The Resurrection of Jesus

Saint Steven said:

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Ed Parenteau said:

You're making assertions that are not stated in scripture. "bodily resurrection which was permanent"
"into heaven bodily( a human body with real flesh and bones)"
He was in a body that was "flesh and bones" because He had shed his blood. Do you really believe that the exact same body that hadn't seen decay was now raised from the dead, beaten so badly it was now unrecognizable is His "glorious body"? Are you thinking you're going to get one just like it? The problem is, there is a whole other side of the biblical story that you didn't mention.

Here are some verses that describe the upcoming death and resurrection of Jesus
John 14: 18“I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19“After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also. 20“In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21“He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose(manifest) Myself to him.” 22Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose(manifest) Yourself to us and not to the world?” 23Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24“He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.

John 16: 16“A little while, and you will no longer see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me.” 17Some of His disciples then said to one another, “What is this thing He is telling us, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me’; and, ‘because I go to the Father’?” 18So they were saying, “What is this that He says, ‘A little while’? We do not know what He is talking about.” 19Jesus knew that they wished to question Him, and He said to them, “Are you deliberating together about this, that I said, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me, and again a little while, and you will see Me’? 20“Truly, truly, I say to you, that you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice; you will grieve, but your grief will be turned into joy. 21“Whenever a woman is in labor she has pain, because her hour has come; but when she gives birth to the child, she no longer remembers the anguish because of the joy that a child has been born into the world. 22“Therefore you too have grief now; but I will see you again, and your heart will rejoice, and no one will take your joy away from you.

Now notice how this is fulfilled in Acts 10:
40“God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible(manifest), 41not to all the people, but to witnesses who were chosen beforehand by God, that is, to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead.

So, therefore at the ascension we can now state this: He was taken up in a body the world would no longer see.

Here is a clear picture of the ascended Christ.
1 Timothy 6: 14that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

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Ed Parenteau said:

Where did I object to His resurrection? I objected to your added word "permanent". I even underlined it.

So, harmonize your view of the physical permanency of Christ with the following:

2 Corinthians 4:18 while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

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Ed Parenteau said:

Now you teach that Jesus Christ has always been a physical man(same yesterday today and forever-right?) He has always been the Savior, but He hasn't always been a man.
How convenient that you should leave out the next verse which is the second half of the sentence. 6who gave Himself as a ransom for all— the testimony that was given at just the right time.
So we end up with "the man Christ Jesus who gave(past tense)Himself as a ransom for all--Apparently you have Him continually giving Himself as a ransom and therefore continually dying.
I guess the phrase "in the days of His flesh" has no meaning to you. Is that why you haven't even tried to respond to any of the scripture I presented? Here's some more. John 17: 5“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

What was Jesus Christ here? 1 Peter 3: 18For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,

And what kind of man was He when He was a "spiritual rock"? 1 Corinthians 10:2and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3and all ate the same spiritual food; 4and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.
When Peter said they saw His Majesty, he wasn't talking about the resurrection, but the vision of the second coming they saw at the transfiguration.

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Ed Parenteau said:

Where did I object to His resurrection? I objected to your added word "permanent". I even underlined it.

So, harmonize your view of the physical permanency of Christ with the following:

2 Corinthians 4:18 while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

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Ed Parenteau said:

Why did you write an OP if you didn't want to have a discussion?

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Ed Parenteau said:

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
yesterday.
Of uncertain derivation; "yesterday"; by extension, in time past or hitherto -- yesterday.
You want to know what yesterday meant here you are.

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Ed Parenteau said:

I have never denied Christ's Physical resurrection and if you would have read my first post you would not have even questioned me about it. What it doesn't mean is that flesh is eternal. If it is prove it.

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Saint Steven said:

Why so dismissive? Is your opinion the only one that counts? Why shut down the discussion? Are you afraid to lose an argument?

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