Protestantism has done more harm than good.

RushMAN · Sep 18, 2020

Inkfingers said:
So I'm calling out Protestantism as doing more harm than good because it makes a chaos and confusion of matters that shatters the Church and drives people away.

What say you all?

I agree

Chris V++ · Sep 18, 2020

Michael Collum said:
prophetic reoccurence

I've never heard this phrase before. Is it possible Christian denominationalism parallels God dividing Israel and Judah and for similar reasons. Didn't Israel insist on a king against God's wishes? Likewise the early Christians insisted on a monarchy of sorts. I brought this up once before on this forum and the response was something like "Christians were never supposed to be divided. '

bekkilyn · Sep 18, 2020

RaymondG said:
What do you think about 5,000? Multitudes of 5k and more followed Jesus to hear is words. There were some to sat outside looking, with disdain, at the crowd.....they too, found fault in it.....but I would not want to be counted in the number of those that were outside.

It is folly to believe that God can only move small gatherings.

How about God being able to move a variety of different sizes of gatherings, from the two or three who have gathered in his name to the 5000+ revival crowd across the way? It's not an either/or, but a both/and.

rockytopva · Sep 18, 2020

The problems arise when we are not wholly Christs, in which applies, I believe, to the entire Gentile church.

Norbert L · Sep 18, 2020

Inkfingers said:
What say you all?

You haven't explained the rather plain and in your face scriptural clues that explains the last 2k years of Christianity. Be it Protestant, Catholic or Jim Jones. It's right there in the Bible.

doctorwho29 · Sep 18, 2020

I don't like all of the varoious denominations but we need something better than Catholicism. It's not a good denomination, it's full of unbiblical junk like praying to (or through) Saints and Mary, transubstantiation, working for salvation, and so on.

GraceBro · Sep 18, 2020

Inkfingers said:
Essentially I'm wondering if hundreds of denominations, with dozens of versions of the Bible, has resulted in confusion and (in response) apostacy; whether into heretical denominations or fully out of any semblance of the Church whatsoever.

People keep telling me that scripture is protected but it cannot be protected when there are literally dozens of different versions of the Bible. Of course, they claim that their favourite one is the special version, but heck they can't all be right can they...

So I'm calling out Protestantism as doing more harm than good because it makes a chaos and confusion of matters that shatters the Church and drives people away.

What say you all?

Actually, the fact that the church is so spread out with all these different denominations is a good thing. The body of Christ is an organism rather than an organization. Having so many denominations has spread out the individual believers so God can go into all the world and reach them with the Gospel. While the individual denominations may be a mess and the reality that they are filled with many unbelievers is concerning, it is better than having one organization everybody belongs to where the organization becomes the focus and not reaching a lost and hurting world with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jamdoc · Sep 18, 2020

Inkfingers said:
Essentially I'm wondering if hundreds of denominations, with dozens of versions of the Bible, has resulted in confusion and (in response) apostacy; whether into heretical denominations or fully out of any semblance of the Church whatsoever.

People keep telling me that scripture is protected but it cannot be protected when there are literally dozens of different versions of the Bible. Of course, they claim that their favourite one is the special version, but heck they can't all be right can they...

So I'm calling out Protestantism as doing more harm than good because it makes a chaos and confusion of matters that shatters the Church and drives people away.

What say you all?

The Roman Empire was more damaging to the church by far. The doctrines and traditions of the Catholic Church were warped by paganism injected into it, when it became the Roman Catholic Church

Saint Steven · Sep 18, 2020

GraceBro said:
Actually, the fact that the church is so spread out with all these different denominations is a good thing. The body of Christ is an organism rather than an organization.

Well said. We need unity (acceptance of one another) within our vast diversity. It should be celebrated, not berated.

RushMAN · Sep 18, 2020

doctorwho29 said:
I don't like all of the varoious denominations but we need something better than Catholicism. It's not a good denomination, it's full of unbiblical junk like praying to (or through) Saints and Mary, transubstantiation, working for salvation, and so on.

No it's not. There is nothing in the Bible that says w can not ask other for prayers, further Saints are not dead like many of you protestants think. In fact in Glory Saints are much more alive than us. Transubstantiation is a method to describe what happens to the elements of the Eucharist, Christ himself said "This is my body, this is my blood" not a symbol. A good chuck of Christianity believes in Christ Real Presence in the elements of bread and wine. Catholics do not believe in Salvation by works, that is a lie that was started by people. Catholics believe Salvation comes by Grace through Faith but not Faith alone.

GraceBro · Sep 18, 2020

Saint Steven said:
Well said. We need unity (acceptance of one another) within our vast diversity. It should be celebrated, not berated.

As long as we are unifying with the truth in mind. I don't see that happening. That is why God works on the individual, in my opinion, instead of the institution. There are no Catholics or Protestants in heaven. Only born again Christians. They may have belonged to the churches that fell under these titles, but that is not what saves them as you know.

Saint Steven · Sep 18, 2020

GraceBro said:
As long as we are unifying with the truth in mind. I don't see that happening.

Right. There is no consensus on "the truth". It seems Pilot asked the right question. "What is truth?" And Jesus gave the right answer.

