so many young adults living with parents

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You still need human connection. And sometimes young adults need that even if they are single and if they have healthy relationships with their parents then it's really no problem for young adults to live at home with their parents. The problems arise when adult children take advantage of their parents or the parents are trying to exploit the children, etc...; that IS wrong. and parents deserve to speak up in that situation and I don't know why they wouldn't. It's really sad you have seen no examples of a working healthy multi generational household. For all your sisters' faults, would it really make you feel better for them to be living alone in attic rooms with no furniture and sleeping on the floor ? I really don't understand.



Also I'm just guessing you have been married about ten years. If you had been single and working, with a degree in that span of time, I'm sure you would be able to live in a better place than an attic and have furniture even if it were minimal. Or you might have been living at home if your mother offered and meant it , and you would have probably been the type of person to have helped around the house if your mother wouldn't accept rent. There's no shame in either scenario.
 
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had no furniture & slept on floor with blanket and was fine with that

I can’t imagine doing the same to my daughter or sitting idly while she lived in those conditions. It’s unconscionable. I think your family dynamics are different from most. I don’t know anyone who’d do the same.

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Combination of different factors at play on this one...some are social/societal, others are purely economic and out of some folks control.

To start with the more simple one (the purely economic reasons). The overall mentality on "is college required" has changed, and the job market has altered itself to fit that idea. Meaning, the days of being able to get a decent paying job out of high school, that, within a few years could get you a house, and a car or two in the driveway, with no college degree are largely gone.

Those types of manual labor/warehouse/machinist jobs aren't around in the same capacity they were, and the ones that are still left, aren't paying like they were a few decades back (in comparison with inflation adjusted dollars).

So, if you're an 18 year old, who's parents can't afford to send you, and you're not in a position to be taking on $60k worth of student loan debt, the odds are slim that you'll find a job that will put in you in a position of enough upward mobility that you'd be able to buy a house, rent a nicer apartment, etc... by the time you're 22. For most people, "stay with mom & dad" is more appealing than "living a junky little 1-bedroom apartment in a bad neighborhood" --and I can't say I fully blame them.


On to the social societal aspects.
There are places in the country where upwards of 40% of college graduates with a 4-year degree are living with their parents 4 years after graduating. That means that there wasn't an economic barrier to getting into college for them.

"What people are going to college for" has a hand in that outcome.

If you look at the data trends, you'll see a few major shifts.
Bachelor's degrees conferred by postsecondary institutions, by field of study: Selected years, 1970-71 through 2017-18

People majoring in communications, humanities, and visual and performing arts have way outpaced other fields.

Between 1995 and 2005, the number of conferred bachelors degrees:
Visual and performing arts: increased by 70%
Communications: increased by 55%
Humanities: increased by 34%

...and this is during a time window where the total number of conferred 4-year degrees only rose by 22%

For Visual/performing arts and communications especially, the markets simply aren't there to have a good job placement rate with that sort of degree. There's been a mentality shift from "let me find something that I can tolerate or like a little bit, that has good pay opportunities, and study that" to "I deserve to be able to pursue my ultimate passion in life, and earn a good wage doing it, and if I can't, that means the system is unfair and we need to make college free".

It would take quite a bit of mental gymnastics and lack of pragmatism for a person to come to the conclusion that majoring in music theory or journalism is going to land them a stable $60k+ job out of college given the very limited job market for those things.


In terms of the perception of a "shrinking middle class", that one is half-true.

Even though when controlling for inflation and lifestyle, there is still evidence that "the middle class is shrinking" to a small extent, the issue isn't nearly as pervasive as some think it is.

This is largely because people are comparing apples and oranges.

They're looking at it as "The number of people considered middle class in the 1950's was a greater share of the population than the number of people considered middle class in 2020", without accounting for the fact that those two time-period specific classifications are wildly different.

A lifestyle that was widely considered "middle class" back then would be considered "lower-middle" or even "lower" class today.

