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Look BH, you're beating the bushes in unbelief.

I'm just showing you the way and telling you that all will be condemned under Law of any kind.

Charlie24 said:

Look BH, you're beating the bushes in unbelief.

I'm just showing you the way and telling you that all will be condemned under Law of any kind.

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Problem is that you are not addressing any of the verses I put forth to you. So you are not showing any way at all but what you want to be true (despite what the Bible says).

Charlie24 said:

Look BH, you're beating the bushes in unbelief.

I'm just showing you the way and telling you that all will be condemned under Law of any kind.

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Was king David saved WHILE he committed his sins of adultery and murder?

Yes, or no?

Bible Highlighter said:

Problem is that you are not addressing any of the verses I put forth to you. So you are not showing any way at all but what you want to be true (despite what the Bible says).

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I can't address any of them because your mind is on Law and not Grace.

Bible Highlighter said:

Was king David saved WHILE he committed his sins of adultery and murder?

Yes, or no?

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The only way anyone can lose their salvation is by denouncing Christ.

We find those verses in Scripture because some of the Jews were denouncing Christ and going back to temple worship, the Law.

They forfeited their salvation when doing so.

Charlie24 said:

I can't address any of them because your mind is on Law and not Grace.

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Don't do it to help me, but do it to help readers who come across this forum.

Charlie24 said:

The only way anyone can lose their salvation is by denouncing Christ.

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Ah, so you are a Free Will Baptist?

You said:

We find those verses in Scripture because some of the Jews were denouncing Christ and going back to temple worship, the Law.

They forfeited their salvation when doing so.

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I agree that going back to the Old Testament Law of Moses (as a whole or package deal) is forfeiting one's salvation. We not under the 613 laws of Moses as a whole. For if we seek to be justified by the Law (i.e. the Law of Moses), we have fallen from grace. However, we are under the commands that come from Jesus and His followers. We are saved initially and foundationally by God's grace.

Charlie24 said:

I can't address any of them because your mind is on Law and not Grace.

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I believe the real reason why you will not answer such questions is because it will show that Belief Alone-ism is morally bankrupt.

Again, was king David saved WHILE he committed his sins of adultery and murder?

Yes, or no?

Before you said you did not agree that God's grace is not a license to sin. Yet, if king David was saved WHILE he committed his sins of adultery and murder, then that means a believer can do these same sins and still be saved. Meaning, they have a license to sin because no sin can separate them from God because they have a belief alone in Jesus. Well, that is except for denouncing Christ, and or going back to the whole of the Old Law (in your book).

Is denouncing Christ a sin? I would say that it is.
All sin is the breaking of God's laws.
For 1 John 3:4 says, “sin is the transgression of the law.”
So your belief is not consistent. You say it is all grace, but there are some laws that one can break and be unforgiven, right?

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Oh, and check out post #130. It tells us that king David was not saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder.

Agallagher said:

Yes.
Hebrew 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.

Im not saying it is good to kill though or anything you might go to prison.

Also all the prophets seemed to have killed someone or have cursed God.

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King David was not saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder:

#1. Numbers 35:16-18 says it only takes one act of murder to be a murderer; And Leviticus 20:10 says it only takes one act of adultery to be an adulterer.

#2. Jesus Himself regarded just looking at a woman once as an act of adultery (Matthew 5:28).

#3. John says, "No murderer has eternal life abiding in them." (1 John 3:15).

#4. Proverbs 6:32 says "Whosoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul."

#5. Jesus Himself says that just looking at a woman in lust (Which is adultery) is potential for a person to be cast bodily in hell fire (See Matthew 5:28-30).

#6. David needed to confess of his sin in order to be forgiven (See Psalms 51).

#7. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

#8. Revelation 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Murderers and whoremongers will be cast into the lake of fire. All liars will be cast into the lake of fire. ALL liars, and not just some. NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15).

Agallagher said:

Bruh your not arguing with me.

You are arguing with scripture.

32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.

You are fully capable of reading.

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Not true. You are not properly reading the Scriptures that I posted.
Please go back and carefully read them slowly.

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Maybe you are right @Bible Highlighter.


I do not know anything.

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I am not saying you don't know anything. I am just saying that you are incorrect on this particular point, my friend. You mentioned Samson. He surely seemed like a man who made a lot of mistakes or had sin on his record. We got to see a lot of them recorded in Scripture. But what of his righteous deeds? We do not know his whole story. He acted righteously in being a judge for Israel. I believe Samson did one last act of righteousness by asking God for help in destroying his enemies.

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@Bible Highlighter What is your purpose, for going around and trying to question people about what they know about the bible?

What do you think is the ultimate goal in a Christians life?

Is it to go around questioning others and see if you can rile them up, or prove your point to be over them?

Seriously ask yourself these questions.

