THE SABBATH TRUTH!

Studyman · Sep 12, 2020

pasifika said:
Thank you Studyman, the passage you quoted (Malachi 2:4) never mentioned the Levi has a “separate” covenant from the Sinai covenant In which Moses was the mediator. But it shows that the Levi were set apart (Consecrated) From the children of Israel to serve as Priest in the sanctuary ...Exodus 28, 29,30 etc..In which God has given laws for offering and sacrifices etc to perform in the sanctuary.

Malachi does, you just refuse to accept it.

5 My covenant was with him (Levi) of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.

6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

So God gave HIS Covenant to Abraham, then to Isaac, then to Jacob, then to Joseph, and then to the Children of Israel. But this time HE "ADDED" a Law to His Covenant "Because of Transgressions". HE Separated the Tribe of Levi from the inheritance of Israel, and gave Him a Covenant that neither Abraham, nor his Children had.

Num. 18:20 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I am thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel.

21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

22 Neither must the children of Israel henceforth come nigh the tabernacle of the congregation, lest they bear sin, and die.

Two completely different Covenants. One with Abraham and his Children, and one specifically with Levi on Israel's behalf.

23 But the Levites shall do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they shall bear their iniquity: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they have no inheritance.

Levi was not included in the Covenant God made with the Children of Israel. God Separated Levi from Israel, and gave Him a Covenant that Israel was not even allowed to partake of.

And the Spirit of Christ in Malachi confirm this Biblical Truth.

Mal. 2:4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.

6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

The Children of Israel would be put to death if they even partook in this Covenant God made with Levi. Why? Because it was a Separate Covenant specifically given to Levi, ADDED "Till the SEED should come".

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

So you may not believe what is written, you may not believe the Christ's own definition of HIS Own New Covenant. But to say the Christ of the Bible didn't Separate Levi from the rest of Israel and give HIM a Covenant Abraham didn't have it simply false, if the Word of God is our guide.

So who are the mediator of the Levi covenant isn’t Moses, the same mediator of the Old covenant ? God always spoke to Moses regarding everything in which Aaron and his sons will need to do to serve God as Priest..

Yes, Moses is the mediator of the Covenant with Levi. But now we have a New Covenant in which the Christ Himself will administer to God's Sanctuary, and Christ Himself will place HIS Laws on our minds. A New Covenant in which the Christ Himself shall atone for the sins of HIS People.

It's in your own Bible, all you need is belief.

What question again you’re asking?

They are too many to repeat. If you were really interested in answering the questions of others you would go back and read the replies given to you, and answer them. "By their fruits you shall know them".

God made a Covenant with Israel that Levi had no part of. God made a Covenant with Levi that Israel could not partake of.

The Covenant that became "obsolete" was the Covenant God made with Levi. The Holy Scriptures are clear, they are in your own Bible.

I have shown them to you as best I can. I can't make you believe what they say.

guevaraj · Sep 12, 2020

Bob S said:
God did not make the Sabbath on the seventh day. He alone rested on that day. There is nothing about it being perpetual and it is a blatant untruth to try to place the beginning of the Sabbath at the end of the six days of creation.

Brother, happy Sabbath! Your statement shows your inability to process “solid food”. You don't see the truth below that requires more than one passage.

Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans? For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings? (1 Corinthians 3:1-4 NIV)

When did God make the Sabbath “holy”?

Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. (Exodus 20:8-11 NIV)

It is “solid food” that requires linking the passage above with the passage below in Genesis. But you are not spiritually capable of understanding “solid food”, because you are too worldly.

Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done. (Genesis 2:3 NIV)

In contrast to your disability, God has blessed me with the discernment to see it clearly. Made “holy” was the Sabbath on the seventh day of creation in the Eden time zone, apart from the week, and that is why Israel remembers the Sabbath 10 hours before its local seventh day, as Jesus before revealed with His finger on the fourth commandment!

Bob S said:
It is also a blatant lie to tell us that creation didn't end on the sixth day. If you cannot understand Gen 2:1 "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, along with everything in them. 2 On the seventh day God was finished with his work which he had made, so he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made." then there is something wrong with perception.

You don't understand what it means for God to make a “holy” time, apart from the weekly cycle established in Eden, so that remembered is the Sabbath in Israel in the Eden time zone.

