The Effect

JohnEmmett said:

As I said, regarding this Effect, you lack faith…

In other words, you doubt this Effect.

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The effect is real enough - it's the explanation for it that's moot.

JohnEmmett said:

The first post was sufficient.

I'm tired of arguing……

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You're not arguing but asserting without argument. Science fiction videos are not an argument.

JohnEmmett said:

I'm not

nor is anyone whose insight I shared

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I didn't say you are.
But the way you act is exactly the way they act.

You could change that very easily and demonstrate that you aren't a charlatan.

You won't, I guess. You have been given this opportunity before, and you just evaded.

But, see, I have faith. Against all odds, against all evidence, I have faith in the goodness and intelligence of my fellow human beings. Maybe this faith is misplaced... but I still have it.

So I will continue to give you the opportunity to present your case, in a rational, reasonable way... as well as give you enough rope to hang yourself.

It's your choice.

JohnEmmett said:

your perspective is poor

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Rope, my friend, rope.

JohnEmmett said:

karma my friend

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More rope. Keep doing it. I don't mind.

I'm here. I am open for rational arguments. I am open to see the results of your tests and studies. I am willing to discuss them with you.

But every time you continue to respond to my requests with meaningless one-liners, more claims and unbased assertions... it just adds to the rope.

JohnEmmett said:

K

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That's not a test or study... this is just another bunch of claims. It's just more of the "we couldn't possibly be wrong... so the universe must be wrong" stuff.

One point of criticism... the universe seems to be extremely picky in which types of mistakes it makes. It only seems to make the mistakes that a human brain constantly makes... but none other.

JohnEmmett said:

K

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Yeah. People misremember easily misremembered things and a product distributor doesn't know what quantum physics 'says'. Colour me surprised.

JohnEmmett said:

the people in doubt are doubtful people


should this surprise?

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Rationality, my friend with the lengthening rope.

First... you did mention "relevance" in an earlier post.
How is any of these "examples" relevant? There is no relevant difference between "McIntosh" and "MacIntosh" and "Macintosh". Other than the friendly guy in the vid really mangled the pronunciation... it's just different variants of the same name. And for most people, it doesn't make any difference at all. If you go to a shop and ask for MacIntosh apples... you will get the same product... because that's how human brains work.

Aha, now you may say, but it is relevant for a food distribution software company, because they cannot afford mistakes like that.
Well... I guarantee you... they will still make mistakes. Because they are humans.

But, relevance the second: interesting what people do NOT remember, even if they remember these mistakes.
Now I said in an earlier post: reality is interconnected. (Or maybe I just remember saying that, because I wanted to say it, but didn't. Or perhaps the universe has changed so that I did say it, but now live in a universe where I didn't say it.)
Well, here I say it - again or not - "reality is interconnected". There are no "single facts" that can change or not, without having any influence on the whole system... in a lesser or greater way.

So someone remembered that they used to order a certain amount of produce... but now find out that they really didn't and ordered a completely different number... why do they not also remember that they used to have completely different storage facilities? Why did they not remember their warehouse being much larger/smaller? Why do they not remember being a struggling little restaurant who sold much less X? Or the opposite?

This "Effect" is always just completely irrelevant details, but nothing that connects with them. The name of a cereal. The position of a country where you have never been. The number of foodstuff you have ordered without it having any influence on your business.

Sorry... a faulty memory is still a better explanation that parallel universes doing very particular stuff.

JohnEmmett said:

So it seems. Are things as they seem?

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In this case, yes, they are. Reading comprehension, my friend.
The faulty memory is not necessarily "the truth". But it is a "better" - a more concise, more rational, more inline with testable observations - explanation for the observable fact that some people have, hm... "alternative memories".

You still haven't presented any reason why your explanation is in any way preferable to ours.
The rope is lengthening.

JohnEmmett said:

I shared plenty of insight.

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You shared plenty of claims.
You don't seem to be a complete moron, so you should understand the difference.

Again, let's come to the question of "relevance". It was something you brought up, as I hope you will remember.

Why is this relevant?
If there is indeed some from of quantum-woo-changing-universe stuff going on... how would you distinguish that from people misremembering things... or even spreading false memories?
Would it even make a difference?
What consequences, what conclusions would you draw from that?

How is this relevant? Just for once, think a moment for yourself and give your answer.

JohnEmmett said:

It's quite a miracle. It's quite amazing.

This challenges the view that life is mundane.

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Amazing? Yes, surely.
But a miracle? All the sources you mentioned as "insight" talk about nothing but "quantum mechanics"... and given the examples they provided for their thesis, to call it "miraculous" would be quite an insult to the concept of miracles.
Given that, this is just another factor of the natural world, which might be a bit bigger than assumed.

The world - and life - would be just as "mundane" as without it... just even more irrational and confusing.

And, I would like to add, "the view that life is mundane" as if this is something bad... this is your view, not mine.

JohnEmmett said:

I think you are beginning to understand the implications…

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Who knows. What do you think are the implications?