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Like I said, in my experience, when I tell a person a verse or passage, they do not tend to believe that verse or passage sometimes. Take for example Matthew 5:28-30. Most will say that these words of Jesus do not apply to the life of the believer today. They misinterpret Paul to undo the words of Jesus. But Paul said in 1 Timothy 6:3-4 that if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing. Funny, when I tell most Christians about these kinds of passages together, it is like they are in a fog and they don't know what to say to make sense out of them.



Romans 6:14 that says “you are not under the law” is in reference to the 613 Laws of Moses.

Any time Paul referred to the word “law” generically, it was in reference to the 613 Laws of Moses.

Why? If we do the study on every time Paul mentions the word “law” generically, we see in the context a reference to the Old Law, and Paul does not reference the unique laws or commands of Jesus, and His followers; John 1:17 says that the Law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. But most Christians today take the word “law” out of context when they read Paul and they make it refer to the laws or commands that come from Jesus and His followers, too. They think that Paul is referring to all forms of Law when this is not the case. 1 John 3:23 says that to believe in Jesus is a commandment (a.k.a. law). Jesus even gave us new commandments. Surely Paul was not speaking against the words of Jesus in what He commanded of us. But that is what many today are saying. They are saying we can sin and still be saved, and we cannot be condemned by any Law of any kind. This is wrong, and it is not what the Bible teaches.
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Like I said, in my experience, when I tell a person a verse or passage, they do not tend to believe that verse or passage sometimes. Take for example Matthew 5:28-30. Most will say that these words of Jesus do not apply to the life of the believer today. They misinterpret Paul to undo the words of Jesus. But Paul said in 1 Timothy 6:3-4 that if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing. Funny, when I tell most Christians about these kinds of passages together, it is like they are in a fog and they don't know what to say to make sense out of them.



Romans 6:14 that says “you are not under the law” is in reference to the 613 Laws of Moses.

Any time Paul referred to the word “law” generically, it was in reference to the 613 Laws of Moses.

Why? If we do the study on every time Paul mentions the word “law” generically, we see in the context a reference to the Old Law, and Paul does not reference the unique laws or commands of Jesus, and His followers; John 1:17 says that the Law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. But most Christians today take the word “law” out of context when they read Paul and they make it refer to the laws or commands that come from Jesus and His followers, too. They think that Paul is referring to all forms of Law when this is not the case. 1 John 3:23 says that to believe in Jesus is a commandment (a.k.a. law). Jesus even gave us new commandments. Surely Paul was not speaking against the words of Jesus in what He commanded of us. But that is what many today are saying. They are saying we can sin and still be saved, and we cannot be condemned by any Law of any kind. This is wrong, and it is not what the Bible teaches.
Thank you.



Like I said, in my experience, when I tell a person a verse or passage, they do not tend to believe that verse or passage sometimes. Take for example Matthew 5:28-30. Most will say that these words of Jesus do not apply to the life of the believer today. They misinterpret Paul to undo the words of Jesus. But Paul said in 1 Timothy 6:3-4 that if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing. Funny, when I tell most Christians about these kinds of passages together, it is like they are in a fog and they don't know what to say to make sense out of them.



Romans 6:14 that says “you are not under the law” is in reference to the 613 Laws of Moses.

Any time Paul referred to the word “law” generically, it was in reference to the 613 Laws of Moses.

Why? If we do the study on every time Paul mentions the word “law” generically, we see in the context a reference to the Old Law, and Paul does not reference the unique laws or commands of Jesus, and His followers; John 1:17 says that the Law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. But most Christians today take the word “law” out of context when they read Paul and they make it refer to the laws or commands that come from Jesus and His followers, too. They think that Paul is referring to all forms of Law when this is not the case. 1 John 3:23 says that to believe in Jesus is a commandment (a.k.a. law). Jesus even gave us new commandments. Surely Paul was not speaking against the words of Jesus in what He commanded of us. But that is what many today are saying. They are saying we can sin and still be saved, and we cannot be condemned by any Law of any kind. This is wrong, and it is not what the Bible teaches.

