Covenant and New Covenant theology

Studyman · Sep 20, 2020

mkgal1 said:
Why are you restricting this to only specific passages?

LOL, You mean "why am I restricting the Prophesies of God I asked about, to only the Books of the Bible from Genesis through Malachi?"

How does this work then mkgal1, does a man have the belief first, then continues to search throughout the world until he can find a phrase or voice which confirms his belief?

So what you are confirming here then, which is the valid point I am making, which is that from Genesis to Malachi there is not ONE Prophesy that foretells of God's Commandments, Statutes, Judgement and Commandments, other than the Priesthood Duties in Jer. 31, becoming obsolete, passing away, being destroyed or made Void. Doesn't that mean something?

So if a man has been convinced by something, that God's Laws have become obsolete, he must GO Elsewhere, outside of the Law and Prophets that the Christ had written for my admonition, to find confirmation of this belief. Because the Law and Prophets teach just the opposite of the doctrine you are furthering here.

OK, So let's say he goes to the New Testament and see if we can find a sentence or phrase which would confirm his belief that God's Laws are become obsolete.

Let's ask Jesus and see if HE provided any Words or Phrases which would confirm the belief that the Messiah came to erase, make obsolete, destroy, or otherwise remove the Instructions God gave in the Holy Scriptures which Paul said are to be used for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. After all, HE should know, Yes?

Does Jesus speak about the Law and Prophets? Yes, He does, in fact, very directly.

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets:

Whoa, what is this? Isn't Jesus saying that I am not to even "THINK" HE, the Messiah, the LAW Giver HIMSELF, came to destroy, remove, take away, or otherwise make Void the Law or the Prophets.

And yet, the very foundation of modern religions of this world, is the teaching that Jesus came to Destroy, remove, make obsolete, and otherwise make void God's Laws, and the words of the Prophets. Are we not warned of this very thing?

Jesus goes on.

I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Ironically the same ministers of righteousness who "THINK" first, and then preach that Jesus came to destroy the Laws, Commandments, Statutes and judgments of God, also preach that EVERY Prophesy about the Messiah has already been fulfilled, therefore the Law has passed.

But this Messiah who was prophesied to die for our sins in Passover, is also Prophesied to "Return" in Feast of Trumpets. Has the Holy Christ returned as Prophesied? No!! So all the Law and Prophets has not yet been fulfilled by the Christ.

So in TRUTH, the same earth HE walked, we walk. The same stars HE walked under, we walk under. And His People on this earth are still awaiting HIS Prophesied Return which has yet to be fulfilled.

So according to the Christ Jesus Himself, "one jot or one tittle has passed from the law".

So it is very clear that the Christ, our Savior, the Creator of ALL Things, who became a Man in the Person of Jesus, continued the teaching of the Law and Prophets, and did not, even once, suggest, imply or otherwise teach that HIS Own Law, HE created as the God of the Old Testament, had passed, become obsolete, or Void, other than the Levitical Priesthood which HE took over and became the unblemished Lamb as Prophesied.

So now we have covered the Holy Scriptures from Genesis to the Beginning of Acts. 43 entire Books of the Bible and still ZERO evidence, not one WORD which implies, suggests, or otherwise teaches that God's Definition of Righteousness and iniquity, Holy and Unholy, Clean and unclean has been changed, altered, removed. or otherwise made obsolete by God, Jesus or any of His Prophets.

I don't think you considered very closely, your accusation that I was "Restricting" my search "to only specific passages".

I will continue on another post because this is important and I don't want to post too long for you to read.

Studyman · Sep 20, 2020

mkgal1 said:
That's what I was pointing out about Paul's letter to the Galatians.

Here-->Covenant and New Covenant theology

And here--->Covenant and New Covenant theology

Circumcision....dietary restrictions....and keeping holy days and feasts are not exclusive to the priesthood.

Continued.

So this man who has been convinced that God's Laws are become obsolete can't find any confirmation in the first 43 Book of the Bible. So he moves on to Paul's teaching to see if Paul can confirm his belief that God's Laws, Commandments, statutes and Judgments are become obsolete, since Jesus certainly didn't. Here are some things Paul said about the Law and Prophets 14 years after the Christ ascended.

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

The Law and Prophets were the only Scriptures available to them, it doesn't seem like Paul has considered them obsolete here.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

It seem Jesus and Paul were on the same page.

Rom. 2:2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Is this not the Same God of his fathers? Are the Judgments of God still applicable to Paul 14 years after the Christ ascended?