Bob S said:
The Sabbath began after passing through the Red Sea, Ex 16. The bread of life began the eve of the rest in Christ. Both were signs the Bread of Life and Rest in Him the two are inseparable. Without the bread of life they would have perished and without the giver of life they would perish. Both the manna and the Sabbath represented Jesus Christ. The manna ended when Israel entered into the land of milk and honey. They continued to be fed by Jesus only after entering into Canaan Jesus had their food waiting for them. The manna became a shadow of what was waiting for them in Canaan. The Sabbath continued to represent rest in Jesus until Jesus fulfilled the Law which contained the Sabbath. The Sabbath then became a shadow also. Israel's real rest came to Earth and gave each one of us His rest. His rest is today not one day a week.

You invent your way, contradicting the message of the previous fourth commandment.

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse! (Galatians 1:8 NIV)

God made the seventh day “holy” in the Eden time zone. Israel remembers that first Sabbath 10 hours before its local seventh day, because remembered is it in the Eden time zone. This 10 hour shift gives Eden's distance from Israel and falls on the International Date Line (IDL).

Bob S said:
No wonder Paul wrote Col 2:16-17 CJB 16 So don’t let anyone pass judgment on you in connection with eating and drinking, or in regard to a Jewish festival or Rosh-Hodesh or Shabbat. 17 These are a shadow of things that are coming, but the body is of the Messiah.

You use Paul to contradict Jesus' message in the fourth commandment written with His finger before the incarnation as “forewarned” by Peter with the “error of the lawless”.

So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:14-16 NIV)

You refuse to believe the truth of the “surpassing glory” of the new covenant over the former “glory” of the Ten Commandments. “Surpassing glory” means more than, not less than the Ten Commandments.

Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! (2 Corinthians 3:7-11 NIV)

Your problem is that you do not "love the truth"!

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Studyman · Sep 12, 2020

Bob S said:
The Sabbath began after passing through the Red Sea, Ex 16. The bread of life began the eve of the rest in Christ. Both were signs the Bread of Life and Rest in Him the two are inseparable.

Gen. 14:
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

God Sanctified and Set Apart the 7th day after creating the Week, which has 7 days.

In your religious Philosophy, is the "Bread and Wine" brought forth by this "priest of the most high" the same "bead and wine" given by our High Priest which is after the order of Melchizedek?

If the Sabbath can't be separated from the "Bread of Life", then why do you also preach that Abraham didn't know God made the 7th day Holy?

I agree, they are inseparable.

pasifika · Sep 12, 2020

Studyman said:
Malachi does, you just refuse to accept it.

5 My covenant was with him (Levi) of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.

6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

So God gave HIS Covenant to Abraham, then to Isaac, then to Jacob, then to Joseph, and then to the Children of Israel. But this time HE "ADDED" a Law to His Covenant "Because of Transgressions". HE Separated the Tribe of Levi from the inheritance of Israel, and gave Him a Covenant that neither Abraham, nor his Children had.

Num. 18:20 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I am thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel.

21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

22 Neither must the children of Israel henceforth come nigh the tabernacle of the congregation, lest they bear sin, and die.

Two completely different Covenants. One with Abraham and his Children, and one specifically with Levi on Israel's behalf.

23 But the Levites shall do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they shall bear their iniquity: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they have no inheritance.

Levi was not included in the Covenant God made with the Children of Israel. God Separated Levi from Israel, and gave Him a Covenant that Israel was not even allowed to partake of.

And the Spirit of Christ in Malachi confirm this Biblical Truth.

Mal. 2:4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.

6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

The Children of Israel would be put to death if they even partook in this Covenant God made with Levi. Why? Because it was a Separate Covenant specifically given to Levi, ADDED "Till the SEED should come".

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

So you may not believe what is written, you may not believe the Christ's own definition of HIS Own New Covenant. But to say the Christ of the Bible didn't Separate Levi from the rest of Israel and give HIM a Covenant Abraham didn't have it simply false, if the Word of God is our guide.

Yes, Moses is the mediator of the Covenant with Levi. But now we have a New Covenant in which the Christ Himself will administer to God's Sanctuary, and Christ Himself will place HIS Laws on our minds. A New Covenant in which the Christ Himself shall atone for the sins of HIS People.

It's in your own Bible, all you need is belief.

They are too many to repeat. If you were really interested in answering the questions of others you would go back and read the replies given to you, and answer them. "By their fruits you shall know them".

God made a Covenant with Israel that Levi had no part of. God made a Covenant with Levi that Israel could not partake of.

