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You know YEC’s are not serious when their stories start making sense.
I have seen it happen occasionally.
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Teaching of creationism in US public school science classes has dropped over past 12 years
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You know YEC’s are not serious when their stories start making sense.
I have seen it happen occasionally.
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If "I'm not a YEC" doesn't make sense to you ... you must be a college graduate or something.
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Yes you are as you think god created everything some 6k years ago.
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I'll admit, I did say this at one time:
First of all, I wouldn't teach Intelligent Design, per se.
My class would be called Biblical Earth Creation.
My teachings would include:
What was created on what day, as conveyed to us in Genesis 1.
How this differs with the order as conveyed to us in Evolution.
The Anthropic Principle
The Water Canopy, Gap, and Day-Age theories.
Literal interpretation vs allegorical interpretation.
How to spot doctrine in the Poetical books.
The 4 Laws of Thermodynamics
The 4 Physical Forces of the Universe.
What "kinds" are in Genesis 1.
How to read the plan of salvation in the constellations, and knowing which constellation should come first, and why.
What the Star of Bethlehem was, and the significance of the Sun going dark the day Jesus was Crucified.
The subliminal portrayals of Jesus' deity in the Old Testament.
How a 2nd and 3rd dimensions of time could easily explain such things as how prophecy works, and how one day with the Lord can be 1000 years on earth, and how God can hear the prayers of David and myself at the same time, etc.
et. al.
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I wasn't aware the 4 Physical Forces of the universe didn't have a "shred of real, objective, tangible empirical evidence" behind them.
I always thought gravity, electromagnetism, strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force were real.
Ditto for the 4 Laws of Thermodynamics I mentioned.
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Well if you don't know how to become 'aware', then what qualifies you to teach?
.. not saying much there, as 'real' has always been a pretty big challenge for ye(?)AV1611VET said:
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According to Genesis 1, creation was by divine fiat. Therefore, even if it happened that way, it would, almost by definition, not be something science could say anything about. And so it would belong not in the science classroom, but in the theology classroom.
Creationists pay a backhanded compliment to science, in trying to ram into the science classroom something which doesn’t belong there.
Creationists pay a backhanded compliment to science, in trying to ram into the science classroom something which doesn’t belong there.
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I totally agree with your post here, but for one exception:
Creationism belongs in history class, not theology class.
Your last sentence is right on the money!
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You only say that because you don't (or won't) distinguish beliefs.
History is about separating fact from fictional human beliefs.
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History is the study of things that mankind did. You know, us not-so-hairy apes. We did not create the universe. We did create the Bible, and your deity. So in a way we created the entire thing you believe as "creationism." But that doesn't make it History.
We study the creation of the universe in science classes. But it wasn't created by a being.
In other words, there is nothing you can contribute to this but a quaint old fictional myth. Nobody is going to teach that myth in a history class. Nobody.
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I think its fair to say that there's no doubt that religious beliefs have shaped civilisations as far back in human history as we can verify though. During the eras where religious beliefs were revered as being virtuous, those beliefs created reality for those civilisations (there's plenty of hard evidence supporting that).
What I think might be the history lesson emerging from all of that, is a notion of caution about the obvious pitfalls associated with the inherent diviseness (or exclusionism) which intrinsically comes with every religion.
Nowadays, western secular societies are close to the point of taking the next step and becoming sufficiently courageous as to actively discourage indulgence in beliefs, (IMO) .. which leads the way to a much brighter future in understanding how it has always been us humans who were actually the cause in creating our own reality .. which is a much more mature and responsible outlook, I think.
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