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

So Paul is still following the teaching of the Law and Prophets here. God's Laws, Commandments and statutes are not obsolete here?

Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Rom. 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

So it seems to me Paul is teaching the exact same thing Jesus taught. The Laws of God are not obsolete, gone, taken away, destroyed, rather the are the Righteousness of God.

Paul says the Laws of God are good, Holy, and with his mind he serves them.

Rom. 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Who is the Spirit of Life that was in Christ Jesus? Would to God you would humble yourself enough to answer this question. Where do we find HIS LAW?

3 For what the law could not do, (forgive my sins) in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk (Action) not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

So where is the teaching of Paul that God's Laws, Statutes, and Commandments are obsolete, become void, destroyed or taken away?

1 Cor. 7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.

19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

1 Cor. 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

1 Cor. 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

I could go on and on where Paul is upholding, obeying, teaching obedience to the Laws, Commandments, and Statutes of God that HE himself also obeyed.

But then this man finally gets to Galatians.

Gal. 4:7, Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

So can you see what this man has done? He has ignored and omitted all the Holy Scriptures throughout the entire Bible that promote a Godly lifestyle with Godly judgments, and Holy, Good and Just Laws of God, given to us for our sake's no doubt. He has ignored volumes of Paul's own Words describing his relationship and understanding of God's Laws, and this man has chosen a religious philosophy that Paul does not teach, which preaches to the world that God's Laws, Commandments, and Statutes are not Holy, Not Good, Not Just, but are become obsolete because they are weak and Beggarly Elements.

As it turns out, it is this man who has created an entire religion based on "only specific passages", and these passages have been taken out of context.

Even here it should be known that the Beggarly Elements, religious traditions and high days, men observe before they even know God, are not God's Commandments and Laws.

I know this teaching you are promoting is very popular in the religions of the land, a religious path followed by a vast "many".

I am just hoping with all my heart, that you might consider how foolish it seems to believe that Paul went from calling God's Laws Holy, Just and Good, telling us to "keep the Feast", and Keep the Commandments of God, to calling them "Beggarly Elements", and condemning men for following what he himself said to do.

I know this is taught, I used to be seduced by the same doctrines. But when a person closes their mind to the other voice in the garden, and just listens to our Creator, I find we come away with more respect for the Word of God, and less for the religious philosophies of men.

mkgal1 · Sep 20, 2020

Guojing said:
You think its pure coincidence that there is still a country called Israel still with us now, while their great enemies, Assyrians, Babylonians, Romans etc have since gone extinct?

Not coincidence.....but it has nothing to do with what's written in the Bible.

For those interested - this 1hr 20 min documentary is informative:

Studyman · Sep 20, 2020

mkgal1 said:
I wouldn't say Jesus "changed" a covenant. He fulfilled it.

Matthew 5:17 ~ Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose

And what was their purpose, according to the God who created them.

Ex. 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Duet 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?

14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.

15 Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.

16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

mkgal1 · Sep 20, 2020

Guojing said:
Depends on what you meant by unbelievers, so long as animal sacrifices kept being done by the nation Israel during the OT, God accepts the entire nation.

However, an unbeliever can be cut off from the nation in many different ways. If you are cut off, then there goes your salvation, since it was tied to being part of Israel.

There is a reason why Hebrews to Revelations was directed to the nation Israel. You realized that, in those books, salvation was never permanent, which was the feature of what the nation Israel had to deal with.

I agree that the salvation that's referred to wasn't permanent or guaranteed. However....the salvation (in my belief) isn't about "going to the bosom of Abraham" - it's about being in covenant with God.

There was a shift happening during the New Testament period. The old covenant was coming to a destructive end (and did).......that's what Jesus and the apostles were warning people about:

Matthew 12:39 ~ But Jesus replied, “Only an evil, adulterous generation would demand a miraculous sign; but the only sign I will give them is the sign of the prophet Jonah.

Acts 2:40 ~ With many other words he testified, and he urged them, “Be saved from this corrupt generation.”

mkgal1 · Sep 20, 2020

Studyman said:
And what was their purpose, according to the God who created them.

The original Greek word used in Matthew 5:17 is pleroo ("coming to pass"). All of the prophecies given regarding the coming Messiah, His kingdom, and His salvation find their fulfillment in Him. What were shadows in the old testament found their reality in Christ Jesus.

The word pleroo is used in:

Matthew 1:21-23

Matthew 2:15

Matthew 2:17

Matthew 2:23

Matthew 26:56

The Law & Prophets have been fulfilled according to the author of Hebrews:

Hebrews 7:18 ~ For indeed, there is an annulling of the preceding commandment, because of its weakness and uselessness

....and as BABerean2 already posted:

The ultimate fulfillment of Israel is found below in the first verse of the New Testament.