The Covenant that became "obsolete" was the Covenant God made with Levi. The Holy Scriptures are clear, they are in your own Bible.

I have shown them to you as best I can. I can't make you believe what they say.

Hello Studyman, Abraham never given the covenant that given to those that came out of Egypt (Sinai covenant) a covenant based on mans works the covenant Abraham had was the covenant of Promised based on Faith...that is the difference between the two...In Abraham covenant is God who promised to fulfilled All that He promised to give to Abraham..Genesis
In Sinai covenant is the people that will do all what God said to fulfilled and obtained the blessings of God...

the levitical priesthood was part of the Sinai covenant But they ( Levi) were consecrated from Israel to serve specifically in the temple that God told Moses to build according to His instruction, and they (Levi) are to perform duties regarding temple worship as Priest...

Stydyman, why was Levi never mentioned in Jeremiah 31:31 or Hebrew 8:8-14 Regarding God covenant, Since they (Levi) also broke their covenant with God?

Two covenants 1: with Abraham and His descendants ( covenant of Promise)...this covenant requires Faith ( Anyone who has faith are Abraham children)
Covenant established by blood of Christ, new mediator (Christ), New priesthood, New temple, Sabbath rest etc

2: Covenant with children of Israel who came out of Egypt ( this includes the Levi priesthood) since Levi was part of Israel...
This covenant requires works (mans works for Righteousness) Exodus 19...
Law of works (law regarding temple worship, law regarding sacrifices and offering, law regarding food, Sabbath etc)
Moses was the mediator of that covenant...
Covenant established by blood of animals..
This is the “ADDED LAW” given through this covenant Galatians 3:19

Bob S · Sep 13, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello Bob, God's 4th commandment is not a shadow sabbath and Colossians 2:16 is in reference to the annual ceremonial sabbaths in the annual feast days, not God's 4th commandment. Scripture proofs have already been provided in post # 1909 linked. If you disagree please address the scriptures and questions in the linked post already provided so we can discuss it. Look forward to your response.

Oh but it is God's fourth commandment. You, because of your preconceived notions, cannot recognize the truth. Col 2:16-17 CJB 16 So don’t let anyone pass judgment on you in connection with eating and drinking, or in regard to a Jewish festival or Rosh-Hodesh or Shabbat. 17 These are a shadow of things that are coming, but the body is of the Messiah.

Your statement "in reference to the annual ceremonial sabbaths in the annual feast days, not God's 4th commandment." doesn't even make any sense. Paul mentions the feast days (Sabbaths) and we know they were rest days. He mentions new moon celebrations and we know they were also rest days (Sabbaths) then he mentions Sabbath (Shabbat). Anyone not trying to make that verse conform to preconceived ideas would never interpret as to mean what you are trying to make it seem.

As to Heb 4, the writer was writing to the ones who were steadfast Sabbath observers, so he was not trying to convince them to observe the day. He was telling them that they had never entered the Rest God had for them and they could enter that rest today. The Rest the writer was referring to is Jesus Christ and not trying to keep a day. The Sabbath was indeed a shadow. It was a shadow of our Savior Jesus Christ and for you to try to tell us something different is certainly not in our interest. Do what you like, but please stop writing things that are not true to the Living Word.

Shillelagh · Sep 13, 2020

guevaraj said:
Your problem is that you do not "love the truth"!

Your problem is that you do not know the truth.

guevaraj · Sep 13, 2020

Shillelagh said:
Your problem is that you do not know the truth.

Brother, do you "live as Jesus did"?

We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did. (1 John 2:3-6 NIV)

Jesus kept the Sabbath in the fourth commandment as Judaism does to this day!

The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’ ” (Exodus 31:16-17 NIV)

Do you obey the fourth commandment like Jesus did?

He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free,to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” All spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words that came from his lips. “Isn’t this Joseph’s son?” they asked. (Luke 4:16-22 NIV)

Remember that Jesus kindly asked!

If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Bob S · Sep 13, 2020

guevaraj said:
Brother, do you live as Jesus did?

We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did. (1 John 2:3-6 NIV)

Jesus kept the Sabbath in the fourth commandment as Judaism does to this day!

The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’ ” (Exodus 31:16-17 NIV)

Do you obey the fourth commandment like Jesus did?

He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free,to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” All spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words that came from his lips. “Isn’t this Joseph’s son?” they asked. (Luke 4:16-22 NIV)

Remember that Jesus kindly asked!

