Teaching of creationism in US public school science classes has dropped over past 12 years

AV1611VET said:

Adam lived for 930 years.

Are you suggesting he wrote in real time?

He could have written Genesis 1 at almost any age: 50, 100, 250, 500, whatever.

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You suggested he wrote it in Eden, didn't you?

Strathos said:

You suggested he wrote it in Eden, didn't you?

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Yes ... but I said Eden is Pangaea.

Adam did not write it in the Garden of Eden.

AV1611VET said:

Yes ... but I said Eden is Pangaea.

Adam did not write it in the Garden of Eden.

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I think that I'll stick with Moses as the first one to write Genesis, thank you.

Strathos said:

I think that I'll stick with Moses as the first one to write Genesis, thank you.

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Then what book is this?

Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

AV1611VET said:

Then what book is this?

Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

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The book that Moses wrote... just because he was writing about things that happened a long time ago doesn't mean that the book itself existed in written form during those events.

If I write a book today about the US Civil War, does that mean that my book had to have existed during the Civil War itself?

Strathos said:

The book that Moses wrote... just because he was writing about things that happened a long time ago doesn't mean that the book itself existed in written form during those events.

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Fair enough. You're entitled to your own opinion.

Did you happen to see this, Strathos?

Carlsen Loses By Disconnect On Saint Louis Rapid Day 1

AV1611VET said:

Did you happen to see this, Strathos?

Carlsen Loses By Disconnect On Saint Louis Rapid Day 1

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Yeah. That's the problem with online chess.

AV1611VET said:

Adam lived for 930 years.

Are you suggesting he wrote in real time?

He could have written Genesis 1 at almost any age: 50, 100, 250, 500, whatever.

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Your Tablets link says Adam didn't write Genesis 1. That's the point I made when I disagreed with your claim that he wrote the early part of Genesis.

AV1611VET said:

As long as you realize that Adam didn't write most of Genesis, as Strathos may have led you to believe, then I'll consider it: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Albeit, Strathos said this:I'm sure he meant Adam wrote his part of the Bible -- not the whole Bible.

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I understood what Strathos said. I also understand what the link you posted says. You, on the other hand, do not understand what that link says. Adam did not write Genesis 1.

AV1611VET said:

Yes, I can.

Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

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Where does that say the bible was written in Heaven?

Bungle_Bear said:

Where does that say the bible was written in Heaven?

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I think this gets into the question of predestination vs free will, which is a sticky subject theologically.

Bungle_Bear said:

Adam did not write Genesis 1.

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You're entitled to your opinion.

Bungle_Bear said:

Where does that say the bible was written in Heaven?

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Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

I believe those books to be the sixty-six books of the King James Bible.

Strathos said:

I think this gets into the question of predestination vs free will, which is a sticky subject theologically.

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Or omniscience.

AV1611VET said:

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

I believe those books to be the sixty-six books of the King James Bible.

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That is a different passage. And my question still stands - where does it say those books were written in Heaven?

Strathos said:

I think this gets into the question of predestination vs free will, which is a sticky subject theologically.

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That's not what I'm asking. AV's claim - "The bible was written in Heaven". I'm asking where that is stated. And all I'm getting from him is dancing and avoidance, which would tend to indicate it's not stated anywhere and is yet another of AV's unsupportable claims.

Bungle_Bear said:

That's not what I'm asking. AV's claim - "The bible was written in Heaven". I'm asking where that is stated. And all I'm getting from him is dancing and avoidance, which would tend to indicate it's not stated anywhere and is yet another of AV's unsupportable claims.

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The alphabet's a bear, isn't it?

You just can't find verses of Scripture written in the exact jots and tittles that'll satisfy you, can you?

Bungle_Bear said:

That's not what I'm asking. AV's claim - "The bible was written in Heaven". I'm asking where that is stated. And all I'm getting from him is dancing and avoidance, which would tend to indicate it's not stated anywhere and is yet another of AV's unsupportable claims.

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I think he is saying that all of the events of the Bible were foreordained, so God knew about them before they happened, and in that way it was 'written', but again that gets into the issue of predestination vs. free will.

Strathos said:

I think he is saying that all of the events of the Bible were foreordained,

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No.

I'm saying the original word of God is in Heaven.

Just like the original Declaration of Independence is in Washington, DC.