The richest states voted Democrat. The poorest states voted Republican.

lasthero said:

For a few reasons. For one, because a dog can’t consent to marriage.

You’re really bringing out the old chesnuts for this, aren’t you? That last one still had dust on it.

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Or my brother or my mom or whoever? And why are you saying my dog can not consent? That's discrimination.

MIDutch said:

For one, biology doesn't require marriage for there to be offspring.

For another, there are lots of families in the world that have two males or two females as the parent groups.

Ergo, your entire post is moot.

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Not biological families. You can not have a natural family with two females or with Adam and Steve.
Ergo, the human race would cease to exist in a homosexual culture.

renniks said:

Probably has to do with age also. He used to be more liberal I believe. Age sometimes brings wisdom, as you start to see the real life implications of some policies, but only if you aren't stuck in your ivory tower.

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Trump has wisdom. That's the most un true thing I recall ever hearing.

renniks said:

Not biological families. You can not have a natural family with two females or with Adam and Steve.
Ergo, the human race would cease to exist in a homosexual culture.

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So.

renniks said:

Or my brother or my mom or whoever?

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Personally, I don't care who people want to marry, so long as they can legally give consent.

I will ask about your bias, though. If you're going to ask me why marrying the same sex means you can't marry your brother, I can ask why marrying an opposite sex partner means you can't marry your brother. There's no real reason this slippery slope has to start with same-sex marriage.

And why are you saying my dog can not consent? That's discrimination.

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Dogs can't comprehend the concept of marriage, therefore they can't give consent to it anymore than a rock can.

If your dog can understand the concept of marriage and you can show that, then I suggest you present this dog to a scientist, not marry it. You could make quite a lot of money.

renniks said:

Not biological families. You can not have a natural family with two females or with Adam and Steve.
Ergo, the human race would cease to exist in a homosexual culture.

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Wow, dude, you're going really deep. Not only are you using the old anti-gay marriage arguments, but you're picking the lame ones.

First off, while the homosexuals can't reproduce, there is this thing called in vitiro fertilization. You don't have to have sex to produce a child. Even if everyone on the planet spontaneously became gay, it wouldn't necessarily mean the human race was doomed.

But this is really dumb argument, because nobody thinks that allowing gay marriage is going to make everyone gay, or even increase the number of actual gay people.

This is a really, really stupid argument, and you should feel bad for even typing it.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

No, I'm not. You are. Take away ours rights. And complain about government trying to tax you.

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Wrong again. The left wants to take the rights away. I am not opposed to taxes of course, but the government is overtaxing.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

The Right tries to limit peoples right. Not the left.

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What rights do you speak of? Not the right to choose any doctor you want.. that the Dems tried to limit. Not the right to bear arms that the Dems tried to limit... and did.

lasthero said:

will ask about your bias, though. If you're going to ask me why marrying the same sex means you can't marry your brother, I can ask why marrying an opposite sex partner means you can't marry your brother. There's no real reason this slippery slope has to start with same-sex marriage.

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Because marriage by definition is a man and woman. If it is anything else, then it loses all meaning. If I can marry my mom, six girls and a siamese twin, what does " marriage" even mean?
No one is stopping " gays" from having whatever union they desire, but it's not a marriage.

lasthero said:

This is a really, really stupid argument, and you should feel bad for even typing it.

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Flaming is illegal you know.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

So.

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Yeah, the human race isn't important...

Bobber said:

What do you think it's a great huge difference if you call their parents that because they support the Republicans?

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the topic was attacks on kids in the educational system who don't fall into line....just like LGBT kids
as for the difference one is about kids begin attacked for who they are and the other is about adults, many of whom actually hold racist views.

renniks said:

Yeah, the human race isn't important...

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There's plenty of people in this world. So gay people don't make a dint . Also they could adopt kids or have a surrogate to help. Buy buy sperm or egg. It's really not your problem.

Soldier of the Cross said:

Wrong. Very wrong.

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who opposed marriage equality?
who fought against the idea that lgbt individuals were covered by the civil rights act?
who opposed anti-bullying campaigns in schools?
who has successfully removed the Diary of Anne Frank from thousands of school libraries and curriculum?

renniks said:

No, marriage is a covenant.
But if you are going to call it nothing but a legal construct, why can't I marry my dog?

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Your dog can read and sign a contract? Neat dog there.

Soldier of the Cross said:

If you believe in God and His Word, you will see that he set up marriage to be between one man and one woman. Not between two males or two females, or any other combination. The Bible condemns homosexuality.

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it also opposes other religions. should marriage only be legal when it is between two Christians?

renniks said:

Not biological families. You can not have a natural family with two females or with Adam and Steve.
Ergo, the human race would cease to exist in a homosexual culture.

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and you can't have a "natural" family when someone is infertile. therefore only people who can prove they can have children be allowed to get married.

renniks said:

What rights do you speak of? Not the right to choose any doctor you want.. that the Dems tried to limit. Not the right to bear arms that the Dems tried to limit... and did.

Because marriage by definition is a man and woman. If it is anything else, then it loses all meaning. If I can marry my mom, six girls and a siamese twin, what does " marriage" even mean?
No one is stopping " gays" from having whatever union they desire, but it's not a marriage.

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and in 1967 those who chose to hate were saying exactly the same thing: "Because marriage by definition is between people of the same race. If it is anything else, then it loses all meaning. If I can marry my mom, six girls and a siamese twin, what does " marriage" even mean?"

renniks said:

What rights do you speak of? Not the right to choose any doctor you want.. that the Dems tried to limit. Not the right to bear arms that the Dems tried to limit... and did.

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I haven't been robbed and could get a gun. And can own guns

Because marriage by definition is a man and woman. If it is anything else, then it loses all meaning. If I can marry my mom, six girls and a siamese twin, what does " marriage" even mean?

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Crazy talk to me. Yawn.

No one is stopping " gays" from having whatever union they desire, but it's not a marriage.

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This is non of your business. And has nothing to with you.

renniks said:

Flaming is illegal you know.

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I'm calling your argument dumb, not you.

I disagree with all the arguments against gay marriage, but some are better than others. That one is the bottom of the barrel - even the staunchest gay marriage opponents don't use it.

renniks said:

If I can marry my mom, six girls and a siamese twin, what does " marriage" even mean?

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The ironic thing is, in certain cultures that sort of thing used to be the norm. Polygamy used to be a thing, and it still is in certain places.

The definition argument against gay marriage is one of the weaker ones, because definitions aren't written in stone, and the definition of marriage has already changed. If it's changed before, there's no reason it can't change again.