If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

You and anyone that believes as you do have been deceived. Why??? because you have been taught that Jesus commands to us are the 10 commandments. Somehow you have not been taught what Jesus claims to His commands. Here is Jesus command found in Jn 15:
9 “Just as my Father has loved me, I too have loved you; so stay in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will stay in my love — just as I have kept my Father’s commands and stay in his love. 11 I have said this to you so that my joy may be in you, and your joy be complete.

12 “This is my command: that you keep on loving each other just as I have loved you. 13 No one has greater love than a person who lays down his life for his friends. 14 You are my friends, if you do what I command you. 15 I no longer call you slaves, because a slave doesn’t know what his master is about; but I have called you friends, because everything I have heard from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, I chose you; and I have commissioned you to go and bear fruit, fruit that will last; so that whatever you ask from the Father in my name he may give you. 17 This is what I command you: keep loving each other! Jn5:24 Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever hears what I am saying and trusts the One who sent me has eternal life — that is, he will not come up for judgment but has already crossed over from death to life!

Jesus was not concerned with "keeping Sabbath". He was concerned with healing minds, bodies and souls. In Jn 5: 17 But he answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I too am working.” Jesus is not concerned with what we do on the day that was given only to the Israelites, He is concerned if we truly love one another every day. I ask this, should I be concerned with something Jesus wasn't??? Could it be that you have become so engrossed in your Sabbath observance and when to observe it that you have forgotten Jesus most important lesson to all mankind, LOVE

LoveGodsWord · Sep 13, 2020

Bob S said:
The fixation on the Sabbath that was given only to Israel has become so deeply rooted that it seems impossible to root out. I know it can be done because I was one that, praise the Lord, was able to see the cracks in the foundation of the church that held me captive.

Hi Bob, according to the scriptures there was no ISRAEL when God made the Sabbath for all mankind *MARK 2:27; GENESIS 2:1-3 only Adam and Eve. The same as there is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7 has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. According to God's Word in the new covenant, God's ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow Gods' Word *EPHESIANS 2:11-13; GALATIANS 3:28-29; ROMANS 9:6-8; ROMANS 2:28-29; COLOSSIANS 3:11; ROMANS 10:11-13. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL in the new covenant we have no part in God's new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12

LoveGodsWord · Sep 13, 2020

Bob S said:
Oh but it is God's fourth commandment. You, because of your preconceived notions, cannot recognize the truth. Col 2:16-17 CJB 16 So don’t let anyone pass judgment on you in connection with eating and drinking, or in regard to a Jewish festival or Rosh-Hodesh or Shabbat. 17 These are a shadow of things that are coming, but the body is of the Messiah.

Your statement "in reference to the annual ceremonial sabbaths in the annual feast days, not God's 4th commandment." doesn't even make any sense. Paul mentions the feast days (Sabbaths) and we know they were rest days. He mentions new moon celebrations and we know they were also rest days (Sabbaths) then he mentions Sabbath (Shabbat). Anyone not trying to make that verse conform to preconceived ideas would never interpret as to mean what you are trying to make it seem.

Now let's look at the scriptures....

The feast days or festivals of the old covenant were annual festivals *EXODUS 23:14; DEUTERONOMY 16:16 and not weekly. The context of everything that PAUL was writing in COLOSSIANS 2 is to the Mosaic ceremonial laws that were shadows of things to come in the new covenant.

Notice that the context of COLOSSIANS 2:11-14 is in reference to circumcision, baptism, ceremonial laws in ordinances then in COLOSSIANS 2:16 Paul is stating not to let anyone judge you in relation to meat and drink and to new moons and festivals and their sabbaths which in v17 are a shadow of things to come. In COLOSSIANS 2:16 Paul is quoting from EZEKIEL 45. Let's look at the comparison between the scriptures where you will see they are referring to the sabbaths in the "feast days"...

COLOSSIANS 2:16 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in (1) MEAT, or in (2) DRINK, or in respect of an (3) HOLYDAY (G1859 ἑορτή; heortē means festival or feast), or of the (4) NEW MOON, or of the (5) SABBATH DAYS <plural> (not the Sabbath day as the Greek is Genetive neuter plural)

Paul is quoting from the old testament scriptures...

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and (1) MEAT offerings, and (2) DRINK offerings, in the (3) FEASTS, and in the (4) NEW MOONS, and in the (5) SABBATH DAYS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

All CONTEXT and points 1-5 match perfectly. Here is a scripture, same exact order as Col.2 [16], MEAT offerings, and DRINK offerings, FEASTS, NEW MOON, and in the SABBATHS.

