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Here, consider this.
Isaiah 34:5-8 The Lord has a Day of vengeance, the Redeemer of Zion has a time for retribution. His sword will appear in the sky, see how it descends in judgement onto a people whom the Lord has doomed to destruction. Great will be the slaughter in Edom and He has a sacrifice in Bozrah, His sword of punishment will be sated with blood, the earth will drink deeply of their blood.

Isaiah 63:1-6 Who is this, coming from Bozrah and Edom with His garments splashed with blood, striding along in His mighty power? It is the Lord, proclaiming victory, He who is strong to save. He treads the winepress of the nations, with no one to help Him. He tramples them in His fury, shatters them in His anger and spills their blood all over the ground. The Lord has resolved on a Day of vengeance, because the year for redeeming His own has come.

Jeremiah 49:12-13 & 22 These are the Words of the Lord: Those who were not doomed to drink the cup of My wrath, must drink it none the less: are you alone to go unpunished? You will not be spared, I will judge you as well. I will swoop down upon Bozrah and on that Day, Edom will lose all their strength. I swear that Bozrah will become desolate, an object of reproach and all her towns will be ruined forever. [Not for all time, see: Ezekiel 36:33-36, Isaiah 61:4]

Amos 1:12 I shall send fire to consume the palaces of Bozrah. Ref: REB, NIV.


Bozrah – Hebrew = a sheepfold, also means: glad tidings. At present Bozrah can be identified as the place where the true descendants of Jacob currently side.

Edom – the descendants of Esau, a metaphor for non-Israelite peoples. Edom may represent every other nationality of the world.


‘The Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath’, Cannot the same Day as the Return of the Messiah. Psalms 11:4-6, Rev. 6:12-17, Isaiah 2:12-21, Isaiah 13:9-13, Isaiah 61:2b, Isaiah 66:15-16, Ezekiel 30:1-3, Joel 2:11 &31, Micah 5:15, Nahum 1:2-6, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Malachi 4:1, Romans 1:18, 2 Peter 3:7 & 10

‘His sword appears in the sky and descends in judgement’, Isaiah 30:25-28, Jeremiah 4:20-28, Jeremiah 23:19, Jeremiah 47:6-7, Jeremiah 50:35-38, Ezekiel 21:3-7 & 14-16

‘He treads the winepress of the nations’, Revelation 14:17-20, Jeremiah 9:21-22, Jeremiah 25:30-33, Jeremiah 49:35-37, Habakkuk 3:12, Psalm 65:1-3

‘I shall send fire’, Ezekiel 20:46-48, Joel 1:19-20, Amos 1:4,7,10,12,14. Amos 2:2,5. Obadiah 1:18, Zephaniah 3:8, Hebrews 10:27

‘I will judge you as well’, Ezekiel 23:32-34, Obadiah 1:16, Jeremiah 30:11, Ezekiel 7:1-27, Hosea 4:1-3, Hosea 12:2, Amos 4:12

‘The year for redeeming My own has come’, We are nearing the end of this age, the Lord will take action in His creation, as He did so long ago: as in the days of Noah. Isaiah 66:15-16, Micah 5:10-15, Habakkuk 3:12, Ezekiel 7:14
 
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Isaiah 34:5-8 The Lord has a Day of vengeance, the Redeemer of Zion has a time for retribution. His sword will appear in the sky, see how it descends in judgement onto a people whom the Lord has doomed to destruction. Great will be the slaughter in Edom and He has a sacrifice in Bozrah, His sword of punishment will be sated with blood, the earth will drink deeply of their blood.

Isaiah 63:1-6 Who is this, coming from Bozrah and Edom with His garments splashed with blood, striding along in His mighty power? It is the Lord, proclaiming victory, He who is strong to save. He treads the winepress of the nations, with no one to help Him. He tramples them in His fury, shatters them in His anger and spills their blood all over the ground. The Lord has resolved on a Day of vengeance, because the year for redeeming His own has come.

