Blm Co-founder admitted the movement is based on witchcraft

keith99 · Sep 17, 2020

Arc F1 said:
I've yet to see any solutions. As a Christian I find it hard to back lawlessness as a solution to police brutality. I also believe each person is responsible for their own actions that's why I don't understand the mentality of punishing all police. Why rob a store or burn a home for the actions of one man that had no connection to the property being destroyed? If the movement is against the police why attack random people and beat on them? To me all I've seen from this group is the opposite of what the bible teaches. I can't just sit back and be a Christian in name only. I have to follow word of God.

Then try a google search on '8 that can't wait'. I don't agree with all 8 since some are stated as absolutes. But it is an excelent starting point for police reform.

Mayzoo · Sep 17, 2020

Arc F1 said:
That goes back to the weak position of not being able to Criticize Blm because nobody represents Blm. Sorry but I don't see it that way. The founders and the members all represent Blm. The protesters are showing anti Christian behavior. They are looting, burning and desecrating religious symbols. Now we find out it was started by a self proclaimed witch.

Trump represents America. You are an American. Trump is an adulterer. Does that make you an adulterer?

Pommer · Sep 17, 2020

Arc F1 said:
I've yet to see any solutions. As a Christian I find it hard to back lawlessness as a solution to police brutality. I also believe each person is responsible for their own actions that's why I don't understand the mentality of punishing all police. Why rob a store or burn a home for the actions of one man that had no connection to the property being destroyed? If the movement is against the police why attack random people and beat on them? To me all I've seen from this group is the opposite of what the bible teaches. I can't just sit back and be a Christian in name only. I have to follow word of God.

Are you saying that you’d like justice?
Gee, what a coincidence.

Aldebaran · Sep 17, 2020

RaymondG said:
The founder of Christianity were the mockers who wanted to make fun of those who followed Christ.....we liked it so we ran with it.

Now if we are to get serious, "Dude," we would admit that there are government registered, tax exempt church organizations. And their leadership is documented with the government as well. I am talking about religion, not walking with God, or discipleship.

Therefore when I talk about the leader of the religious institutions, I am not talking about God....Im talking about the ones whose names are on the government documents.

If we dismiss the BLM for the faults of the co-leaders, we should dismiss the church organizations for the faults of anyone on their documented leadership as well.

no worries, this should be find....just say the church is no good and we cant trust anything that is stands for because the leader was bad......but oh, we still support the church. Just like we are doing with BLM.

Can you quote anywhere where I have defended this founder, that I know nothing about?

Can you show me anywhere where I announced support or encouraged the support of this Organization?

If you cannot you are bearing false witness and there is no reason to reply.... Just ponder why you would desire to do such a thing.

Why do you get so defensive and accusatory when someone asks you a question?

Aldebaran · Sep 17, 2020

Tom 1 said:
What does this have to do with protesting over people being killed by the police?

Nothing, same as the organization.

Sparagmos · Sep 17, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
You can claim to know some people’s intent. Body language and tone says a lot. I’m glad that you don’t say this quote as a threat but would you go so far as to honestly say that the majority of BLM protesters don’t?

Yes, 100%. I’ve been chanting “no justice, no peace” for 15 years in peaceful protests. It was never a threat of violence.

Aldebaran · Sep 17, 2020

Sparagmos said:
Yes, 100%. I’ve been chanting “no justice, no peace” for 15 years in peaceful protests. It was never a threat of violence.

What do you mean by it then? Or are they just empty words?

renniks · Sep 17, 2020

Tom 1 said:
Sure, and separating refugee children from their parents isn't satanic.

Most that were separated were from thier traffickers, not parents. But I guess we should just leave them with the people who brought them here to sell thier bodies...

Quartermaine · Sep 17, 2020

renniks said:
Most that were separated were from thier traffickers, not parents. But I guess we should just leave them with the people who brought them here to sell thier bodies...

any evidence of this or is it just something hateful to say?

BNR32FAN · Sep 17, 2020

Sparagmos said:
Yes, 100%. I’ve been chanting “no justice, no peace” for 15 years in peaceful protests. It was never a threat of violence.

I don’t doubt that there are thousands of people who share your interpretation of that message. My point is the message that the leadership of BLM is conveying. I don’t doubt for a second that there are good God worshipping people within the group my doubts are with the leadership of the group and the masses who join it to promote mayhem.

Aldebaran · Sep 17, 2020

Quartermaine said:
any evidence of this or is it just something hateful to say?

You could have looked it up yourself if you were interested. But here is one of many sources I immediately found just by using google.
No, 1 in 3 Kids Coming Across the Southern Border Are Not Victims of Sex Trafficking

lasthero · Sep 17, 2020

Aldebaran said:
You could have looked it up yourself if you were interested. But here is one of many sources I immediately found just by using google.
No, 1 in 3 Kids Coming Across the Southern Border Are Not Victims of Sex Trafficking

...I think you might've posted the wrong thing.