Now look at EZEKIEL 45:18-25 you will see that the context of all the above is identical to COLOSSIANS 2:16 and is referring to annual feast days and their new moons (first of the month) meat and drink offerings and the annual ceremonial sabbaths in the annual feast days...

Both COLOSSIANS 2:16 and EZEKIEL 45:17-25 are in reference to the annual feast days and new moons, meat and drink offerings and their annual sabbaths being a shadow of things to come not God's 4th commandments which is eternal and cannot be a shadow law as it points backward and not forward to things to come "REMEMBER" and was made before sin and before God's plan of salvation was given and needed for mankind as there was no sin when the Sabbath was made for man.

It is the annual sabbaths that are fulfilled in the new not God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7.

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QUESTION for your consideration if you disagree with the above scriptures...

1. How can God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which God made on the "seventh day" of creation *GENESIS 2:1-3 be a "SHADOW LAW" when there was NO SHADOW LAWS and no sin when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and talked face to face with God and no need of God's plan of salvation because mankind had not sinned?

2. How can God's 4th commandment Sabbath by a "SHADOW LAW" when it is a part of the "FINISHED WORK" of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3 and points "BACKWARDS" as a "MEMORIAL" of creation *EXODUS 20:8 and NOT "FORWARDS" to things to come?

Look forward to your response.

Hope this is helpful

LoveGodsWord · Sep 13, 2020

Bob S said:
As to Heb 4, the writer was writing to the ones who were steadfast Sabbath observers, so he was not trying to convince them to observe the day. He was telling them that they had never entered the Rest God had for them and they could enter that rest today. The Rest the writer was referring to is Jesus Christ and not trying to keep a day. The Sabbath was indeed a shadow. It was a shadow of our Savior Jesus Christ and for you to try to tell us something different is certainly not in our interest. Do what you like, but please stop writing things that are not true to the Living Word.

Now let's look at the scriptures again and see what God says...

As posted earlier to someone else, I thought this would be relevant to your post Bob if we look specifically at the what the scriptures say and the context of them. The context of Hebrews 4 is HEBREWS 4:1-5 defining what God's rest is. According to the scriptures, God's rest is the "seventh day" Sabbath of creation leading to the Sabbath still being a requirement for the people of God in v9.

Let's look at the scriptures and see what God says...

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into MY REST: ALTHOUGH THE WORKS WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
[4], FOR HE SPOKE IN A CERTAIN PLACE (GENSIS 2:1-3) OF THE SEVENTH DAY ON THIS WISE, AND GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into MY REST.

NOTE: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD enter into that rest which God's WORD defines as the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH which is GOD'S REST!

Let's continue...

6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

[10], For he that is entered into HIS REST (v9 God's SABBATH REST; see also HEBREWS 4:1-5 which defines God's rest as the Sabbath), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], LET US LABOR THEREFORE TO ENTER INTO THAT REST (God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST), lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (HEBREWS 3).

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CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 4 is talking about the Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD; v29 Learn of me; v30 my burden (doing) is light. This agrees with Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. HEBREWS 4:1-11 is in reference to GOD'S REST which God's WORD defines is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH which is the CONTEXT shown in HEBREWS 4:1-5. HEBREWS 4 therefore with context added is saying that no one enter God's Sabbath rest if they do not BELIEVE AND FOLLOW God's WORD.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

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There is only one biblical definition of God's 4th commandment Sabbath and that is the "the seventh day" of the week *EXODUS 20:10; GENESIS 2:1-3 and JESUS is the Lord of the Sabbath that he says he made for all mankind *MARK 2:27-28

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word

Bob S · Sep 13, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi Bob, according to the scriptures there was no ISRAEL when God made the Sabbath for all mankind *MARK 2:27;

Lt us get it straight LGW scripture does not say "all mankind".

GENESIS 2:1-3 only Adam and Eve. The same as there is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7 has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Jesus fulfilled the Law of which the ten commandments were a part. Fulfill means to bring to an end. He brought the prophecies to an end concerning His coming and likewise from the same sentence in Matt 5:16 the fulfilling of the law was brought to an end at Calvary where the new and better covenant with better promises came into being.

