30 % of Evangelicals deny Jesus is God !
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So you are saying we don't have to believe what Jesus said about Himself, The Prophets or the Apostles said who all declared He is God correct ?
A person can deny He is God and be saved. Things that make you go hmmmm.
Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.
Isaiah 48:12
"Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.
John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins. Yes, if you don't believe that I AM(YHWH), you will die in your sins."
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am.(YHWH)"
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 20:28
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
Romans 9:5
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ who is God over all forever praised! Amen.
Titus 2:13
looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says,
"YOUR THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER
Hebrews 1:10
He also says,
"In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours
2 Peter 1:11
for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.
1 John 5:20
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true even in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
These passages in Revelation make it clear that Jesus is God. Remember it is Jesus in the NT who is Coming back to earth that every eye will see. It was Jesus who was pierced on the cross for our sins. John is clearly once again calling Jesus God!!!!!!! The Coming and the coming in the clouds always refers to the Son.
Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
We know from Revelation 1:8 that Alpha and Omega is the Almighty. So we can see that Christ is the Almighty
Revelation 1:17
17And when I saw Him, I fell at his feet as dead. And He laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I Am the first and the last:
We know from Revelation 1:17-18 that the first and the last is He that liveth, was dead, but is alive forevermore is Christ.
Revelation 22:12-13
12 "Behold, I Am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
We know from Revelation 22:13 that the first and the last is the Alpha and Omega.
Revelation 22:16,20
16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I Am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
So we can conclude it is Jesus who is coming whom John calls God the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last.. This is sound biblical exegesis based on the context of the passage as well as the principle established in both Testaments on the One who is Coming in/with the Clouds- The Son of Man whom is called God !!!!!!
hope this helps !!!
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You're reading to much into the scripture. Salvation is not that difficult.
The fact that Jesus is God is not in the Gospel of salvation, the Gospel is that a Saviour came and delivered us from our sins.
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I can't believe you are trying to make a connection with this on the most important issue found in the Bible, our salvation.
If man had to know what you are implying to be saved, he would first have to be a Bible scholar before he could understand how to be saved.
You are trying to connect the dots where there are no dots.
If Gods demand for salvation was that we believe Jesus is God, the scripture would say, THOU MUST BELIEVE jESUS IS GOD TO BE SAVED. But it doesn't say that does it?
Do you really believe God would make us fish around to find our salvation in His Word?
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Why didn't you answer who the Lord is in Joel 2:32 ?
I know why.
And I'm not connecting any dots PAUL did in Romans 10:9-13 by quoting Joel 2:32 and declaring Jesus is the One Lord of Joel 2:32 who is YHWH that a person must confess to be saved.
Your problem is not with me its with Paul, Joel, the LORD and Scripture,
All I'm doing is declaring what Paul said in Romans 10:13.
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It impossible to win the argument.
Some people have stances that will stand until death, they must claim Jesus Christ is God to gain salvation.
Using scripture to justify: Which in turn we can do the same thing.
Still if someone does not confess that, they looked as less than and not a believer.
It comes from doctrine of men, and is not the word of God.
It's knife wielding at its best, that slices and dices and causes contention between each other with no lee way for freedom.
James 4:17 Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do, and does not do it, to him it is sin.
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They worship an idol that cannot save. Also "Lord Jesus Christ" = YHWH = God.
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All of the cult books I've read teach that any who reject the Ecumenical Creeds are cults of Christendom and not actually the Church.
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What matters is why they do not understand that Jesus is God.
For some number, being evangelical might mean being politically for certain morals and being pro-Israel. Possibly, ones have joined political movements which are supposed to be evangelical. Because they agreed with the political agenda, the leaders might have accepted them without talking with them about who Jesus is and trusting in Jesus for salvation. Possibly, I have seen how even certain pastors will say so-and-so is a saved politician, though the person does not say so or show so. If a person claims to be pro-Israel, he or she can get their ticket stamped.
But morals and being pro-Israel need to be with acknowledging Jesus as our Messiah and trusting Christ for our salvation and loving the way God's word says to love . . . any and all people, including praying with hope for all people . . . not only for political favorites, or for only one's own country >
"Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:1-4)
All-loving prayer with hope for any person, at all > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7) > this is basic to being Biblically evangelical > Paul says "first of all".
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That’s the usual reaction to surveys like this. But I wonder. I’d think most Christians know the official answer to most of these questions. I think a substantial number may intentionally disagree. My sense is that many church members hold fairly generic views, and do not follow the specific positions of their denomination. A lot of people choose churches based on how they feel about the congregation, not theology.
They count about 20% of the population as evangelical. Despite their claim to use a fairly tight definition, this is about the fraction that call themselves Evangelical, not the smaller number that surveys sometimes use.
I looked at all the questions. A lot of answers would be frowned on by Lifeway, but are Christian views. This is the one question that I found really surprising. One problem with this survey was that it only gave two possible answers. Many surveys give a range of answers. So they might say 1) God, 2) God and man 3) God’s personal representative, etc. I wonder how many people would disagree with just God would take one of the other choices.
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On this specific question, was Jesus God, it's also worth noting the other answers. For evangelicals, 32% agreed or mostly agreed that Jesus wasn't God. For all of the other Christian groups the numbers were very close to each other, around 57%. No significant difference between mainline, Catholic and historically Black Protestant.
The problem is that all of these numbers include people who identify this way but may be nominal Christians. I'd like to see the answers for people who are committed. Obviously it would be smaller, but how much smaller?
The problem is that all of these numbers include people who identify this way but may be nominal Christians. I'd like to see the answers for people who are committed. Obviously it would be smaller, but how much smaller?
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For the study, evangelicals were defined as people who strongly agreed with the following four statements: the Bible is the highest authority for what I believe; it is very important for me personally to encourage non-Christians to trust Jesus Christ as their Savior; Jesus Christ's death on the cross is the only sacrifice that could remove the penalty of my sin; and only those who trust in Jesus Christ alone as their Savior receive God's free gift of eternal salvation.
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