Sparagmos · Sep 17, 2020

Aldebaran said:
What do you mean by it then? Or are they just empty words?

It means a peaceful society can only occur when there is justice. For me, when I chant it, I’m saying don’t expect me to just go along with this injustice. I’m going to keep protesting and marching and chanting and fighting, because I’m not going to let the people in power think that everything is Ok when it’s not. I’m not going to pretend that we have peace when black people do not have peace. I’m not going to pretend that we have peace because a certain class of people is insulated from the suffering that poverty and racism and the criminal justice system causes. There is no peace until we all have peace. There is no peace until black lives matter as much as white lives.

The fact that the chant comes from MLK, one of the greatest architects of non-violent protest, should be enough to tell you that the chant is not intended as a threat of violence. Since you know it comes from him, why are you questioning it’s intent?

Sparagmos · Sep 17, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
I don’t doubt that there are thousands of people who share your interpretation of that message. My point is the message that the leadership of BLM is conveying. I don’t doubt for a second that there are good God worshipping people within the group my doubts are with the leadership of the group and the masses who join it to promote mayhem.

No leader at any BLM event I’ve ever been to has promoted, encouraged, or condoned violence. To the contrary, most leaders have discouraged it and promoted peaceful protest. How do you know what the leaders are or aren’t conveying? Have you ever been at a march or rally?

renniks · Sep 17, 2020

Quartermaine said:
any evidence of this or is it just something hateful to say?

What's hateful about separating children from child traffickers?
What is the current U.S. policy on families caught crossing the border?

For years the U.S. has given three reasons for separating kids from the adults who brought them across the border:

Border agents and officials suspect the kids don’t belong to the adults and/or might be the victims of human trafficking.
If child abuse is suspected.
If the adult is going to be charged with a crime. Kids can’t go to jail, so the Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement takes those children and places them in facilities, foster care or with family members.

BTW, this isn't something that only happened under the Trump administration...the only difference he implemented was to to criminally prosecute every person caught crossing the border illegally.

Sparagmos · Sep 17, 2020

Aldebaran said:
You could have looked it up yourself if you were interested. But here is one of many sources I immediately found just by using google.
No, 1 in 3 Kids Coming Across the Southern Border Are Not Victims of Sex Trafficking

Did you post this article to show that @renniks assertion is untrue?

lasthero · Sep 17, 2020

renniks said:
What's hateful about separating children from child traffickers?

That's not what he asked. Where's your evidence that most separated at the border are from traffickers, not parents?

Aldebaran · Sep 17, 2020

Sparagmos said:
It means a peaceful society can only occur when there is justice. For me, when I chant it, I’m saying don’t expect me to just go along with this injustice. I’m going to keep protesting and marching and chanting and fighting, because I’m not going to let the people in power think that everything is Ok when it’s not. I’m not going to pretend that we have peace when black people do not have peace. I’m not going to pretend that we have peace because a certain class of people is insulated from the suffering that poverty and racism and the criminal justice system causes. There is no peace until we all have peace. There is no peace until black lives matter as much as white lives.

The fact that the chant comes from MLK, one of the greatest architects of non-violent protest, should be enough to tell you that the chant is not intended as a threat of violence. Since you know it comes from him, why are you questioning it’s intent?

I question the intent of those chanting it, especially since they've done so much damage and destroyed so many lives: Damage from riots across US will cost at least $1B in claims: report

Sparagmos · Sep 17, 2020

Aldebaran said:
I question the intent of those chanting it, especially since they've done so much damage and destroyed so many lives: Damage from riots across US will cost at least $1B in claims: report

No, “they” who chant “no justice, no peace” have not done that. A teeny tiny percentage of protests have been violent. And I’d wager that the average looter has never chanted that. But it’s a great scare tactic, to lead people to believe that that chant is a threat of violence. It certainly fits the narrative that all of us peaceful protesters are coming for you to hurt you and need to be stopped.

Aldebaran · Sep 17, 2020

Sparagmos said:
No, “they” who chant “no justice, no peace” have not done that. A teeny tiny percentage of protests have been violent. And I’d wager that the average looter has never chanted that. But it’s a great scare tactic, to lead people to believe that that chant is a threat of violence. It certainly fits the narrative that all of us peaceful protesters are coming for you to hurt you and need to be stopped.

I have no problem with those who stand on a street corner and chant whatever they like while waving signs around. But when they go into businesses and demand people chant their slogans, or drag people out of cars and beat them with bricks, or burn down businesses and homes, or start wildfires, then I have a problem with it.
I also have a problem with them threatening businesses and organizations into advertising for them. Fortunately, those that do are reaping the consequences of it and will continue to do so until they cease.

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