According to God's Word in the new covenant, God's ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow Gods' Word *EPHESIANS 2:11-13; GALATIANS 3:28-29; ROMANS 9:6-8; ROMANS 2:28-29; COLOSSIANS 3:11; ROMANS 10:11-13. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL in the new covenant we have no part in God's new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12

We are all grafted into the root which is Jesus not some defunct nation that couldn't obey God's commandments.

Bob S · Sep 13, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Now let's look at the scriptures again and see what God says...

As posted earlier to someone else, I thought this would be relevant to your post Bob if we look specifically at the what the scriptures say and the context of them. The context of Hebrews 4 is HEBREWS 4:1-5 defining what God's rest is. According to the scriptures, God's rest is the "seventh day" Sabbath of creation leading to the Sabbath still being a requirement for the people of God in v9.

Let's look at the scriptures and see what God says...

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into MY REST: ALTHOUGH THE WORKS WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
[4], FOR HE SPOKE IN A CERTAIN PLACE (GENSIS 2:1-3) OF THE SEVENTH DAY ON THIS WISE, AND GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into MY REST.

NOTE: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD enter into that rest which God's WORD defines as the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH which is GOD'S REST!

Let's continue...

6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

[10], For he that is entered into HIS REST (v9 God's SABBATH REST; see also HEBREWS 4:1-5 which defines God's rest as the Sabbath), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], LET US LABOR THEREFORE TO ENTER INTO THAT REST (God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST), lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (HEBREWS 3).

.............

CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 4 is talking about the Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD; v29 Learn of me; v30 my burden (doing) is light. This agrees with Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. HEBREWS 4:1-11 is in reference to GOD'S REST which God's WORD defines is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH which is the CONTEXT shown in HEBREWS 4:1-5. HEBREWS 4 therefore with context added is saying that no one enter God's Sabbath rest if they do not BELIEVE AND FOLLOW God's WORD.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

.............

There is only one biblical definition of God's 4th commandment Sabbath and that is the "the seventh day" of the week *EXODUS 20:10; GENESIS 2:1-3 and JESUS is the Lord of the Sabbath that he says he made for all mankind *MARK 2:27-28

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word

You make it sound a though the Jews didn't know about the Sabbath and that is just not true in any sense. Jews were adamant about keeping the day. They were experts at knowing just how to observe it. Why would the writer of Hebrews spend so much time trying to convince Jews to observe it? The fact is he wasn't. He is telling all that we can find rest today. Jesus said come unto me and I will give you rest. Israel never found that Rest. I have and you can too.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 13, 2020

Bob S said:
Lt us get it straight LGW scripture does not say "all mankind".

Scripture does indeed say all mankind Bob, here you go...

MARK 2:27 [27], And he said to them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath:

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G444
ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos; From G435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance ; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man.

Note JESUS did not say that the Sabbath was made for the JEW because there was no JEW or ISRAEL when the Sabbath was made in creation *GENESIS 2:1-3 only ADAM and EVE.

Bob S said:
Jesus fulfilled the Law of which the ten commandments were a part. Fulfill means to bring to an end. He brought the prophecies to an end concerning His coming and likewise from the same sentence in Matt 5:16 the fulfilling of the law was brought to an end at Calvary where the new and better covenant with better promises came into being.

Bob, JESUS bringing the prophecies to an end concerning him is not the same as abolishing God's 10 commandments. Contest is do not think I have come to destroy but to fulfill meaning that the old testament Mosiac shadow laws are fulfilled in Christ (ended) and he fulfilled the requirements of all the laws (fulfills all righteousness *MATTHEW 3:15) the Greek Word πληρόω; plēroō used in MATTHEW 5:17 also means to execute or to do and to accomplish or to establish. Thus JESUS became our perfect sacrifice fulfilling all the requirements of the Mosaic prophetic laws (sin offerings and sacrifices) and being sinless who did not break anyone of God's 10 commandments (spotless sacrificial lamb of God) *JOHN 1:29.

In fact MATTHEW 5:17 states the opposite of what your proposing as JESUS is magnifying the law not abolishing the law. Note the Words of JESUS in his Words....