Unfortunately I'm getting to the point of just ignoring you on here.

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My intention is not to rile them up, but for them to see the truth of what God's Word says.
I see it as highly immoral and as a violation of God's Holy Word to say that believers can be saved while they commit mortal sin. Believers need to confess and forsake their sin in order to obtain mercy.

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My intention is not to rile them up, but for them to see the truth of what God's Word says.
I see it as highly immoral and as a violation of God's Holy Word to say that believers can be saved while they commit mortal sin. Believers need to confess and forsake their sin in order to obtain mercy.

• Great. Live that out in the real world, and see how it goes.

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No doubt we should live out the faith. But I am not sure why you would suggest or imply that I am not living the faith (Which is not nice or loving to imply otherwise). God's Word lets us know that Paul fought the good fight of faith (See: 2 Timothy 4:7). This means we also have to fight the good fight of faith. My impression is that in your belief on Soteriology and Sanctification, there is nothing to fight for. Just sit back and relax. No sin can separate you from God. So need to love, or make peace with others. The difference between my faith and your faith is that you don't have to work out your salvation with fear and trembling according to Philippians 2:12. There is a lot for me to lose if I do not continue in the faith and obey God. In your version of the faith: I don't really have to worry about anything concerning the faith. But even the demons believe and tremble (See: James 2:19)

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I also do not believe what you are saying in your above statement, if anything you are just trying to live what you believe by sharing the scriptures on the internet so you can be conformed into your belief you are creating for yourself.

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Again, it is not loving to imply I am lying about not trying to rile men up, but to lead them to the truth. Your lack of not believing me does not change the truth. My goal is not to rile them up, but for them to see God's truth in His Word. Whether you believe me or not, it does not matter. God knows the truth and my heart in following His Word. On judgment day: If it is God's will: The Lord will testify that I was being truthful with you on this matter.

Now, I know that men will by default will be riled up by my preaching the Word but this is because they don't like the verses that I show them, but that is on them and not me. I am merely the messenger, and it is my hope that they will not shoot the messenger; But sometimes it happens. I have been called some pretty bad stuff on other Christian forums over the years for sharing the truth of His Word. But did I return with calling them names, etc.? No. My goal is to love, and pray for my enemies just as Jesus taught. My intent is that nobody should perish but that all should come to repentance. Unfortunately I know that Jesus says narrow is the way. I don't know who will make it. So I preach and pray and hope that the seeds of the Word of God I plant will be watered by another whereby God will give the increase.

Tell me all your sins. Lets confess to one another @Bible Highlighter

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It is written,


Also, the forum rules suggests that we are not to address the poster or the individual personally, but we are to stick to the topic with Scripture (no doubt so as to prevent heated debates and bitter disagreements).

In addition, would you believe me if I told you about my life? Well, trust needs to be earned. I confide in those who believe the Word of God as I do. You don't accept the Word as it is written at this time. So you would not believe me even I told you about my life. Furthermore, it does not matter if most of the whole world was not living correctly. God's Word is still the standard and the standard is not my life alone. God destroyed an entire world with a global flood except for eight people. We walk by faith and not by sight. I am not above God's Word in what it says anymore than you are. If the Bible tells me to be ye holy, that is something I have to accept (Whether I like it or not).

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I have manipulated, and abused people. Lied, and stolen money. I have used drugs, and have looked lustfully upon women in my life. I have hated people. I have used inappropriate contentography. Desired once to Kill my own mother. (God Prevented that)

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Believers need to confess and forsake such sins in order to have mercy.

For it is written:

“He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.” (Proverbs 28:13).

But by what you have written so far, you don't believe that.
So this means that no real corrective action needs to take place entirely.
A believer in your view can continue in sin on some level with the thinking they are saved by having a belief alone in Jesus.

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It was super easy to do when God was no were near me.

These are my sins.

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So you are saying that you have overcome grievous or mortal sin?
You no longer do any sin that the Bible condemns?

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This is to make a point that NO ONE IS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE.

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Ah, I see. You were not really trying to say that your version of faith leads to having the right fruit in a believer's life? That no believer can bring forth good fruit?
Jesus said you will know them by their fruits (Matthew 7:16).

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We have all fallen short to the glory of God, who is the glory of God? Lord Jesus Christ. Who came down to save sinners.

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If you believe that Romans 3:10, and Romans 3:23 is in reference to the believer's present current walk with God and it is not in reference to initial salvation via by receiving God's grace and then having a changed life to live righteously, then you must believe Romans 3:11 is in reference to the current walk of the believer, too.


Are you saying that believers today do not have any understanding, and they do not seek after God? That is what you must believe if you interpret Romans 3:10, and Romans 3:23 in the way that you do.

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Why? To hide the truth of God's Word? Truth should not remain hidden.