Protestantism has done more harm than good.

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That's a common superstition,but it's wrong. See above. There's a lot more documentation of the Church encouraging Bible reading. Would you like to see some more?
If that's actually true, why did the catholic church murder William Tyndale after 12 years of hunting him down? He was translating the Bible to English so regular people could read it. The catholics killed him for that very thing. They strangled him, hanged him, and blew up his body. Doesn't sound like the catholic church wanted lay people to be able to read.

Not everyone could read. And not everyone had access to their own Bible.

I for one am thankful William Tyndale defied the pope so we could have the English Bible.
 
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If that's actually true, why did the catholic church murder William Tyndale after 12 years of hunting him down? He was translating the Bible to English so regular people could read it. The catholics killed him for that very thing. They strangled him, hanged him, and blew up his body. Doesn't sound like the catholic church wanted lay people to be able to read.

Not everyone could read. And not everyone had access to their own Bible.

I for one am thankful William Tyndale defied the pope so we could have the English Bible.
Tyndale’s Heresy

Also there's accounts of Protestants murdering Catholics: Fidelis of Sigmaringen - Wikipedia
 
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God judges by the heart, which He, alone, knows with certainty. I seek to obey, to the best I can, the Greatest Commandments-and to remain near to the One who can help me fulfill them. And I believe, that had I not heard the gospel and learned of God's will I would not obey them to the degree I do now, even as that obedience is still a struggle, sometimes a great one at times. And the Church rightly teaches, IMO, quoting a 16th century believer in this case, "At the evening of life we shall be judged on our love."

We're to do the best we can with whatever we're given; the Parable of the Talents tells us that this can be different for each but at the end of the day God knows how much is enough and how much not enough. Faith his not a get-out-of-hell-free-card as long as we believe. Faith is not the equivalent of righteousness in God's eyes nor is it a license to be free from the obligation for man to be righteous. So, you have your marching orders. Seek the obedience, the holiness, the perfection, the love that comes by seeking, and coming to know, God. Then, yes, we've already exceeded the righteousness of the Pharisees and teachers of the law.
No, When it comes to the law, God judges by results. "If you fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his commands, the Lord will set you high above all nations on earth (Deuteronomy 28:1)." Later, it says, "However, if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you (Deuteronomy 28:15)." Your best effort is not good enough. God is not grading on a curve. My marching orders are to rest in the obedience of Jesus Christ on my behalf. You are being disobedient to God. This is what the author of Hebrews said, "Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience (Hebrews 4:11)." You are following the disobedient example of the Jews with your half-hearted attempts at obeying the law. When you stand before God are you going to say, "I did the best I could" to enter heaven? Paul has your answer. "For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh though I myself has reasons for such confidence if someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more. Circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of The Tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews, in regard to the law, a Pharisee, as for Zeal, persecuting the church, as for righteousness based on the law, faultless. But whatever gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ (Philippians 3:3-7)." Are you better than Paul in your obedience to the law? Because if you are, it still won't enough. Stop putting confidence in your flesh.
 
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Prayer beads are a very popular pagan practice. Putting a christian facade on it doesn't make it a Christian practice.
Calling it a Christian facade doesn't make it a facade. He made several good points in the video especially talking about how repetitious the Psalms can be. Also how the Pope condemned using the Rosary in a vain way.

Just because Pagans do something doesn't make it wrong anyway.
 
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If that's actually true, why did the catholic church murder William Tyndale after 12 years of hunting him down? He was translating the Bible to English so regular people could read it. The catholics killed him for that very thing. They strangled him, hanged him, and blew up his body. Doesn't sound like the catholic church wanted lay people to be able to read.

Possibly because he deleted parts of the Bible that didn't agree with him. As you now see, the Catholic Church had published an English Bible before Luther published a German one.

Supposedly, he cut out even more than Luther did.

But since there wasn't at that time, an official canon, other than Jewish and early Christian tradition,that became a serious issue.
 
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What Tyndale did was not heresy. It was a blessing to the world.

The roman catholic organization is no authority to christianity and gets no say in who gets to read and interpret the Bible.

Yes there were killings by protestants. But the catholic church is guilty of some of the most horrible executions and murders of Christians. And simply because they disagreed with the idolatry and corruption of the catholic church.
 
