Language ...

honey badger · Sep 18, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Yes, It is.

It is the 1611 KJB, fifth edition.

As Gail Riplinger put it:

God created a gem in 1611, then polished it over time to a high gloss.

(Something like that.)

I have a digitally remastered 1611 KJB, first edition; but I use the fifth edition.

well the fifth edition KJV still has errors as do all the translations, but i do not wish to debate this as it is not what the thread speaks to ....

honey badger · Sep 18, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Um ... okay.

And the language of Spaniards and the mind of Hernando Cortez are one and the same.

one must have the mind of Christ to understand the language of God ....

AV1611VET · Sep 18, 2020

Mark Quayle said:
I mean you no insult, but except where Scripture proscribes it, applying math at one's own discretion to spiritual matters is faulty at best, and dangerous at worst. It smacks of divination and witchcraft.

Who's applying math to anything?

Mark Quayle said:
As for the logic of your method, what makes English so special?

It's God's choice for His final Translation.

When Jacobean English was interrupted (taken away) at the tower of Babel, it was allowed (maybe even guided) to come back into existence in order to have the Seventh Translation written.

Then it disappeared again.

Mark Quayle said:
What are the other language speakers to do --learn Jacobean English?

Nope. Our missionaries are adept at translating the KJB into their language.

Mark Quayle said:
God's Word is in the meaning of the originals --not in one's favorite translation.

And His meaning is found in all seven Purifications.

Nothing got lost.

Let's say tomorrow the English language gets taken from us, and qualified scribes translate the Declaration of Independence into Spanish, with the original writers of the Declaration being able to look over their shoulders.

Then, over time, English comes back, and qualified scribes translate the Declaration of Independence back to English, with the original writers of the Declaration being able to look over their shoulders.

Nothing gets lost.

AV1611VET · Sep 18, 2020

honey badger said:
well the fifth edition KJV still has errors as do all the translations,

Ya ... and I'm Genghis Khan.

AV1611VET · Sep 18, 2020

Hoo boy!

honey badger said:
one must have the mind of Christ to understand the language of God ....

The "language of God" is Jacobean English (in my opinion).

Let's not make something metaphysical out of this.

If you have to have the mind of Christ to understand Jacobean English, then how did atheists in King James' time understand each other? :doh:

honey badger · Sep 18, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Ya ... and I'm Genghis Khan.

ok ... you go strain at (out) a gnat then ...

honey badger · Sep 18, 2020

for me the creation as in everything that surrounds me including most of all my body with all its weakness and with which i perceive or experience this world has always been about a knowledge of learning who i am as i walk in an emptiness of hope of a better day .....

i know no matter who you are or perceive who you are in the moment when this world shakes you ,,, you feel this too ... perception without foundation is never at rest ...

Oseas · Sep 18, 2020

eleos1954 said:
Lots of symbolic, metaphorical/figurative language used in His Word.

Seems to largely His way of communicating .... communicates by creating "pictures" in our minds with things all of mankind is (and has been) familiar with throughout the ages .... and really makes sense ... that way it doesn't take a specific known language to understand .... transcends all of them ... and the other thing "pictures" can't be changed but words can. so He largely uses a symbolic language.
As the saying goes ... a picture is worth a thousand words ;o)

Such as Jesus communicating often through parables.
The Purpose of Jesus’ Parables
(Isaiah 6:1–13; Mark 4:10–12; Luke 8:9–10)
10 Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to the people in parables?11 He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:

‘Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’

1 Corinthians 1 - King James Version
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Scott Husted · Sep 18, 2020

Mark Quayle said:
Then I have a hard time reconciling that with your OP, or at least your follow up post #40, which, as I said, seems to assume validity to "tree" or whatever (--I'll add here-- validity in and of itself) as it exists in this temporal frame, and thus be useful for application to spiritual matters. We can't assess the eternal according to the temporal.

I must be missing something you are trying to say.

What a tree will look like after this life runs it course is one matter, but for me (in the here and now) the validation of what a tree means in relationship to our soul begins in Genesis, just as the validation of a seed being a son does.

Jesus finds Nathaniel under one, curses one, and is hung on one. The kingdom is likened to one and Adam covers himself with the leaves of one and Judas well, he hangs himself on one. Though this of course is but the tip of the iceberg, a language begins to emerge in scripture that becomes more and more relavant to what our soul is and can become to us, along with the process it goes through in relationship to God who goes from being our adversary to being our Father.

Mark Quayle · Sep 18, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Who's applying math to anything?It's God's choice for His final Translation.

When Jacobean English was interrupted (taken away) at the tower of Babel, it was allowed (maybe even guided) to come back into existence in order to have the Seventh Translation written.

Then it disappeared again.Nope. Our missionaries are adept at translating the KJB into their language.And His meaning is found in all seven Purifications.

Nothing got lost.

Let's say tomorrow the English language gets taken from us, and qualified scribes translate the Declaration of Independence into Spanish, with the original writers of the Declaration being able to look over their shoulders.

Then, over time, English comes back, and qualified scribes translate the Declaration of Independence back to English, with the original writers of the Declaration being able to look over their shoulders.

Nothing gets lost.

Whooo boy! Ok, so to your mind, the KJB is as, or even more, authoritative than the originals, and you can know this because the number 7 is mentioned in a verse about purification (even if the only time it says 7 concerns silver being purified), and because each of the 7 translations you mention is an improvement over the one before it. You apparently judge this as too much of a coincidence.