Jeremiah 49:12-13 & 22 These are the Words of the Lord: Those who were not doomed to drink the cup of My wrath, must drink it none the less: are you alone to go unpunished? You will not be spared, I will judge you as well. I will swoop down upon Bozrah and on that Day, Edom will lose all their strength. I swear that Bozrah will become desolate, an object of reproach and all her towns will be ruined forever. [Not for all time, see: Ezekiel 36:33-36, Isaiah 61:4]

Amos 1:12 I shall send fire to consume the palaces of Bozrah. Ref: REB, NIV.


Bozrah – Hebrew = a sheepfold, also means: glad tidings. At present Bozrah can be identified as the place where the true descendants of Jacob currently side.

Edom – the descendants of Esau, a metaphor for non-Israelite peoples. Edom may represent every other nationality of the world.


‘The Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath’, Cannot the same Day as the Return of the Messiah. Psalms 11:4-6, Rev. 6:12-17, Isaiah 2:12-21, Isaiah 13:9-13, Isaiah 61:2b, Isaiah 66:15-16, Ezekiel 30:1-3, Joel 2:11 &31, Micah 5:15, Nahum 1:2-6, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Malachi 4:1, Romans 1:18, 2 Peter 3:7 & 10

‘His sword appears in the sky and descends in judgement’, Isaiah 30:25-28, Jeremiah 4:20-28, Jeremiah 23:19, Jeremiah 47:6-7, Jeremiah 50:35-38, Ezekiel 21:3-7 & 14-16

‘He treads the winepress of the nations’, Revelation 14:17-20, Jeremiah 9:21-22, Jeremiah 25:30-33, Jeremiah 49:35-37, Habakkuk 3:12, Psalm 65:1-3

‘I shall send fire’, Ezekiel 20:46-48, Joel 1:19-20, Amos 1:4,7,10,12,14. Amos 2:2,5. Obadiah 1:18, Zephaniah 3:8, Hebrews 10:27

‘I will judge you as well’, Ezekiel 23:32-34, Obadiah 1:16, Jeremiah 30:11, Ezekiel 7:1-27, Hosea 4:1-3, Hosea 12:2, Amos 4:12

‘The year for redeeming My own has come’, We are nearing the end of this age, the Lord will take action in His creation, as He did so long ago: as in the days of Noah. Isaiah 66:15-16, Micah 5:10-15, Habakkuk 3:12, Ezekiel 7:14

You're almost there.. you're just one concept off.

The day of the Lord's wrath ISN'T the day of the return of the Messiah, not all the way down to the earth anyway.

Revelation 6:12-17, and Revelation 14:14-20 describe the same event. But He's in the clouds, not on earth. Revelation 19:11-21 is a different event. You have to compare, one is on a throne in the clouds, 1 is on a white horse and on the earth. They are not the same event, they are different events. But Matthew 24 and 1 Thessalonians 4 describe coming in the clouds, that is, the first event in Revelation 6:12-13, and Revelation 14:14. NOT Revelation 19:11
The first event is the gathering together of the saints and the BEGINNING of the wrath of God, the "day of the Lord" as it were, and when Jesus actually touches down on earth, it has been the "year of my redeemed", where Jesus has been treading the winepress of His wrath on the earth (via the angels with the trumpets and bowls), one of the purposes of this wrath was to get vengeance on those who martyred and persecuted His redeemed. That is what I believe is meant. Because that's what He's spent at least 5 months doing, getting retribution.
 
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BTW on Joel 2, do you notice something about the things that are crawling up the house walls?

Joel 2
4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

Revelation 9
7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

So much of Revelation comes from the old testament. Joel saw the first woe.
Joel 2:2
2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness,

Revelation 9:2
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Some people read Joel 2 and think these are the army of the Lord, but .. with that Revelation 9 second witness there.. you see that these are demons, and it is a terrible judgement.
 