If you were to ask the question "how many people, in 2020, can life a "middle class lifestyle", the way it was defined back in 1955?", it would become apparent that the gap isn't as big as people have been led to believe.

Middle class back then was a 1100sq ft home with 3 bedrooms, one bathroom, one TV, one car, most meals eaten at home, no cable TV, one modest vacation each year, one landline phone for everyone to share, etc...

Now "middle class" is perceived as 2000 sq ft home with 3-4 bedrooms, 2 cars, 2 bathrooms, cable/internet, 3 TVs in the house, most household members having a smart phone, eating out 2-3 nights a week, family vacations that cost north of $5,000, yearly Christmas shopping exceeding $1,000.
 
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You can't really mean this.:(
Unfortunately, CF rules prevent me from explaining how much I actually mean it. Suffice it to say...

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Besides they're going to make you rich.
Millennials Will Become Richest Generation In American History As Baby Boomers Transfer Over Their Wealth.
Lol, k bro
 
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don't know

worked our way through college
I worked early before class, at night, summers, during week & weekends
who needs sleep anyway when you're young?
ok boomer
 
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I mean that Boomers have no idea how much Millennials hate them. And pretty soon, we'll be making healthcare decisions for them.

Sleep well, Boomers.

That's funny because I'm Gen-X and I thought we had some issues with the Boomers going back to the early 90s.
 
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ok boomer

have a preteen, how could I possibly be a boomer? lol
worked because had to & didn't want any loans

husband & I are saving to "help" our daughter so she doesn't need two jobs at same time to get through college
 
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this is sad as youth are putting off living their lives

see it in my own neighborhood
a 27 yr old is living with her mom
everyday, several friends are over there & they just hang out & smoke cigarettes

Extended families have happened throughout history and is not the same thing as people wasting time smoking cigarettes.
We are in the process of building a self-contained flat onto our house which my father will take for as long as he is alive and after that my daughter plans to take it.
But extended family encompasses all varieties of families living together, the main point being support for each other. Sadly it seems most cultures today look to living apart as being the gold standard and living together as some kind of failure, as a form of mooching.
 
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that is very admirable @coffee4u





my preteen is like me, however
already talking about her own house

she did say she'll bring her kids over for me to babysit, lol
but then next day, she says not getting married as boys have cooties
 
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The Amish build a dawdi haus on the owner’s property that the parents move into. The married couple takes over the main house. Ancestral homes are wise investments. If you can’t have an income producing property that’s the best option.

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That's funny because I'm Gen-X and I thought we had some issues with the Boomers going back to the early 90s.
It is my understanding that the Boomers are peculiar inasmuch as their collective penchant for divorce and starting new families meant that they contributed to two separate generations. Turns out, there are consequences for all those years of broken families and flighty single mothers. Whoda thunk?
 
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At this rate all that wealth will be burned up or washed away in a decade.

That wealth has been created by shifting the majority of costs to mother nature, and she's now demanding it back with interest.
This wealth that Boomers have accumulated is also likely to be eaten up by their own end of life care. So in the end, even nature might get gypped by the Boomers. But what else did anybody expect from the Me Generation, amirite?
 
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It's really sad you have seen no examples of a working healthy multi generational household.

didn't know it was that common in US?

do know in Italy, often unmarried males live at home but how could one leave mama's good Italian cooking?
 
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I don’t get the boomer hate. This is the most unprecedented time in earning capacity. The entry to entrepreneurship has never been easier. You can work from home and generate an income without overhead. Plenty are doing so.

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~Bella
 
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I don’t get the boomer hate. This is the most unprecedented time in earning capacity. The entry to entrepreneurship has never been easier. You can work from home and generate an income without overhead. Plenty are doing so.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella
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That's funny because I'm Gen-X and I thought we had some issues with the Boomers going back to the early 90s.
Everyone has issues with the boomers. Even boomers don't like boomers.
 
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