MATTHEW 5:17 [17], THINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. [18], For truly I say to you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE STROKE OR ONE PRONUNCIATION MARK SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED. [19], WHOEVER THEREFORE SHALL BREAK ONE OF THESE LEAST COMMANDMENTS, AND SHALL TEACH MEN SO, HE SHALL BE CALLED THE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN: BUT WHOEVER SHALL DO AND TEACH THEM, THE SAME SHALL BE CALLED GREAT IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. [20], For I say to you, That EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, YOU SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

According to the scriptures JESUS came to magnify the 10 commandments from the inside out in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21 showing us that we are all sinners in need of Gods salvation *MATTHEW 9:12-13. This is why JESUS was also showing in MATTHEW 5:22-28 that Sin is from the inside out and that the very thoughts we think are sin and unless we are born again with a new heart to love we cannot even see the Kingdom of Heaven *JOHN 3:3-7 because those who are born of God do not practice sin (breaking God's commandments) *1 JOHN 3:6-9.

MATTHEW 5:20 is interesting because on the OUTSIDE the Scribes and Pharisees as JESUS taught appeared righteous to men. Outwardly blameless in regards to following God's 10 commandments but INWARDLY JESUS says they were full of SIN (breaking God's LAW) *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS says; For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven *MATTHEW 5:20. The scripture in ISAIAH 42:21 was posted to show that JESUS came to teach the true meaning of God's LAW and that is it is to be applied to the ISIDE OUT not for OUT SIDE IN appearance to appear rightouess to men but inwardly full of SIN. God reads the HEART and KNOWS we are all sick with SIN *MATTHEW 15:19-20; MATTHEW 12:34-35; JEREMIAH 13:23; JEREMIAH 17:9-10; MATTHEW 15:19-20; JOHN 5:42 and in need of a Savior from SIN. Many do not know the meaning here MATTHEW 9:12-13.

This is leading to the NEW COVENANT PROMISE of a NEW HEART to LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12; JOHN 5:42; 1 JOHN 5:17-19; 1 JOHN 4:16; 1 JOHN 5:3; 1 JOHN 4:8.

We do not have the LOVE of GOD in us *JOHN 5:42. We need to be BORN OF GOD to LOVE *1 JOHN 4:7 and partake of the NEW COVENANT promise. This is why JESUS teaches in *JOHN 3:3-7 that UNLESS we are made CLEAN from the INSIDE OUT and BORN AGAIN to LOVE we cannot enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. This is what JESUS is talking about in MATTHEW 5:20 when discussing the Scribes and the Pharisees teaching the application of God's LAW from the INSIDE OUT.

Whosoever is BORN of GOD to LOVE in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12 do not practice commit SIN (breaking God's commandments) *1 JOHN 3:9; ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-12; ROMANS 3:31; MATTHEW 22:36-40. This is the GOOD NEWS of the Gospels in the NEW COVENANT we have a SAVIOUR to save us from sin (not in sin) but we have to be made new to walk in God's Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4.

1 JOHN 3:3-10 is talking about all those who are BORN AGAIN to LOVE and it is LOVE that fulfills and establishes God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10. This results in a people that keep God's LAW (10 commandments) from the INSIDE OUT. *REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; HEBREWS 8:10-12. Unless we are BORN AGAIN to LOVE we cannot enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7.

So what the conclusion of the matter?

ECCLESIASTES 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: FEAR GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: FOR THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN.

God’s LAW (10 commandments) are not abolished they are fulfilled and established in the life of a believer as they believe God’s Word and abide in Christ and walk in God’s Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:4.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 13, 2020

Bob S said:
You make it sound a though the Jews didn't know about the Sabbath and that is just not true in any sense. Jews were adamant about keeping the day. They were experts at knowing just how to observe it. Why would the writer of Hebrews spend so much time trying to convince Jews to observe it? The fact is he wasn't. He is telling all that we can find rest today. Jesus said come unto me and I will give you rest. Israel never found that Rest. I have and you can too.

According to the scriptures, the purpose of HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 is to show that the gospel was preached to those in the wilderness and those in Paul's day and Paul was showing that those in the wilderness did not enter into God's rest as defined as the Sabbath *HEBREWS 4:1-5 because they did not believe the gospel. They did not believe and follow God's Word and so did not enter into His REST.

HEBREWS 4 is a warning and a blessing for all of us today that if we believe the gospel by believing and following God's Word we can enter into God's rest (the Sabbath) if we do not believe and follow God's Word we will not enter into God's Sabbath rest.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

[10], For he that is entered into HIS REST (v9 God's SABBATH REST; see also HEBREWS 4:1-5 which defines God's rest as the Sabbath), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], LET US LABOR THEREFORE TO ENTER INTO THAT REST (God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST), lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (HEBREWS 3).

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

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