You can't keep the Law of Moses but you can keep the Law of Christ?

What a sad commentary! You are basing your eternal destiny on being able to keep the commandments of Christ when you know that is impossible. What's worse than this is that you are teaching others to do the same.

If you place your faith in any Laws there is no mercy, Law condemns if you can't keep every single one of them.

Faith alone in Jesus Christ is the only way for the sinner to find mercy in the day of Judgement. That's what we are, sinners needing mercy.
 
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You can't keep the Law of Moses but you can keep the Law of Christ?

Then you never read this verse before?

“Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.” (Galatians 6:2).

See, when I read this verse, it says that I can fulfill the law of Christ. You are saying I can't do that. Who am I going to believe? You, or the Bible? I choose the Bible.

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What a sad commentary!

I understand why you think it is sad.
Ever heard of the saying that nothing good in life comes easy?
Things are not as we wish them to be.
My commentary is true to what the Word says. If you disagree with my commentary, you need to prove that it is not true. I mean, do you just ignore the sins of the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 3. Do you just ignore how God will destroy the temple if they defile it? Do you ignore the words of Paul when he says for us not to be deceived on the matter about how the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? If so, then that is sad - IMO.

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You are basing your eternal destiny on being able to keep the commandments of Christ when you know that is impossible.

Who told you that keeping the commandments of Christ was impossible?
You said that I know it is impossible to keep them. Sorry, I do not share your belief in a sin and still be saved gospel. I believe the words of Jesus when He said the following,

“But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.” (Matthew 19:26).

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What's worse than this is that you are teaching others to do the same.

I can say the same for you. But the fact of the matter is if the truth is on your side, then you would be able to explain the parable entirely using both the chapter, and other cross references in Scripture. You have not done that. In fact, I know you cannot do that without mutiliating the text to say something different than what it says. But go ahead and try if you want.

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If you place your faith in any Laws there is no mercy, Law condemns if you can't keep every single one of them.

So you are not under the Law or Command in 1 John 3:23? This command is a salvation issue. The command is to believe on Jesus. Are you not under this command?

Can you please tell me where in the Bible where we cannot keep the commands of Jesus?
What apostle says this? Please give the chapter and verse please.

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Faith alone in Jesus Christ is the only way for the sinner to find mercy in the day of Judgement. That's what we are, sinners needing mercy.

This is what you have been taught but it is not what the Bible teaches. Yes, we are initially and foundationally saved by God's grace through faith in Christ, but believers need to also enter the Sanctification Process after they are saved by God's grace as a part of the salvation process.
 
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We have all seen your list of Christ Laws that you insist we must keep in order to remain saved.

That is a mixed faith along with Christ's sacrifice which is luke-warn and will be spewed out.

Did you ever bother to read the context of Revelation 3:16?

15 “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”
(Revelation 3:15-16).

Nothing here about mingling faith with works as the reason why Jesus spewed the Laodicean church out of his mouth. On the contrary, if you were to look at verse 15, it talks about how it is their works is the issue. They are neither cold nor hot in their passion for the Lord.

Revelation 22:14-15 says,

“Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.”
 
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You can't keep the Law of Moses but you can keep the Law of Christ?

What a sad commentary! You are basing your eternal destiny on being able to keep the commandments of Christ when you know that is impossible. What's worse than this is that you are teaching others to do the same.

If you place your faith in any Laws there is no mercy, Law condemns if you can't keep every single one of them.

Faith alone in Jesus Christ is the only way for the sinner to find mercy in the day of Judgement. That's what we are, sinners needing mercy.

After we are saved by God's grace,
God’s works (done through us) are also required as a part of the Salvation Process:



(Here are a List of Verses):


#1. “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).

#2. "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:17-18).

#3. "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

#4. "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing," (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

Supplemental verse:

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." (James 4:6).​

#5. "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).

#6. "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).

#7. “...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (2 Thessalonians 2:13).