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The day of the Lord's wrath ISN'T the day of the return of the Messiah, not all the way down to the earth anyway.
This; the Prophets agree with.
Amos 1 & 2:1-5, Psalms 11:4-5, Habakkuk 3:4, Revelation 6:12-17, and 2 Peter 3:7, + all agree that the Lord will not be seen when He sends His wrath; fire from the sun, to change the world and commence all the end time events.
Some people read Joel 2 and think these are the army of the Lord, but .. with that Revelation 9 second witness there.. you see that these are demons, and it is a terrible judgement.
Joel 2:1-11 is a vivid description of what will happen when the Lord instigates a massive explosion on the suns surface. As we are told He will in Isaiah 30:26.

The countless host, Joel 2:2b, is better translated as huge mass.
A superheated mass of hydrogen will strike the earth, that will literally fulfil all the dramatic prophesies about that terrible Day.

Revelation 9:1-11 is the Fifth Trumpet. It will happen in the final 3 1/2 years; in the Great Trib.
The Sixth Seal event will come several years before that.
 
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This; the Prophets agree with.
Amos 1 & 2:1-5, Psalms 11:4-5, Habakkuk 3:4, Revelation 6:12-17, and 2 Peter 3:7, + all agree that the Lord will not be seen when He sends His wrath; fire from the sun, to change the world and commence all the end time events.

Nothing in those verses says that they won't see Him. In fact Revelation 6 shows they do see Him, sitting on His throne, and I'll add Revelation 1:7
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

This is EXACTLY what is happening in Revelation 6:12-17 everyone wailing/mourning and hiding themselves from Him that sitteth on the throne. They see Him. EVERYONE will see Him. Note this is exactly what's going on in Matthew 24:29-31 as well. Note this is not on the mount of olives, it's in the clouds. Coming in the clouds and touching down on the mount of olives on a white horse.. 2 different things, 2 different times.

Joel 2:1-11 is a vivid description of what will happen when the Lord instigates a massive explosion on the suns surface. As we are told He will in Isaiah 30:26.

The countless host, Joel 2:2b, is better translated as huge mass.
A superheated mass of hydrogen will strike the earth, that will literally fulfil all the dramatic prophesies about that terrible Day.

Revelation 9:1-11 is the Fifth Trumpet. It will happen in the final 3 1/2 years; in the Great Trib.
The Sixth Seal event will come several years before that.

Joel 2 describes armored horse like beings, just like the 5th trumpet. I dunno where you're reading in your CME interpretation but this is a direct scripture to scripture reference between Joel 2 and Revelation 9, and as I keep pointing out to you, Revelaion 6:17 marks the beginning of the wrath of God. The trumpets and vials, are the wrath of God, not tribulations. Tribulations are persecution, defined by Jesus in Matthew 13:21. Tribulations are persecution put out by wicked men.

We're promised that we will need to endure tribulation, but we're also promised, to be spared from the wrath of God (1 Thessalonians 5:9), and Isaiah 26:19-21

19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

See that? the dead rise up, Isaiah counts himself among them, the dead in Christ, and then invites us all to come into hiding till the time of indignation is past.

We're going to go through the tribulations, but we're not going to go through the trumpets and vials (and who causes the trumpet and vial judgements, it's not Satan, they're judgements ON Satan and the beast's kingdom, from God, not tribulations against Christians)
 
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Nothing in those verses says that they won't see Him. In fact Revelation 6 shows they do see Him, sitting on His throne, and I'll add Revelation 1:7


This is EXACTLY what is happening in Revelation 6:12-17 everyone wailing/mourning and hiding themselves from Him that sitteth on the throne. They see Him. EVERYONE will see Him. Note this is exactly what's going on in Matthew 24:29-31 as well. Note this is not on the mount of olives, it's in the clouds. Coming in the clouds and touching down on the mount of olives on a white horse.. 2 different things, 2 different times.



