If you were selling your home would you allow someone to buy it if you knew they were gay?

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If I were to sell my house knowing that it would help others to sin wouldn't I be helping them sin? Wouldn't that be going against the word of God?

Hetero, homo or whatever it's still the same principle. Disregard the type of sin and let me know your thoughts on my perspective. Am I looking at this all wrong? Are we as Christians or any other faith supposed to help people go against our beliefs?

If you were to give a starving sinner food wouldn't that food only facilitate his sinful lifestyle (in that, your keeping him alive?)?

We do things in charity, first for God's people, then for the lost in the hopes that the lost learn the love of God and perhaps someday will be inclined toward seeking His face after learning of HIS great love of them even while they were sinners.

We don't refuse to rent to them or sell to them etc. unless there is really good cause.
 
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If you were to give a starving sinner food wouldn't that food only facilitate his sinful lifestyle (in that, your keeping him alive?)?

We do things in charity, first for God's people, then for the lost in the hopes that the lost learn the love of God and perhaps someday will be inclined toward seeking His face after learning of HIS great love of them even while they were sinners.

We don't refuse to rent to them or sell to them etc. unless there is really good cause.

Idk. I'm trying to figure it all out.

If you knew that after the guy got his strength back he was going to kill or rob someone would you still feed him? It's not about maybe or if. In this case we know that they are gay. We know what they are doing or are going to be doing. At the point of knowing we are then faced with what to do. Do we further the sin or do we say no I love you and can't help you in getting to hell.

That's where I'm at with this. Do we strengthen the hand of evil or do we say no?
 
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Idk. I'm trying to figure it all out.

If you knew that after the guy got his strength back he was going to kill or rob someone would you still feed him? It's not about maybe or if. In this case we know that they are gay. We know what they are doing or are going to be doing. At the point of knowing we are then faced with what to do. Do we further the sin or do we say no I love you and can't help you in getting to hell.

That's where I'm at with this. Do we strengthen the hand of evil or do we say no?

If I knew someone was going to kill another human being in the future, I would speak to them about the value we as Christians find in life in hopes of deterring them from their plans.

We give our testimony to the world of Christ in all the things we do in His Name.

If Christ saved me, He is most certainly capable of saving a homosexual or anyone else for that matter.

Christ doesn't give me the responsibility of condemning the world (1 Corinthians 5:12-13) He gives me the responsibility of sharing the Christ I've come to know and love with those outside the church... the rest is His job.
 
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You're essentially saying, then, that a "true believer" is righteous in every action that stems from his "true belief"....as though nobody might actually be deceived by Satan.

No I am not saying that at all. . I have not proposed that taking any aggressive action against someone is the same as refraining from opposing God or that refraining from opposing God makes one righteous. I am saying that if a person does something they truly believe is wrong in the eyes of God that person is doing something wrong and purposely doing wrong iu.e opposing God is sin. I did not say a person could not be deceived into doing a bad thing while thinking it was the right thing to do. The act of purposely opposing God is a sin in itself no matter what form that opposition takes. Many are capable of rationalizing how what they want to do is a good thing and what God seems to say is not what He actually means. My point isn't that we get to decide that whatever we do is righteous . My one point is that purposely opposing God is a sin. Not committing a specific sinful action does not make one righteous nor does committing a specific act that God opposes make one evil. Obedience is not the same as righteousness.

You seem to be conflating not purposely acting in what one considers a sinful way with acting righteously. They are not equivalent. If I don't steal from you it is not the same as caring for you and putting your welfare above my own. The former would be simple obedience to a specific OT covenant commandment and the latter would be acting righteously under both the old and the new covenant. Your audacious example of killing people is one in which one would decide that God has called on one to go and kill someone. That is not the same as one deciding that doing a particular thing is sinful so one should not do it which is what my original point on was. abut. You wished to take an extreme example that was not actually like my point to debate upon. So I stretched as widely as you and said if one truly believed that god called upn them to kill someone one woudl be sinning to refrain from obeying God's command. That did not make that person righteous it only show that person to be obedient in the one particular case. He sometimes did issue such a command in the OT. Those that were called on to kill were not the ones deciding that that God wanted them to do so but rather were ordered by direct communication and revelation from God . Those that wished to stay on His good side obeyed. How a Christian could possibly rationalize such a thing is beyond my comprehension in light of the teachings of Jesus. If one wants to be righteous obedience is not enough.
 
