Black/White/Blue/All Lives Matter

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White and Blue lives have never not mattered --- never --- NOT EVER. Black lives have seldom mattered. That is the issue right now. The best way I have ever heard it put is below.

If my wife comes to me in obvious pain and asks "Do you love me?" an answer of "I love everyone." would be truthful but hurtful and cruel in the moment.

If a co-worker comes to me iupset and says "My father just died." an answer of "Everyone's parents die." would be truthful but hurtful and cruel in the moment.

So when a friend speaks up in a time of obvious pain and hurt and says "Black lives matter." an answer of "All lives matter." would be truthful but hurtful and cruel in the moment.

~~~ Doug Williford

There is a whole lot of "hurt and cruelty" happening right now that just keeps making matters worse.
 

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I recall at a Democratic Presidential debate a few years ago when ex-Governor O'Malley of MD was at the podium and he said "Black Lives Matter, White Lives matter, All Lives Matter". His remarks did not go over very well and some in the audience shouted him down.
 
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Your post makes me ponder the way of responses that we may have towards others.

Patience, listening, and suffering with the person who is going through that time, should be the response by the spirit.

Not even give advice, and for a moment allow them to have a shoulder to cry on and we carry the burden of their suffering on behalf with prayer.
 
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It's always been "Black lives matter, TOO" -- not "Black Lives Matter ONLY".
You might be right and hopefully so, but then why was Gov. O'Malley shouted down at the Dem Presidential Debate when he said "Black Lives Matter, White Lives Matter, All Lives Matter"?
 
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You might be right and hopefully so, but then why was Gov. O'Malley shouted down at the Dem Presidential Debate when he said "Black Lives Matter, White Lives Matter, All Lives Matter"?
Because he was saying, analogously, to his wife, "hey, I love everyone".
 
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Then why don’t the T-shirts say “too?”

Why should they have to? At this point, if you can't grok the meaning of it, it's on you.

You might be right and hopefully so, but then why was Gov. O'Malley shouted down at the Dem Presidential Debate when he said "Black Lives Matter, White Lives Matter, All Lives Matter"?

Because "all lives matter" has been used to undermine the message that black lives matter, despite having been long treated like they don't matter. I don't know O'Malley's intentions or if he was aware at the time of the baggage that his wording carried (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt), but that's my guess as to why he'd have gotten booed.
 
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ETERNAL LIVES MATTER!!

Not to get too transcendental but it's the only thing that matters. Just like the stars, our consciousness is energy that will evolve into the next body. We should be focused more on the bigger picture. Souls have no skin colour.

My childlike belief is the only thing that gets me through the days sometimes. Let me dream lol.
 
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The inventor of the slogan didn't run it by focus groups with an ad agency, and yet it still went viral.

Shouldn't the atheist slogan be "no lives matter"?
 
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Because it's the inevitable consequence of their worldview. A godless universe doesn't care whether you live or die.
No but people care whether they live or die. Atheists aren't 'a godless universe.'
 
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I think there's a couple underlying reasons for the "wordplay battle"

I don't think it's any secret that "All Lives Matter" and "Blue Lives Matter" were a reactionary (somewhat bitter) response to "Black Lives Matter"

There was an unreasonable objection to it, and a reasonable one.

I'll start with the unreasonable one:
Basically, for some conservatives, the mere discussion that Black people may have a disproportionately negative experience with the criminal justice system, as a whole, shattered some deeply held narratives about "law and order" and "the cops are the good guys and heroes" made them ultra-defensive for some reason...and I don't doubt for a second, at least in certain parts of the country, that objection was rooted in negative, unfair stereotypes about Black people and a misunderstanding about how poverty has multi-generational impacts, and if a group was disproportionately discriminated against within the last 3 generations, it leads to higher poverty rates which lead to higher crime rates...so it's unreasonable to think that because some federal legislation was passed in the 60's, everything should be "even-steven" today.

For that group, I typically rebuttal them by asking "If you were at a Susan G Komen event for breast cancer, would you walk around chastising the ladies saying now now, fighting all forms of cancer is important!"?


For the reasonable objection:
The movement was a semantically overloaded one, and that was an oversight by the founders and people who jumped on board with the movement early on. If ending discrimination and correcting issues with the criminal justice system were the goal, that should've been a single-threaded purpose with the focus put on that instead of lumping other unrelated ideologies in with it.

If I started a movement, and had 1 idea that was agreed upon by most, and 3 others that people are largely put off by (and one of which even attacked most people on a personal level), then when people opposed me for those other 3, and I accused them of not caring about the #1 issue they did agree with me on, it's easy to understand why they would be on the defensive.

That's basically what happened.

Had BLM kept the focus on the hard data focused on

1) correcting the issues of disproportionate sentencing and disproportionate negative interactions with law enforcement, they'd probably have majority support.

...instead of lumping in stipulative premises like
2) reparations
3) neo-marxism
4) "all white people benefit from racism, and all white people have an implicit bias against black people"

...and then saying "if you ardently reject any of those 2,3, or 4, then that means you don't care about correcting the issue listed in #1, their movement would probably have majority support.
 
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