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Mat 1:1
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Progressive Covenantalism and New Covenant Theology - The Gospel Coalition

mkgal1 · Sep 20, 2020

Studyman said:
So it seems to me Paul is teaching the exact same thing Jesus taught. The Laws of God are not obsolete, gone, taken away, destroyed, rather the are the Righteousness of God.

It depends on what you're defining "Laws of God" to mean. These were "Laws of God" in the old testament as Moses had interpreted them:

Leviticus 11:9-12 ~ 'These you may eat of all that are in the water: whatever in the water has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers; that you may eat. 10 'But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you. 11 'They shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination. 12 'Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you.

But then God showed Peter something new:

Acts 10:13-15 ~
Then a voice said to him: “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!”“No, Lord!” Peter answered. “I have never eaten anything impure(d) or unclean.”The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

Studyman said:
I am just hoping with all my heart, that you might consider how foolish it seems to believe that Paul went from calling God's Laws Holy, Just and Good, telling us to "keep the Feast", and Keep the Commandments of God, to calling them "Beggarly Elements", and condemning men for following what he himself said to do.

They are "beggarly" if not viewed through what Jesus accomplished. We were never under the Mosaic Covenant (and no one is now)....and Paul did write that it was foolish for those living in the era of 40 AD to 70 AD to turn back to reliance on external laws:

Galatians 3:1-
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.

V.10 - 14 ~ All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”c Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.”d The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.”e Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”f He redeemed us in order that the blessing promised to Abrahamg would come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

V. 29 ~ And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 4:9-11 ~ But now, having known God, but rather having been known by God, how do you turn again to the weak and destitute principles, to which you desire to be enslaved again anew? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that my efforts for you may have been in vain.

Paul also wrote this ---> "Colossians 2 BSB" Colossians 2 BSB

Studyman · Sep 20, 2020

mkgal1 said:
The original Greek word used in Matthew 5:17 is pleroo ("coming to pass"). All of the prophecies given regarding the coming Messiah, His kingdom, and His salvation find their fulfillment in Him. What were shadows in the old testament found their reality in Christ Jesus.

The word pleroo is used in:

Matthew 1:21-23

Matthew 2:15

Matthew 2:17

Matthew 2:23

Matthew 26:56

The Law & Prophets have been fulfilled according to the author of Hebrews:

Hebrews 7:18 ~ For indeed, there is an annulling of the preceding commandment, because of its weakness and uselessness

What was the Proceeding Commandment? What were they talking about here? Lets let the Hebrew author answer this for us.

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

In what way was the Priesthood Changed? Was it the Blood of atonement? No, Jesus Provided this Blood? Was the administration of God's Laws? No, Jesus is the New Administer of God's Laws?

So what changed? If you had included the next few scriptures, the Hebrews Author would tell you what law changed.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

For the man Jesus to become the High Priest, it was "necessary" to change the Law regarding who could hold the office.

Jesus wasn't from the Tribe that God Separated from the inheritance of Israel, and gave HIS Priesthood too. Had HE been born a Levite, like John the Baptist, there would have been no "Necessity" to change the Law.

But because Jesus was born into the Tribe of Judah, it became "Necessary" to change the Law which required that only a Levite could hold the office of the Priesthood.

It's right there is the verses you didn't post.

The temporary Priesthood, that is, a Priesthood which was to be in force until the Messiah should come, was a carnal Law. It required Levites to appoint other Levites to the Priesthood.

Jesus earned the Priesthood in that He was faithful and obedient to God unto death. This is how the Priest were always supposed to be.

Mal. 2:7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

And for a time Levite priests were.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. (Ex. 32:26)

6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

But unlike Jesus, they were turned away from God by the other voice.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

Jesus, on the other hand, always kept God's Ways, and was never "partial" in the Law.

26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

2 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

You keep moving the bar sir. you post a scripture to prove a religious philosophy, which doesn't prove your religious philosophy. And when I offer up the Scriptures for discussion, you simply move on the another. This is good for me as I am engaged in the honest examination of Scriptures. But not so good for you because you are not engaged, rather, you just move on to another.

I so hope that you might examine the Hebrews chapter you partially quoted and consider what the verses you omitted reveals.

As for the Christ having already Fulfilled all that was written and prophesied of Him, this is another falsehood if the Word of God is our guide. Yes, this teaching that Jesus fulfilled everything on Calvery is a very popular teaching, and there are "many" who follow the path which preaches this religious philosophy.