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If I knew someone was going to kill another human being in the future, I would speak to them about the value we as Christians find in life in hopes of deterring them from their plans.

We give our testimony to the world of Christ in all the things we do in His Name.

If Christ saved me, He is most certainly capable of saving a homosexual or anyone else for that matter.

Christ doesn't give me the responsibility of condemning the world (1 Corinthians 5:12-13) He gives me the responsibility of sharing the Christ I've come to know and love with those outside the church... the rest is His job.

I'm still not convinced. Everything I read and all examples set forth in the bible keep bringing me back to seeing it as wrong. I want to serve the Lord.

Proverbs 8:13 “To fear the LORD is to hate evil

Job 8:20 Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man, neither will He help the evildoers

For to long we have have strengthened the hand of the evil doer. If Jesus is to be our example and he won't help the evildoers who are we to help them?
 
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I'm still not convinced. Everything I read and all examples set forth in the bible keep bringing me back to seeing it as wrong. I want to serve the Lord.

Proverbs 8:13 “To fear the LORD is to hate evil

Job 8:20 Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man, neither will He help the evildoers

For to long we have have strengthened the hand of the evil doer. If Jesus is to be our example and he won't help the evildoers who are we to help them?

You are mis-identifying what is "evil" and who are the "evildoers."

For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son. -- John 3

For if, while we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son,
....
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
-- Romans 5

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. -- Ephesians 6

Here is something to keep in mind about those who do not know Christ:

The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. -- Romans 8

You're trying to control the actions of people who don't have the ability to not sin. They can't do anything righteous. You couldn't perform a righteous act yourself, nor could I, until Christ made it possible.

You're blaming people for failing to do what scripture says is impossible for them to do.
 
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I'm still not convinced. Everything I read and all examples set forth in the bible keep bringing me back to seeing it as wrong. I want to serve the Lord.

Proverbs 8:13 “To fear the LORD is to hate evil

Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man, neither will He help the evildoers

For to long we have have strengthened the hand of the evil doer. If Jesus is to be our example and he won't help the evildoers who are we to help them?
By selling a home, are you helping them do evil or just helping them with a roof over their head? While I understand your desire to ebb the flow of evil, there is a line in which we can not dictate someone else's life. While we can pray and plant seeds, we are not to be cruel or behave like we are authorized to punish.
 
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Taken to the letter of the law it would become pretty difficult to sell a house. If you're going to rule out homosexuals, what are you going to do about the gluttons, the adulterers, the blasphemers, the fornicators, the shrimp eaters, the women who won't cover their heads in church, those with lying lips, the 2nd marriage folk who divorced for the wrong reasons? And the list goes on and on. Making a living as a Realtor could get pretty tough.

Jesus' parable of the wheat and tares says the servants are to let the wheat and tares grow together, and the owner will have them separated at the harvest. Who are the servants? Who are the wheat? Who are the tares? Who is the owner? When is the harvest?
 
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By selling a home, are you helping them do evil or just helping them with a roof over their head? While I understand your desire to ebb the flow of evil, there is a line in which we can not dictate someone else's life. While we can pray and plant seeds, we are not to be cruel or behave like we are authorized to punish.

I'm just trying to understand by going through scripture for an answer. Before the question was asked I wouldn't even have thought about it. The general consensus is to love, help and accept homosexuality. I'm not seeing that backed up by the bible. I know we've been taught that over the years but I'm not sure now that it's the right way to go. We have been strengthening the hand of evil and letting it flourish.
 
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You are mis-identifying what is "evil" and who are the "evildoers."

For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son. -- John 3

For if, while we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son,
....
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
-- Romans 5

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. -- Ephesians 6

Here is something to keep in mind about those who do not know Christ:

The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. -- Romans 8

You're trying to control the actions of people who don't have the ability to not sin. They can't do anything righteous. You couldn't perform a righteous act yourself, nor could I, until Christ made it possible.