Supplemental verses:

(a) “That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” (2 Thessalonians 2:12).

(b) “...and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, Comfort your hearts, and establish you in every good word and work.” (2 Thessalonians 2:16-17).​

#8. “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1).

Supplemental verse:

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).​

#9. "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema [accursed] Maranatha."(1 Corinthians 16:22).

Supplemental verses:

(a) "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15).

(b) “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15:10).​

#10. ”And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.” (Luke 10:25-28).

#11. “...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” (Matthew 19:17-19).

#12. "And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:38). ”If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? (Matthew 16:24-26).

#13. "...No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:62) (cf. Luke 8:11-15, 1 Corinthians 4:15).

#14. "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).

Supplemental verses:

(a) "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1:21).

(b) “Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.” (James 1:12).

(c) "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:20).​

#15. “And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:29).

#16. ”And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:12-15).

#17. “For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).

#18. “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:12-13).

#19. ”Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” (Matthew 25:34-40).
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Matthew 25:41-46).

#20. ”His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” (Matthew 25:21).
”And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 25:30).

#21. “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

#22. “He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8:47).

#23. “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7) (cf. 1 John 2:9-11).

#24. “For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:20).

#25. “Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.” (Matthew 7:24-27).

#26. “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21).

Supplementary verse:

“For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication” (1 Thessalonians 4:3).​

#27. “And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet [Jesus], shall be destroyed from among the people.” (Acts of the Apostles 3:23).

#28. “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.’ (John 15:5-6).

Supplementary verses:

(a) “Bring forth therefore fruits befitting for repentance” (Matthew 3:8).

(b) “And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” (Matthew 3:10).​

#29. “And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.” (1 Peter 4:18-19).

#30. “For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” (Galatians 6:8-9).
 
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Then you never read this verse before?

“Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.” (Galatians 6:2).

See, when I read this verse, it says that I can fulfill the law of Christ. You are saying I can't do that. Who am I going to believe? You, or the Bible? I choose the Bible.



I understand why you think it is sad.
Ever heard of the saying that nothing good in life comes easy?
Things are not as we wish them to be.
My commentary is true to what the Word says. If you disagree with my commentary, you need to prove that it is not true. I mean, do you just ignore the sins of the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 3. Do you just ignore how God will destroy the temple if they defile it? Do you ignore the words of Paul when he says for us not to be deceived on the matter about how the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God. If so, then that is sad - IMO.



Who told you that keeping the commandments of Christ was impossible?
You said that I know it is impossible to keep them. Sorry, I do not share your belief in a sin and still be saved gospel. I believe the words of Jesus when He said the following,

“But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.” (Matthew 19:26).



I can say the same for you. But the fact of the matter is if the truth is on your side, then you would be able to explain the parable entirely using both the chapter, and other cross references in Scripture. You have not done that. In fact, I know you cannot do that without mutiliating the text to say something different than what it says. But go ahead and try if you want.



So you are not under the Law or Command in 1 John 3:23? This command is a salvation issue. The command is to believe on Jesus. Are you not under this command?

Can you please tell me where in the Bible where we cannot keep the commands of Jesus?
What apostle says this? Please give the chapter and verse please.



This is what you have been taught but it is not what the Bible teaches. Yes, we are initially and foundationally saved by God's grace through faith in Christ, but believers need to also enter the Sanctification Process after they are saved by God's grace as a part of the salvation process.

The difference between you and me is that I have no faith in Charlie to do anything that God wants from me. As Paul said, for I know there is no good thing that dwells in me.

I don't depend on myself to keep Christ's Law, I can't do that as Paul couldn't do it.

I depend totally, 100% on the ability of Christ to perform a good work in me!

100% of my faith in in Him that He will do this, not me in any shape or form.

I read my Bible and do my best to do the right thing in all circumstances, no matter what. I leave the good works totally in the hands of the Holy Spirit.

I have no list to remind of what to do, the good works come from His timing not mine, all I do is respond at the time in obedience.
 
