The rapture - some say it is near or past or ongoing

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Well OP if thats the case.. praise GOD I missed it :( haha. This goes against the word of God.

Well .. a I see and understand there is no PRE MID POST verses. And whats written is there must come a voice a shout a trump and then the dead rise.. and we.. love that from Paul "WE" he put him self in that.. that remain shall be caught up together.

So when? Now I can tell you like many do how I personally believe but.. whats left out by man is.. that is their personal belief. So since I was not promised tomorrow. I live in this moment He gave me. I live as if this is the moment He is coming. So I am always thinking about my king. Making sure I am living for Him in all things. I will never miss Him.

I believe when it happens.. the world will not see it. Jesus will be the last thing people think came and took His own as He promised.
 
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Yes, all sorts of different theories of the "rapture" have been dreamed up by various Protestant denominations in the past couple of hundred years, which was when the idea first came into existence. Jesus Christ never mentioned it, and the one Church He founded, to which He promised the fullness of God's truth, has always rejected such unbiblical nonsense.
 
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I have heard recently that some folks think the rapture has started - and is related to a number of people dying.

Not sure why they would say that since the rapture is about resurrecting the righteous dead and translating the living directly to heaven. Not about Christians dying.

Anyone else hearing of this?

Not that people dying is a part of the rapture no, you're right the bible teaches that the dead rise first but then people who are alive rise up to meet Jesus in the air. You don't have to die to experience it in other words.

So not that it's ongoing but I've seen a LOT of pretribbers amped up for the feast of trumpets that begins tomorrow evening in Israel, with the country going into 3 week lockdown it's definitely a time to watch and pray.
I don't believe the rapture happens tomorrow but I do believe that a red heifer will be sacrificed since the streets will be near empty and they won't be disturbed, and Rabbis claim that the messiah will be revealed as well.
That would not be Jesus.

I mean, I HOPE pretrib is right it's just that's not what I see in scripture but rather pre wrath.
If I happen to be wrong and Jesus takes me up unexpectedly amen, but I don't think this is "the last trump". I think that it is more likely to happen on a feast of trumpets after the Abomination of Desolation. Revelation wasn't written until after Paul had died so Paul wouldn't be referring to the 7th trumpet judgement, so I think post wrathers are not reading carefully.

But scripture does refer to the rapture as being gathered to Christ and both Paul and Jesus describe the Abomination of Desolation happening first.

But hey. if I'm wrong, I can change my eschatology views in mid air.
 
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In upside down world, yes. Six feet apart, six feet under.

Remember: You are keeping your distance due to a virus. A virus!

You know how I would show love? Hugs and kisses. Touch is very important for humans. So is human connection (the opposite of distancing).

But it's all a matter of perspective. I can see your point of view. In these times there is no other choice....and to me, that's hellish.

But I live alone. You are likely surrounded by loved ones who you can touch and feel.

A virus that kills, a virus you can be carrying due to your lack of concern about it and not even know because you could be in incubation period, or an asymptomatic carrier.
Your hugs and kisses can put someone on a ventilator or even kill them.
 
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A virus that kills, a virus you can be carrying due to your lack of concern about it and not even know because you could be in incubation period, or an asymptomatic carrier.
Your hugs and kisses can put someone on a ventilator or even kill them.

You misunderstood. I am talking pre-Covid. And you have made my point about the crazy times we are in.

We will all get arrested for hugging in this timeline. Definitely, this is hell.
 
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I believe when it happens.. the world will not see it. Jesus will be the last thing people think came and took His own as He promised.

Isn't there a verse that says (paraphrasing), "Every eye shall see, every knee shall bow"? This doesn't sound very secretive.

I honestly wish my friends didn't tell me about the rapture. It scared me so much, I lay awake in bed worrying I'd miss it and thinking everyone I loved would be gone. It messed me up so much that coming home to an empty house meant I was "left behind."

Adding to this, I grew up with abuse, so I really needed to hear, instead, that God is love. This didn't sound very loving (separating and dividing). And why would God be a thief, or secretive, anyway?

So much I could say.... I wish I had never read Revelations, and I wish I had distanced myself from all end-time discussions growing up.
 
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Isn't there a verse that says (paraphrasing), "Every eye shall see, every knee shall bow"? This doesn't sound very secretive.