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No, When it comes to the law, God judges by results. "If you fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his commands, the Lord will set you high above all nations on earth (Deuteronomy 28:1)." Later, it says, "However, if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you (Deuteronomy 28:15)."
That's to be "under the law", old covenant, not under grace.
Your best effort is not good enough.
Exactly-only with God can we hope to be who we were created to be. Adam, incidentally, missed that point.
God is not grading on a curve. My marching orders are to rest in the obedience of Jesus Christ on my behalf. You are being disobedient to God. This is what the author of Hebrews said, "Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience (Hebrews 4:11)." You are following the disobedient example of the Jews with your half-hearted attempts at obeying the law. When you stand before God are you going to say, "I did the best I could" to enter heaven? Paul has your answer. "For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh though I myself has reasons for such confidence if someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more. Circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of The Tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews, in regard to the law, a Pharisee, as for Zeal, persecuting the church, as for righteousness based on the law, faultless. But whatever gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ (Philippians 3:3-7)." Are you better than Paul in your obedience to the law? Because if you are, it still won't enough. Stop putting confidence in your flesh.
The Law is holy, righteousness, good, and spiritual (Rom 7), but we're not spiritual, to begin with, as fallen beings. Which is why we need the Spirit in order to fulfill the law. "Apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5). So we're judged by the Law which cannot justify us (Rom 2:13). And the only way that the law is truly fulfilled is to the extent that we love, God and neighbor, because love excludes sin and fulfills the law by its nature. And the only way to "appropriate" this love is by fellowship with its Source and this relationship is entered into via faith. This means to know God, directly, personally, a relationship which begins now but is only full consummated in the next life (1 Cor 13:12). This is the knowledge spoken of in Jer 31:34 and this is why Jesus came, to reveal the true face of God so that we may know Him, and by knowing Him we may believe in Him, and by knowing and believing we may come to hope/trust in and, ultimately and most importantly, to love Him. Then our justice or righteousness would be complete. To truly come to know God is to love Him.
"Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." John 17:3
Are you better than Paul in your obedience to the law? Because if you are, it still won't enough. Stop putting confidence in your flesh.
I don't. I put my faith in the Spirit, Whom I must cooperate with. So Like Paul I can say,

"I consider them [past deeds as a Pharisee] garbage, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.

Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus." Phil 3:8-14
 
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Essentially I'm wondering if hundreds of denominations, with dozens of versions of the Bible, has resulted in confusion and (in response) apostacy; whether into heretical denominations or fully out of any semblance of the Church whatsoever.

People keep telling me that scripture is protected but it cannot be protected when there are literally dozens of different versions of the Bible. Of course, they claim that their favourite one is the special version, but heck they can't all be right can they...

So I'm calling out Protestantism as doing more harm than good because it makes a chaos and confusion of matters that shatters the Church and drives people away.

What say you all?
Yes, I hear you. And I agree.

It’s too chaotic. If Sola Scriptura worked, we wouldn’t see what we see.

But differentiating between individual Protestants and the movement / assumptions of Protestant theology helps, I think. I still see Protestants as fellow Christians first. And dialoguing with people from that view point seems to work better than anything else.

But your points are valid, and something that I have definitely noticed , too.
 
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It's VAIN repetitions that are condemned there.

.. all repetitive prayers are vain. Read the rest of that verse
for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

People repeat the same prayer thinking that the repetitions make them heard. Jesus said
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Then He gives the Lord's prayer, no repetitive requests, full of adoration of God.
 
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Yes, I hear you. And I agree.

It’s too chaotic. If Sola Scriptura worked, we wouldn’t see what we see.
I'm sorry to see, after all the explanations about this have that have been posted, that we have here one more misunderstanding about what Sola Scriptura means. :(
 
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If that's actually true, why did the catholic church murder William Tyndale after 12 years of hunting him down? He was translating the Bible to English so regular people could read it. The catholics killed him for that very thing. They strangled him, hanged him, and blew up his body. Doesn't sound like the catholic church wanted lay people to be able to read.

Not everyone could read. And not everyone had access to their own Bible.

I for one am thankful William Tyndale defied the pope so we could have the English Bible.
Same Tyndale as this? William Tyndale - Wikipedia
 
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People keep telling me that scripture is protected but it cannot be protected when there are literally dozens of different versions of the Bible. Of course, they claim that their favourite one is the special version, but heck they can't all be right can they...
Look at it this way though.

Despite all their differences, every single Christian who ever existed, and exists today, and will exist tomorrow, believes: IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.

So if differences turn people away, what do the similarities do?
 
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I agree to some degree.

Thousands of individual denominations, each with their own unique view/interpretation of what scripture is saying. All like little rudderless boats wandering aimlessly in a vast ocean. Not knowing where they are going.
As long as they have their Life Preserver!

Or, more appropriately, their Life Preserver has them!
 
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What Tyndale did was not heresy. It was a blessing to the world.

It was just non-orthodox. There's a lot of that. Protestant princes killed Catholics and Catholic princes killed Protestants. That's how it went. This is why our founders made sure that there is a wall of separation between church and state.

The roman catholic organization is no authority to christianity and gets no say in who gets to read and interpret the Bible.

The Church opposes any restriction on freedom of religion. To be fair, almost all Protestant denominations do also. And of course Eastern Orthodox Churches universally endorse freedom of religion, AFAIK.

Yes there were killings by protestants.

They tortured and burned dissenters, even people like Calvin and Luther were guilty of those brutal killings. But Catholic leaders were no better in many cases. Both sides committed horrible acts of violence and brutality.

Neither side should go to the front of the Church and say "thank you God for not making me like other men, who are sinners."

But some will do that anyway.
 
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