Joel 2 describes armored horse like beings, just like the 5th trumpet. I dunno where you're reading in your CME interpretation but this is a direct scripture to scripture reference between Joel 2 and Revelation 9, and as I keep pointing out to you, Revelaion 6:17 marks the beginning of the wrath of God. The trumpets and vials, are the wrath of God, not tribulations. Tribulations are persecution, defined by Jesus in Matthew 13:21. Tribulations are persecution put out by wicked men.

We're promised that we will need to endure tribulation, but we're also promised, to be spared from the wrath of God (1 Thessalonians 5:9), and Isaiah 26:19-21



See that? the dead rise up, Isaiah counts himself among them, the dead in Christ, and then invites us all to come into hiding till the time of indignation is past.

We're going to go through the tribulations, but we're not going to go through the trumpets and vials (and who causes the trumpet and vial judgements, it's not Satan, they're judgements ON Satan and the beast's kingdom, from God, not tribulations against Christians)
Your beliefs, not mine. We will soon see who's right.
The important thing is to stand firm in our faith and the Lord will protect His own.
 
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1 Thessalonians 5:1-2 About dates and times, my friends, there is no need for me to write to you, for you know perfectly well that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

The Day that Paul is talking about here cannot be the same Day as he mentions in 1 Thess. 4:13-18, or later in 2 Thess. 1-8 where he says that the Day Jesus Returns will not come until the Anti-Christ is revealed and enthrones himself in the Temple.
We read in Rev. 13:5 that the Anti-Christ is allowed to continue for 42 months, then Jesus will Return and chain him up for 1000 years. This time period is confirmed by Daniel 12:7 and again in Rev. 12:6 as 1260 days. [The three and a half year Great Tribulation]

Therefore those who are alive when the Anti-Christ declares himself to be God in the new Temple, can know exactly how long it will be before Jesus will Return. That glorious event should not be unexpected for them.

So what Day is Paul talking about in 1 Thess. 5:1:2? It is NOT the Return of Jesus on the Great Day of the Sovereign Lord, Rev. 16:14 and as described in Zechariah 14:3-5, Matthew 24:30, or Rev. 19:11-14, but it IS the terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath – a Day that will come unexpectedly.
Isaiah 29:5-6 …suddenly, in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with a great noise, storms, earthquakes and a devouring fire. Psalm 73:19, Jer. 4:20, Psalm 6:10, Psalms 11:4-6

1 Thess.5:3 While they are saying: Peace and safety, then sudden destruction will come upon them and there will be no escape. Ezekiel 7:16, Romans 2:3

It seems that just before this terrible Day, there may be an agreement of some kind in the Middle East, between Israel and the Islamists.
The world will breathe a sigh of relief, but as we are told in Psalms 144:11…their every word is worthless, every oath is false. They will simply use that time of lessened vigilance to prepare their attack. The moment of attack is the trigger for the Lord to arise and instigate His judgement/punishment by fire, a massive CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26, 2 Peter 3:7

2 Thess. 1:8 In flaming fire, the Lord Jesus will mete out punishment to all those who refuse to acknowledge their Creator and do not obey Him. Hebrews 10:27

1 Thess. 5:4-9 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that this Day should surprise you like a thief. You are all children of the light, we do not belong in the darkness. So then let us keep sober and alert, armed with the breastplate of faith and love, and with the hope of salvation as a helmet. God has not destined us to suffer His wrath, but for the full attainment of salvation through our Lord, Jesus Christ. Rev. 3:10

The punishment of the nations, the next prophesied event, the Sixth Seal - Rev 6:12-17, Isaiah 2:12-21, Jer. 23:19, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:10 and many other vivid prophecies, will literally be fulfilled on that Day of disaster for all the world. Everyone will be affected, Luke 21:35, and huge numbers of people will die. Isaiah 66:16, Jer. 9:22, Matthew 24:40. It will be God’s second ‘reset of civilization’, an event similar in scope to the flood in Noah’s day. At that time, only Noah knew what was going to happen, now only just a very few understand the truth, as Daniel 12:10 says. Mathew 24:37-39