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Read the verses in my post #105 very slowly and carefully. If you read them and still believe as you do, I cannot help you. No person who is not seeking to change what the Bible says can walk away and say these verses mean something else. Only a person who does not like what they say will seek to change them.
 
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The difference between you and me is that I have no faith in Charlie to do anything that God wants from me. As Paul said, for I know there is no good thing that dwells in me.

I don't depend on myself to keep Christ's Law, I can't do that as Paul couldn't do it.

I depend totally, 100% on the ability of Christ to perform a good work in me!

100% of my faith in in Him that He will do this, not me in any shape or form.

I read my Bible and do my best to do the right thing in all circumstances, no matter what. I leave the good works totally in the hands of the Holy Spirit.

I have no list to remind of what to do, the good works come from His timing not mine, all I do is respond at the time in obedience.

I believe that I am nothing, and Christ is everything. I believe that no believer can do a good work apart from the Lord abiding in them. God does the good work through the believer. The problem is that Belief Alone-ism gives me the impression that a believer can sin and still be saved on some level. Belief Alone-ism gives me the impression that one does not have to be fruitful for God, and one can live as they please. But Jesus said we cannot serve two masters.
 
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The difference between you and me is that I have no faith in Charlie to do anything that God wants from me. As Paul said, for I know there is no good thing that dwells in me.

I don't depend on myself to keep Christ's Law, I can't do that as Paul couldn't do it.

I depend totally, 100% on the ability of Christ to perform a good work in me!

100% of my faith in in Him that He will do this, not me in any shape or form.

I read my Bible and do my best to do the right thing in all circumstances, no matter what. I leave the good works totally in the hands of the Holy Spirit.

I have no list to remind of what to do, the good works come from His timing not mine, all I do is respond at the time in obedience.

Jesus said narrow is the way.
Does sinning with the thinking one is saved sound like the narrow way?
Can God agree with sin?
He would have to if we believe we can sin and still be saved.
That's the problem with Belief Alone-ism.
 
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I believe that I am nothing, and Christ is everything. I believe that no believer can do a good work apart from the Lord abiding in them. God does the good work through the believer. The problem is that Belief Alone-ism gives me the impression that a believer can sin and still be saved on some level. Belief Alone-ism gives me the impression that one does not have to be fruitful for God, and one can live as they please. But Jesus said we cannot serve two masters.

Paul tells us in Rom 6:1-11 that Grace is not a licence to sin.

What shall we say then, Shall we continue to sin that Grace may abound. Paul says no!

Faith in Christ alone is all that God will accept, nothing less.
 
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Paul tells us in Rom 6:1-11 that Grace is not a licence to sin.

So do you believe king David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder?
What about a believer? Do they lose their salvation if they sin? If they don't, then they can sin as much as they want and still be saved, right? For no believer can lose their salvation, right?

You said:
What shall we say then, Shall we continue to sin that Grace may abound. Paul says no!

But see, the problem is that if you tell a child that Jesus saves not based on anything they do and all they have to do is believe in Jesus, and it is not in what they do, then they can turn out to be the next George Sodini. Who is George Sodini?

George was a huge proponent of OSAS or a belief alone in Jesus plus nothing else. In fact, he wrote in his suicide letter that he would still be saved even despite the evil acts that he was about to commit. George Sodini ended up killing a bunch of people and then he took his own life.

eternal security - George Sodini

After the grizzly incident, those at his own church said he was saved despite what he did.

You said:
Faith in Christ alone is all that God accept, nothing less.

George Sodini would agree with you. I wouldn't because the Bible does not teach such a thing. Again, look at the verses in post #105.
 
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So do you believe king David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder?
What about a believer? Do they lose their salvation if they sin? If they don't, then they can sin as much as they want and still be saved, right? For no believer can lose their salvation, right?



But see, the problem is that if you tell a child that Jesus saves not based on anything they do and all they have to do is believe in Jesus, and it is not in what they do, then they can turn out to be the next George Sodini. Who is George Sodini?