But Jesus teaches just the opposite.

Matt. 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; (Transgress the Commandments "many" preach are obsolete)

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

This event is yet to come, Prophesied in the Feast of Trumpets and other places as well.

This is one of the Shadows Paul said not to let religious man judge His People for observing in Col. 2.

Paul said they are shadows of "Things Yet to be fulfilled". This was many years after Jesus ascended. So the popular preaching that the Christ already "Fulfilled" ALL THINGS, is another of the many Prophesied falsehoods given by the "other voice" in the Garden.

Jesus has Fulfilled some of the Prophesies about Him, like Him becoming the High Priest, and shedding HIS Own Blood to atone for the transgressions of God's Laws. This was shown in the Shadow of Passover.

But Passover is just the beginning of the Salvation of the God of the Bible, not the end as "many" religious philosophers teach.

I hope you might reconsider the teaching of Hebrews 7, and examine all the words spoken there, instead of just one verse.

May the Word of God, which is Spirit and Life, lead us both to all His Truth, and "bring us out" of the Yoke of bondage of deception and falsehoods.

mkgal1 · Sep 20, 2020

Studyman said:
You keep moving the bar sir.

I'm not a "sir".....nor am I'm moving any bar.

The Levitical priesthood cannot be separated from the Mosaic Covenant. Look at Hebrews 7:11.....the parenthetical statement...."for under it the people received the Law". The Law and priesthood cannot be divorced from one another. This was the former ministry of reconciliation UNTIL Christ Jesus' perfect ministry came.

mkgal1 · Sep 20, 2020

Studyman said:
May the Word of God, which is Spirit and Life, lead us both to all His Truth, and "bring us out" of the Yoke of bondage of deception and falsehoods.

Amen

mkgal1 · Sep 20, 2020

Studyman said:
Paul said they are shadows of "Things Yet to be fulfilled". This was many years after Jesus ascended. So the popular preaching that the Christ already "Fulfilled" ALL THINGS, is another of the many Prophesied falsehoods given by the "other voice" in the Garden.

Studyman said:
But Passover is just the beginning of the Salvation of the God of the Bible, not the end as "many" religious philosophers teach.

I agree that Passover was just the beginning. Just as the first Passover began a 40 year exodus.....so also did the Passover in 30 AD - where Jesus as the fulfillment of the Passover Lamb - begin another 40 year exodus.

mkgal1 · Sep 20, 2020

Studyman said:
As for the Christ having already Fulfilled all that was written and prophesied of Him, this is another falsehood if the Word of God is our guide. Yes, this teaching that Jesus fulfilled everything on Calvery is a very popular teaching, and there are "many" who follow the path which preaches this religious philosophy.

I actually don't believe Jesus fulfilled everything at Calvary. I'm in agreement with you that Passover was just the beginning. Pentecost was fulfilled on time.....50 days after Passover (Acts 2).....then, I believe, there was the 40 year exodus that the old testament foreshadowed.

mkgal1 · Sep 20, 2020

Guojing said:
Israel to me refers to the nation Israel, I don't follow your method of separating true Israel from fake Israel.

I'm just sort of earmarking this for later, when I have more time to respond properly.

mkgal1 · Sep 20, 2020

Studyman said:
What was the Proceeding Commandment?

Hebrews is not referring to one commandment. The Mosaic Law was one unit. Paul wrote the purpose of the Law (as a unit):

Galatians 3:24-26 ~ Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Studyman · Sep 20, 2020

mkgal1 said:
It depends on what you're defining "Laws of God" to mean. These were "Laws of God" in the old testament as Moses had interpreted them:

Leviticus 11:9-12 ~ 'These you may eat of all that are in the water: whatever in the water has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers; that you may eat. 10 'But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you. 11 'They shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination. 12 'Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you.

But then God showed Peter something new:

Acts 10:13-15 ~
Then a voice said to him: “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!”“No, Lord!” Peter answered. “I have never eaten anything impure(d) or unclean.”The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

Again, if you were to consider all the Holy Scriptures regarding God's creation of Clean and unclean, you wouldn't single out this verse out to promote the religious philosophy of men.

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Can you please provide me with ONE Scripture, in the entire Bible, ONE Prophesy EVER Recorded, in which the Christ, either as the Law Giver of the OT, or when HE became the man Jesus, where He reverses His Creation of Clean and unclean animals? Just ONE place where the God of the Bible made Pork clean. Of course you can't, because it doesn't exist but in the religious philosophy of men. But there are all manner of Scriptures which show God making men clean, both Jews and Gentiles.