I honestly wish my friends didn't tell me about the rapture. It scared me so much, I lay awake in bed worrying I'd miss it and thinking everyone I loved would be gone. It messed me up so much that coming home to an empty house meant I was "left behind."

Adding to this, I grew up with abuse, so I really needed to hear, instead, that God is love. This didn't sound very loving (separating and dividing). And why would God be a thief, or secretive, anyway?

So much I could say.... I wish I had never read Revelations, and I wish I had distanced myself from all end-time discussions growing up.

Why?
If you'd read the bible you'd understand the bible does not teach a pre trib rapture. It's not secret, it's very much visible, as the lightning coming from the east to the west, it will rip open the sky. (Matthew 24:27), the sun and moon will be darkened (Matthew 24:29, Revelation 6:12, Joel 2:31, Isaiah 13:10). This is literally something that won't be missed, and if your faith is in Jesus' finished work on the cross, you're His, bought at the price of His own blood, and He will gather His property to Him.

I also want to point out 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
That part is really important, notice that the gathering of the saints to Jesus (the rapture) is connected to the second coming of Jesus, not separate. The rapture is the first event OF the second coming, just like the first coming was not just His birth, but all the things He did in His earthly ministry, His death, burial, and resurrection. So the rapture, wrath of God, bema seat (where rewards are given out), wedding supper of the lamb, armageddon, millennial kingdom (or if you want to be amillennial, fine whatever just skip to final judgement), and final judgement are all parts of the second coming, even though they happen over the course of years.

Now back to the scripture
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The return of Jesus and Rapture cannot happen until some prerequisite conditions are met.
So unless you don't at all pay attention to what's going on, you won't miss it, the signs are there to watch.

I mean I could be wrong, but I don't see any bible verses that tell me of a secret rapture.
 
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I have heard recently that some folks think the rapture has started - and is related to a number of people dying.

Not sure why they would say that since the rapture is about resurrecting the righteous dead and translating the living directly to heaven. Not about Christians dying.

Anyone else hearing of this?
The rapture happens in the "twinkling" of an eye... It doesn't "start"... It happens.. Faster than you can blink.
 
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Oh, yeah. People have been saying that for the last 2000 years. Paul said in one place, "Who, concerning the Truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some." 2Timothy 2:18. But, you're right, the rapture and resurrection of the righteous will happen at Jesus' 2nd coming. Since that hasn't happened yet, it's obvious the rapture hasn't happened yet either.
Yes.. but it has only been in the last few years where:

1/ Israel was reunited and formed a nation, again. There language resurrected...
2/ Technology is advanced enough for all people, all over the globe.. to see, in real time, the two witnesses speak, spew fire from their mouths.. lay dead in the streets... All will see this.. in real time... With technology only available lately.
3/ The red heifer is here. The temple implements are made. The temple location has been found. The plans are drawn.. They say it can be built in 3 short weeks.
4/ Peace deals are now unfolding with Trump.. Never before deals are being made... Peace is now on the lips of people in the world.

There are other events that have come to fruition that make it possible for the time to be short.. that never were in place in the last 2000 years.


1 Thessalonians 5:3


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3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
 
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The rapture happens in the "twinkling" of an eye... It doesn't "start"... It happens.. Faster than you can blink.
there are visible signs that precede it. So that is a start. It can be anticipated, otherwise Jesus wouldn't have told us to watch for it.
 
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there are visible signs that precede it. So that is a start. It can be anticipated, otherwise Jesus wouldn't have told us to watch for it.
I agree..

Do you agree that it doesn't "start" ... based on the simple fact that it happens faster than you can blink?
 
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Yes, all sorts of different theories of the "rapture" have been dreamed up by various Protestant denominations in the past couple of hundred years, which was when the idea first came into existence. Jesus Christ never mentioned it, and the one Church He founded, to which He promised the fullness of God's truth, has always rejected such unbiblical nonsense.
Well, the protestants may have been the first to really listen to Paul....

1 Thessalonians 4:17


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17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 
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I have heard recently that some folks think the rapture has started - and is related to a number of people dying.

Not sure why they would say that since the rapture is about resurrecting the righteous dead and translating the living directly to heaven. Not about Christians dying.

Anyone else hearing of this?

In a moment in a twinkling of an eye. Not prolonged evacuation or death. Perhaps there is a high level of misunderstanding.
 
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