Georg was a huge proponent of OSAS or a belief alone in Jesus plus nothing else. In fact, he wrote in his suicide letter that he would still be saved even despite the evil acts that he was about to commit. George Sodini ended up killing a bunch of people and then he took his own life.

eternal security - George Sodini

After the grizzly incident, those at his own church said he was saved despite what he did.



George Sodini would agree with you. I wouldn't because the Bible does not teach such a thing. Again, look at the verses in post #105.

Of course you don't believe faith in Christ alone is the only way, you're entangled in Law.
 
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Of course you don't believe faith in Christ alone is the only way, you're entangled in Law.

Paul was referring to the Law of Moses and not all law. If you believe otherwise, then prove your case with the Bible. Also, this reply does not adequately address what I had written in my post, either.
 
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Of course you don't believe faith in Christ alone is the only way, you're entangled in Law.

Do you believe king David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder?

Yes, or no?

Can a believer do the same thing?
 
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Of course you don't believe faith in Christ alone is the only way, you're entangled in Law.

What do you make of George Sodini?
He believed in faith alone in Christ alone and nothing else and yet he murdered a bunch of people and took his own life. He wrote in his own suicide letter that he would be saved. His own church members after the grizzly incident said he was also saved. According to OSAS or Belief Alone-ism, George should be saved. Do you agree?
 
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Paul was referring to the Law of Moses and not all law. If you believe otherwise, then prove your case with the Bible. Also, this reply does not adequately address what I had written in my post, either.

Law is Law, when you commit yourself to it, you are bound by it.

Jesus ministry was under the Law, guess what, He had to teach Law, He was bound by it.

But after He brought Grace through His sacrifice, the great Apostle Paul explains it all.

We are no longer bound by the Law, Christ has brought us Grace.

Our faith is no longer in the Law, but in the One who delivered us from the Law.

It's called faith alone in Christ!
 
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Of course you don't believe faith in Christ alone is the only way, you're entangled in Law.

Then maybe you should correct Jesus. For Jesus said, “if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17).

Also, in Luke 10, we read:

25 “And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.”
(Luke 10:25-28).
 
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Law is Law, when you commit yourself to it, you are bound by it.

Jesus ministry was under the Law, guess what, He had to teach Law, He was bound by it.

But after He brought Grace through His sacrifice, the great Apostle Paul explains it all.

We are no longer bound by the Law, Christ has brought us Grace.

Our faith is no longer in the Law, but in the One who delivered us from the Law.

It's called faith alone in Christ!

Paul said if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ, and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

James 4:6 says God resists the proud and He gives grace to the humble.

Side Note:

Yes, it is true that Christ was under the Old Covenant during His earthly ministry before the cross, but you fail to understand that Christ was making changes to the Law even before His death.

An eye for an eye was changed to turning the other cheek.
Making oaths was changed to not making any oaths at all.
A woman who should have been stoned according to the Law for adultery was not stoned.
And the list goes on and on.

On top of that, Christ gave us new commands. His followers gave commandments. Even the apostle Paul gave us commands. In fact, Paul said that what he has written should be regarded as the commandments of the Lord (1 Corinthians 14:37). So why would Paul say this if it is all about grace and no law of any kind now? Things do not add up as you say.
 
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What do you make of George Sodini?
He believed in faith alone in Christ alone and nothing else and yet he murdered a bunch of people and took his own life. He wrote in his own suicide letter that he would be saved. His own church members after the grizzly incident said he was also saved. According to OSAS or Belief Alone-ism, George should be saved. Do you agree?

So we base the authenticity of a doctrine on the experiences of one man?

The man after Gods own heart was also a murderer.
 
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So we base the authenticity of a doctrine on the experiences of one man?

The man after Gods own heart was also a murderer.

Yes, this is true that king David was a murderer, but King David confessed of his sins and he was forgiven of them via by confessing of them in Psalms 51. David was not saved WHILE he was committing his sins of adultery and murder.
 
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