Again

Mark 5:8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.

9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.

11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.

12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.

Have you ever asked yourself why these unclean spirits wanted to go into Swine? And have you ever even contemplated why Jesus would grant their wishes? Of course Jesus would never cast unclean spirits into sheep or goats. They are clean animals for food, would the Christ contaminate Food by sending evil spirits on to it?

13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.

Why do those who preach God's Laws are obsolete, never bring this Scripture up?

Matt. 15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

The Christ created Righteousness, Clean, Holy and Justice. You are free to judge God's Laws as you please, choosing to believe some of His Word's, and not believe others. The Mainstream Preachers of Jesus time did the exact same thing and justified their religion by quoted select verses from God.

But Jesus didn't do this, and neither did Peter.

Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

And what does Moses teach?

45 For I am the LORD (Word of God which became Flesh) that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:

47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

And Peter said "What God has Cleansed"

2 cor. 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

So in your religious philosophy, what God should I let define what is Clean and Holy, and what is unclean and unholy?

Is there any other God?

jgr · Sep 20, 2020

Studyman said:
As for the Christ having already Fulfilled all that was written and prophesied of Him, this is another falsehood if the Word of God is our guide.

What does this mean?

Luke 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures.

mkgal1 · Sep 20, 2020

Studyman said:
The temporary Priesthood, that is, a Priesthood which was to be in force until the Messiah should come, was a carnal Law. It required Levites to appoint other Levites to the Priesthood.

I'm not sure what you mean by "carnal law"....and I think there's a lot more nuance to this one issue. Originally.....humanity was to be a kingdom of priests....not just one select group for His service. Peter said that was fulfilled in the early church:

1 Peter 2:9 ~
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

I do see that some things were abolished (and that's what's related to the Mosaic Covenant priesthood and former system of reconciliation). There are passages that use the word katargeo that translates to "abolish". Paul wrote:

Ephesians 2:15
...by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace

mkgal1 · Sep 20, 2020

Studyman said:
Can you please provide me with ONE Scripture, in the entire Bible, ONE Prophesy EVER Recorded, in which the Christ, either as the Law Giver of the OT, or when HE became the man Jesus, where He reverses His Creation of Clean and unclean animals

God used the vision of unclean animals (based on Leviticus) - while the meal was being prepared - and told Peter to "kill and eat". Unclean/clean refers to both dietary laws and Gentiles.....as Peter and Paul both understood. It's another example of shadows in the old testament becoming their reality in the new testament:

Acts 10:9-15

9The next day at about the sixth hour,c as the men were approaching the city on their journey, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.11He saw heaven open and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals and reptiles of the earth, as well as birds of the air. 13Then a voice said to him: “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!”14“No, Lord!” Peter answered. “I have never eaten anything impure(d) or unclean.”15The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

"Romans 14 NIV" Romans 14 NIV

Galatians 4:21-31

Studyman · Sep 20, 2020

mkgal1 said:
They are "beggarly" if not viewed through what Jesus accomplished. We were never under the Mosaic Covenant (and no one is now)....and Paul did write that it was foolish for those living in the era of 40 AD to 70 AD to turn back to reliance on external laws:

Where do you get this stuff? I have never said we are under the atonement laws given on Mt. Sinai.

Gal. 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

What service is this mkgal1? Who were the gods here that are "No gods" that they served mkgal1? Are you saying these men in question are serving the God of the Bibles Commandments?, His Sabbaths? His Laws, before they even knew HIM?

mkgal1 · Sep 20, 2020

Studyman said:
Where do you get this stuff? I have never said we are under the atonement laws given on Mt. Sinai.

Gal. 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

What service is this mkgal1? Who were the gods here that are "No gods" that they served mkgal1? Are you saying these men in question are serving the God of the Bibles Commandments?, His Sabbaths? His Laws, before they even knew HIM?

The Galatians weren't turning back to their former ways.....it was the Judaizers (not pagan gods) that were influencing them when Paul was writing to them.

Galatians 2
1Fourteen years later I went up again to Jerusalem, accompanied by Barnabas. I took Titus along also. 2I went in response to a revelation and set before them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. But I spoke privately to those recognized as leaders, for fear that I was running or had already run in vain. 3Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek.4This issue arose because some false brothers had come in under false pretenses to spy on our freedom in Christ Jesus, in order to enslave us

Galatians 2:14
When I saw that they were not walking in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “If you, who are a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?”

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