You're blaming people for failing to do what scripture says is impossible for them to do.

The scripture is pretty clear so far. It sounds to me like you are saying that it doesn't apply. Please if you have anything I'm missing then show me.

The topic wasn't about a gay couple that was seeking the lords help so we have to see that as a gay couple that is rejecting Christ. I'm not finding anything that says to help further sin.
 
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I'm just trying to understand by going through scripture for an answer. Before the question was asked I wouldn't even have thought about it. The general consensus is to love, help and accept homosexuality. I'm not seeing that backed up by the bible. I know we've been taught that over the years but I'm not sure now that it's the right way to go. We have been strengthening the hand of evil and letting it flourish.

No, the consensus has not been "...to love, help and accept homosexuality."

Nobody has suggested that homosexuality should be loved, helped, or accepted.

Jesus spoke to two women who were guilty of adultery. Do you believe He accepted their adultery? Yet...what was His approach to them?
 
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No, the consensus has not been "...to love, help and accept homosexuality."

Nobody has suggested that homosexuality should be loved, helped, or accepted.

Jesus spoke to two women who were guilty of adultery. Do you believe He accepted their adultery? Yet...what was His approach to them?

John 8? He told her to go and sin no more. He didn't sell her a house so that she could continue to sin.
 
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You are mis-identifying what is "evil" and who are the "evildoers."

For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son. -- John 3

For if, while we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son,
....
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
-- Romans 5

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. -- Ephesians 6

Here is something to keep in mind about those who do not know Christ:

The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. -- Romans 8

You're trying to control the actions of people who don't have the ability to not sin. They can't do anything righteous. You couldn't perform a righteous act yourself, nor could I, until Christ made it possible.

You're blaming people for failing to do what scripture says is impossible for them to do.

Evil - Holman Bible Dictionary - Bible Dictionary

I looked up the evil angle and as far as I can tell it applies. I'm looking for a way to believe what we have been taught but so far I'm unable to justify it. I can't find any examples of helping someone who doesn't want Christ in their life or helping to strengthen their cause by supporting them.
 
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Evil - Holman Bible Dictionary - Bible Dictionary

I looked up the evil angle and as far as I can tell it applies. I'm looking for a way to believe what we have been taught but so far I'm unable to justify it. I can't find any examples of helping someone who doesn't want Christ in their life or helping to strengthen their cause by supporting them.

Then it sounds like you were already at the answer you were satisfied with when you opened the topic.
 
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Then it sounds like you were already at the answer you were satisfied with when you opened the topic.

The point though is I'm not satisfied. I wasn't taught to put people aside because they didn't believe. Until I started looking up scripture I honestly thought we were to help. I was hoping to find a different answer.
 
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The point though is I'm not satisfied. I wasn't taught to put people aside because they didn't believe. Until I started looking up scripture I honestly thought we were to help. I was hoping to find a different answer.

Of course you're satisfied with the conclusion you've come to. That's why you continue to argue.
 
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Of course you're satisfied with the conclusion you've come to. That's why you continue to argue.

I believe the word and will follow where it leads. It's not always easy to understand and if I was wrong I was hoping someone would point it out. So far nothing counters what I've read.
 
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I believe the word and will follow where it leads. It's not always easy to understand and if I was wrong I was hoping someone would point it out. So far nothing counters what I've read.

The answer is right before you. Love your neighbor as yourself.
 
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The answer is right before you. Love your neighbor as yourself.

I couldn't sit back and help someone further their sin if I loved them. Do you usually help your loved ones secure a position in hell? Would you strengthen the hand of evil knowing it would take you there also?

How do you get past Job 8:20 if Jesus sets the example should we not follow?
 
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I had a friend sell his house to a guy whom he later learned was gay after the sell: he evicted them as soon as they didn't pay for a month after learning about it. I was curious on other people's reasonings for this situation.

Was he worried that his old house might begin to question its orientation in life?
 
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