We, who believe in God, trust Jesus for our salvation and rely on His protection, have the promise of 1 Thess. 5:9 that we will not suffer His wrath. Many prophesies say how the Lord will protect His people during His wrath against the wicked peoples. Isa. 43:2, Psalms 31:23-24, Jer. 17:7-8, +
 
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1 Thessalonians 5:1-2 About dates and times, my friends, there is no need for me to write to you, for you know perfectly well that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

The Day that Paul is talking about here cannot be the same Day as he mentions in 1 Thess. 4:13-18, or later in 2 Thess. 1-8 where he says that the Day Jesus Returns will not come until the Anti-Christ is revealed and enthrones himself in the Temple.
We read in Rev. 13:5 that the Anti-Christ is allowed to continue for 42 months, then Jesus will Return and chain him up for 1000 years. This time period is confirmed by Daniel 12:7 and again in Rev. 12:6 as 1260 days. [The three and a half year Great Tribulation]

Therefore those who are alive when the Anti-Christ declares himself to be God in the new Temple, can know exactly how long it will be before Jesus will Return. That glorious event should not be unexpected for them.

So what Day is Paul talking about in 1 Thess. 5:1:2? It is NOT the Return of Jesus on the Great Day of the Sovereign Lord, Rev. 16:14 and as described in Zechariah 14:3-5, Matthew 24:30, or Rev. 19:11-14, but it IS the terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath – a Day that will come unexpectedly.
Isaiah 29:5-6 …suddenly, in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with a great noise, storms, earthquakes and a devouring fire. Psalm 73:19, Jer. 4:20, Psalm 6:10, Psalms 11:4-6

1 Thess.5:3 While they are saying: Peace and safety, then sudden destruction will come upon them and there will be no escape. Ezekiel 7:16, Romans 2:3

It seems that just before this terrible Day, there may be an agreement of some kind in the Middle East, between Israel and the Islamists.
The world will breathe a sigh of relief, but as we are told in Psalms 144:11…their every word is worthless, every oath is false. They will simply use that time of lessened vigilance to prepare their attack. The moment of attack is the trigger for the Lord to arise and instigate His judgement/punishment by fire, a massive CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26, 2 Peter 3:7

2 Thess. 1:8 In flaming fire, the Lord Jesus will mete out punishment to all those who refuse to acknowledge their Creator and do not obey Him. Hebrews 10:27

1 Thess. 5:4-9 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that this Day should surprise you like a thief. You are all children of the light, we do not belong in the darkness. So then let us keep sober and alert, armed with the breastplate of faith and love, and with the hope of salvation as a helmet. God has not destined us to suffer His wrath, but for the full attainment of salvation through our Lord, Jesus Christ. Rev. 3:10

The punishment of the nations, the next prophesied event, the Sixth Seal - Rev 6:12-17, Isaiah 2:12-21, Jer. 23:19, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:10 and many other vivid prophecies, will literally be fulfilled on that Day of disaster for all the world. Everyone will be affected, Luke 21:35, and huge numbers of people will die. Isaiah 66:16, Jer. 9:22, Matthew 24:40. It will be God’s second ‘reset of civilization’, an event similar in scope to the flood in Noah’s day. At that time, only Noah knew what was going to happen, now only just a very few understand the truth, as Daniel 12:10 says. Mathew 24:37-39