GraceBro · Sep 18, 2020

Saint Steven said:
Right. There is no consensus on "the truth." It seems Pilot asked the right question. "What is truth?" And Jesus gave the right answer.

True, there is no consensus. But, thankfully, there is truth, and God reveals it to us. Faith is our response to it.

Der Alte · Sep 18, 2020

Jamdoc said:
The Roman Empire was more damaging to the church by far. The doctrines and traditions of the Catholic Church were warped by paganism injected into it, when it became the Roman Catholic Church

Nonsense. Similarity does not equal derivation. If all this paganism was being injected into the church where were all the loyal Christians fighting, objecting etc? Certainly the entire church throughout several countries did not suddenly decide to accept paganism. If I recall correctly many Christians were martyred because they would not bow down to pagan deities. e.g. Polycarp a student of John and Justin Martyr.
And OBTW when did the church become the Roman Catholic Church? Who was the first bishop who declared that Rome was the head of the church?
I know the answer.

friend of · Sep 18, 2020

Without protestanism you wouldn't be allowed to read your bible

Jamdoc · Sep 18, 2020

Der Alte said:
Nonsense. Similarity does not equal derivation. If all this paganism was being injected into the church where were all the loyal Christians fighting, objecting etc? Certainly the entire church throughout several countries did not suddenly decide to accept paganism. If I recall correctly many Christians were martyred because they would not bow down to pagan deities. e.g. Polycarp a student of John and Justin Martyr.
And OBTW when did the church become the Roman Catholic Church? Who was the first bishop who declared that Rome was the head of the church?
I know the answer.

I'm talking about when Constantine made the church the official religion of the Roman empire.

Gregory Thompson · Sep 18, 2020

Chris V++ said:
I've never heard this phrase before. Is it possible Christian denominationalism parallels God dividing Israel and Judah and for similar reasons. Didn't Israel insist on a king against God's wishes? Likewise the early Christians insisted on a monarchy of sorts. I brought this up once before on this forum and the response was something like "Christians were never supposed to be divided. '

Yeah, in a similar way - Popes were appointed against God's wishes. etc.

Aussie Pete · Sep 18, 2020

klutedavid said:
The RC's were around for a thousand years before Protestants arrived on the scene. Both sects have form as far as criminal behavior is concerned.

A slight exaggeration. The church is around 2,000 years old. Roman Catholicism was not a thing until roughly AD300. I agree that great evils have been done by both RC and protestant. My point is that to pick on protestants alone is simply wrong.

I hate denominationalism. God does not have an entrance exam to heaven. He is not going to ask you what you believe. He looks to see who you are. Are you in Christ or not? That is the only criteria. If you are not in Christ, your doctorate of divinity be it Catholic or Baptacostal is not going to save you. If you are in Christ, then you need no letters after your new name. You are welcome, even if your doctrines don't tick every box. I have a friend who is a staunch catholic. She is definitely born again. I don't agree with all her beliefs, but I accept her as my sister in Christ. I know other people who have theological degrees that have not one iota of the reality of Christ in their lives. I can't have fellowship, even though they are doctrinally sound.

Sketcher · Sep 18, 2020

Inkfingers said:
Essentially I'm wondering if hundreds of denominations, with dozens of versions of the Bible, has resulted in confusion and (in response) apostacy; whether into heretical denominations or fully out of any semblance of the Church whatsoever.

People keep telling me that scripture is protected but it cannot be protected when there are literally dozens of different versions of the Bible. Of course, they claim that their favourite one is the special version, but heck they can't all be right can they...

That's a theology issue more than a translation issue. The popular translations that I know about are mostly close together. What you need to look at are the biases of certain schools of thought. Translations are relatively insignificant next to them.

Inkfingers said:
So I'm calling out Protestantism as doing more harm than good because it makes a chaos and confusion of matters that shatters the Church and drives people away.

What say you all?

There were schisms in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches well before Protestantism came about. And there were further schisms afterward that didn't really have anything to do with Protestantism (look up the Old Believers in Russia, for instance). Some of these had major geopolitical implications.

doctorwho29 · Sep 19, 2020

RushMAN said:
No it's not. There is nothing in the Bible that says w can not ask other for prayers, further Saints are not dead like many of you protestants think. In fact in Glory Saints are much more alive than us. Transubstantiation is a method to describe what happens to the elements of the Eucharist, Christ himself said "This is my body, this is my blood" not a symbol. A good chuck of Christianity believes in Christ Real Presence in the elements of bread and wine. Catholics do not believe in Salvation by works, that is a lie that was started by people. Catholics believe Salvation comes by Grace through Faith but not Faith alone.

And what of Saul trying to talk to Samuel? That was a huge sin. And yeah we can ask for prayers from others but others still living. I'm not saying saints aren't having the times of their lives in Heaven but their work is done. "Well done good and faithful servant."

As for Bread and Wine, I see zero reason to believe that it is anything but that. Jesus used parables and metaphor ALL the time. Why not here? Why is this the big exception? Catholics have tried to explain but never successfully and they never will.

Not works eh? Then way are the Sacraments held in such high esteem? Why is baptism required to go to Heaven?

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