Jacobean English was fraught with figures of speech, imprecisions, and in the Bible several references to what was commonly assumed fact God "talked down to" his audience of that day, instead of setting them straight on specifics before making his point. That doesn't sound to me like God's language.

I expect when we hear God speak, it will be as though each word was the actual thing, and not a representative substitute for the thing. It will undo us. Yet that very sort of thing is available in ANY translation --even the bad ones-- of God's Word. It will not return to him void. We may not see what it does to us, but God has done it all the same. I think you will be rudely awakened by God's language when you hear it.

Cis.jd · Sep 18, 2020

Scott Husted said:
What is the language of God and how is the creation and the process of it part of it?

physics

Tone · Sep 18, 2020

Scott Husted said:
What a tree will look like after this life runs it course is one matter, but for me (in the here and now) the validation of what a tree means in relationship to our soul begins in Genesis, just as the validation of a seed being a son does.

Jesus finds Nathaniel under one, curses one, and is hung on one. The kingdom is likened to one and Adam covers himself with the leaves of one and Judas well, he hangs himself on one. Though this of course is but the tip of the iceberg, a language begins to emerge in scripture that becomes more and more relavant to what our soul is and can become to us, along with the process it goes through in relationship to God who goes from being our adversary to being our Father.

The tree says, "We go light home".

Tone · Sep 18, 2020

I just learned that every shofar has its own voice.

I'm sure that His language is His own.

Happy Feast of Trumpets, and Shabbat shalom!

Tone · Sep 18, 2020

1 Corinthians 15:52

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Tone · Sep 18, 2020

Tone said:
1 Corinthians 15:52

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Time, light, sound, power, purity, and change.

Oseas · Sep 18, 2020

Scott Husted said:
What is the language of God and how is the creation and the process of it part of it?

What is the language of God and how is the creation and the process of it part of it?

Without know first who is God, how to identify His language? How to identify the language of anyone, if he is not known, even though have heard about Him?

See, the Jews said to JESUS: we have one Father, even God. Was what the Jews said to JESUS true? No, it was not. Actually they had only heard to speak about God, but they had not known Him. The worst is they did think God was their own Father, but in fact God was not their Father. JESUS asked to the Jews: Why do ye not understand my language, my speech?

>>>What is the language of God and how is the creation and the process of it part of it?<<<

Let us see an interesting detail: Around 2500 years after Adam, or two Days and half, God revealed to Moses about His creation, saying to Moses: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Gen.1:v.1. There is a great mystery here in this God's language about creation of heavens and earth, and in the process of creation as part of creation.

I have my own vision about, but I leave for you all to meditate and understand, as follow:

- The heavens were created, but not all. In fact were created four(4) heavens, but only two were concluded until now;
- How does God create heavens? God revealed to the prophet Isaiah how creates heavens;
- What is the"tool" used by God to create the heavens and the earth, in fact all his works of creation?

- There was a plan of creation (or re-creation?). In fact God planned to RESTORE all things which were destroyed in His garden, the Garden of Eden. By the way, in my vision, there was a gap of 500 years between the fallen of man and the start of God's works for restitution of all things.

- By whom does God make all things that were created, as we have known they were?

Well, if anyone has more questions or would like to add more details about the mysteries of God described above, please feel free, but preferably in accordance with the biblical language of God.

Aussie Pete · Sep 19, 2020

Scott Husted said:
What is the language of God and how is the creation and the process of it part of it?

God speaks now in whatever language we can understand. God used spoken words to bring His creation into being. Apart from that, I don't know how anyone can answer your question.

Scott Husted · Sep 19, 2020

Oseas said:
What is the language of God and how is the creation and the process of it part of it?

Without know first who is God, how to identify His language? How to identify the language of anyone, if he is not known, even though have heard about Him?

See, the Jews said to JESUS: we have one Father, even God. Was what the Jews said to JESUS true? No, it was not. Actually they had only heard to speak about God, but they had not known Him. The worst is they did think God was their own Father, but in fact God was not their Father. JESUS asked to the Jews: Why do ye not understand my language, my speech?

>>>What is the language of God and how is the creation and the process of it part of it?<<<

Let us see an interesting detail: Around 2500 years after Adam, or two Days and half, God revealed to Moses about His creation, saying to Moses: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Gen.1:v.1. There is a great mystery here in this God's language about creation of heavens and earth, and in the process of creation as part of creation.

I have my own vision about, but I leave for you all to meditate and understand, as follow:

- The heavens were created, but not all. In fact were created four(4) heavens, but only two were concluded until now;
- How does God create heavens? God revealed to the prophet Isaiah how creates heavens;
- What is the"tool" used by God to create the heavens and the earth, in fact all his works of creation?

- There was a plan of creation (or re-creation?). In fact God planned to RESTORE all things which were destroyed in His garden, the Garden of Eden. By the way, in my vision, there was a gap of 500 years between the fallen of man and the start of God's works for restitution of all things.

- By whom does God make all things that were created, as we have known they were?

Well, if anyone has more questions or would like to add more details about the mysteries of God described above, please feel free, but preferably in accordance with the biblical language of God.

In the beginning alone is a powerful statement ...

Scott Husted · Sep 19, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
God speaks now in whatever language we can understand. God used spoken words to bring His creation into being. Apart from that, I don't know how anyone can answer your question.

The Hebrews writer said God now speaks to us by son, but he has always spoken to us by son ...

Scott Husted · Sep 19, 2020

honey badger said:
one must have the mind of Christ to understand the language of God ....

You can find a snapshot of this rest in the first three words of the Bible ... a knowing where you are ...

Language ...

i am

i am

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SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE

i am

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