My Epileptic Challenge

AV1611VET said:

What is wrong with the above passage?

I say "nothing is wrong."

What say you?

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"Lunatic" is spelled wrong.

I have epilepsy. Whole brain. Grand mal. I take my meds and am 99% fine. I am not demon-possessed. I was in a car accident at age 3. I was standing on the front seat in between my mother and father. Yes, that was the early 1960's - no seat belt laws. I was thrown against the front window and my head took the full impact.

Then, at age 4, I contracted encephalitis. My fever skyrocketed out of control for 6 days. One of those two things left a scar on my brain.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say or ask here. I'll just say this.

Demonic forces possessing a person is real and it CAN alter your body and make your bodies do things you would not ordinarily do and stop normal functions of the body. Three examples:

• The demon possessed man in Mark 5. It says he lived in the tombs. People stopped trying to bind him because he could not even be chained as he could burst the chains apart.
• In Matthew 9 - a man could not speak, he was mute, as a result of demon possession.
• A friend of mine spend a few weeks in Cambodia two years ago and encountered a demon possessed woman. It frightened him. They were in her home and all seemed well. His partner began asking her if she wanted to know about Jesus Christ. She said nothing. He began sharing from the Bible with her. She began growling, foaming at the mouth, and the chair she was sitting in began to shake and she began to quiver. I believe him.

The Bible doesn't call this epilepsy. It calls it demon-possession and lists the attributes. Sometimes seizures or episodes that resemble seizures are involved, but that doesn't mean the person has epilepsy.

I'm so sorry that you think that science can "take a hike". I'm a devout and conversative believer and I LOVE science.

I've been asked before, "How can you be a Christian and teach science?" My response is always - "How can a person teach science and NOT be a Christian?"

plain jayne said:

I'm so sorry that you think that science can "take a hike". I'm a devout and conversative believer and I LOVE science.

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He only says that when world-minded people discount God's Word because they think they know more than God.

AV1611VET said:

What is wrong with the above passage?
I say "nothing is wrong."
What say you?

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Jesus seems to be saying gifts of healing were not available even to his disciples.
Which I maintain as correct.

I also have epilepsy, it was caused by brain nodules forming on A,B,C instead of on D,E,F before I was born. The right thing in the wrong place, easily seen on an MRI.

People are body, soul and spirit and likewise, conditions can be caused by the physical, the mental and/or the spiritual.
Seizures can be both physical from birth defects like mine or from a head injury or it can be spiritual, caused by a demon, the type that Jesus drove out. So nothing is wrong with those verses.

AV1611VET said:

I'm glad your epilepsy is under control with medication.
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1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x = dual agreement
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x = science can take a hike
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x = Biblical support
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x = Scientific support
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own
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I hope that clarifies things!

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I went through a phase where I tabulated everything I believe about Evolution, as well.

How curious, that two independent minds, failing to grasp the meaning of Evolution, should arrive at the same typological exegesis.

If our thoughts about Evolution were unstructured (because Evolution is 'true'), we would never have arrived at the same nuance, independently?

I don't know AV1611VET, even if we helped them lie, they still would not turn from the encouragment of their wicked ways.

Actually I have been thinking, maybe scientists would like to debunk the first observation Jesus made: "the wind blows and you hear the sound of it, but you know not where it comes from or where it goes"

If scientists could model the wind, would that falsify Jesus?

Or would you need to stipulate, modelling only helps you relate to it (the wind), it does not definitively picture the wind in a particular state that you know of.

I just bring this up, because sometimes it seems like Jesus has been overlooked, in the attempt to define the observations of science - whereas, if we observed perfectly, we would be much less likely to make a gaff like 'Evolution from species to species".

Strathos said:

"Lunatic" is spelled wrong.

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You can thank the KJV for that spelling!


Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 17:14-16 - King James Version

plain jayne said:

I've been asked before, "How can you be a Christian and teach science?" My response is always - "How can a person teach science and NOT be a Christian?"

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'Nature is the executer of God's laws': Galileo