We, who believe in God, trust Jesus for our salvation and rely on His protection, have the promise of 1 Thess. 5:9 that we will not suffer His wrath. Many prophesies say how the Lord will protect His people during His wrath against the wicked peoples. Isa. 43:2, Psalms 31:23-24, Jer. 17:7-8, +

alright so here's the thing. the Abomination of Desolation does not mean that Jesus returns right then and there. It's the start of the great tribulations which is the persecution of Christians, Jews, and anyone else who won't take the mark and worship the antichrist, by the world.
That can go on some time, up to 3 years (leaving 5 months for the 5th trumpet as an absolute minimum) after the abomination of desolation.
Jesus can return at any time during that 3 years, and for the world who has accepted the mark, they'll go on like normal, eating and drinking, marrying, and for them it'll be a time of relative peace, the wars and rumors of wars and famines that brought the antichrist into power would likely have been for the most part solved, part of why he's in power, and why many believe he's god.
Jesus says that the world will be going on like normal, as in the days of noah, and the days of Lot in matthew 24. Which means 1 of 2 things
Either He comes before any tribulations, which is not what He said in Matthew 24:29, and not what Paul taught in 2 Thessalonians 2:3
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He comes after the tribulations which the setup to the tribulations is war and famine and disease and disasters, how does anyone go on living like normal with all that going on?
It's a presumption I'll admit, but the way it makes sense is that after the antichrist seizes control of the world and declares himself God, that those problems all appear to dissipate. The natural disasters stop, or at least appear to (IE they won't get 24/7 news coverage), the wars appear to stop (again, can be done with reducing news coverage of breaches of peace), the economy appears to be stable, and as long as someone worships the beast and takes the mark, they have food on the table and shelter and clothes. It's a return to normalcy, and a return to sinful lifestyle, especially when the "religious extremists" who won't worship the beast, are being removed from society, arrested, executed, and people will think they deserve it.

This is how you get back to the days of lot, how you get back to the days of noah, a wicked world, where everyone is thinking they're dwelling in safety and comfort, while those who fear God know that disaster is coming.
It will be unexpected by many when the Abomination of Desolation happens, persecution of Christians happens, and there is no divine judgement right away, time passes. People might at first think of end times prophecy when someone does these things, but when nothing happens except Christians being martyred over months, maybe even over years.. they will go about their normal lives.

But at any time after those prerequisite conditions are met, within the alotted 42 months/1290 days/3.5 years, Jesus can come back, and it will catch most people totally off guard.

So yes, even with prerequisite signs, the day of the Lord can come as a thief in the night, and by this, I mean the rapture/gathering/Jesus in the clouds/beginning of the wrath of God.
After that happens it will NOT be as in the days of Lot or Noah, it will be disaster everywhere.
So there HAS to be 2 separate events.
BUT, if you'll remember, Revelation 16:12-14
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

See, Satan can read scripture, and is in fact, very knowledgeable about it, way more well versed than any human. He'll know when the abomination of desolation takes place, and knows that 1290 days later, is the end, which is Jesus returning on a white horse. Unlike the rapture/coming in the clouds, which has no specific day or hour, and is something witnessed worldwide, and we only know prerequisite conditions/signs, coming on the white horse on the mount of olives, has a specific day, and location.
So the Father can't be the only one who knows about that coming, because the angels know, which includes Satan, and so does anyone who reads the book of Daniel.

When you try to combine those 2 events into a single event, then you have to disregard the dates set in Daniel, because Jesus told us nobody knows the day or hour except God the Father.
But when you recognize 2 different events, you'll understand how Satan can prepare an army to meet at Armageddon, knowing where and when to expect Jesus.
 
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But when you recognize 2 different events, you'll understand how Satan can prepare an army to meet at Armageddon, knowing where and when to expect Jesus.
Right, there are 2 Days of the Lord:
The one that will happen very soon, is the Sixth Seal. Revelation 6:12-17
It will strike unexpectedly and set the scene for all the prophesied things, leading up the final 7 years and the end of the Christian age.
Then Jesus will Return, not unexpectedly and seen by all the world.

Satan does know he has just a short time of world control. Rev 12:12
The final 42 months. Revelation 13:5
But that time WILL be the Great Tribulation, it will be the first half of the 7 year peace treaty, that will be peaceful. Daniel 9:27
 
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Right, there are 2 Days of the Lord:
The one that will happen very soon, is the Sixth Seal. Revelation 6:12-17
It will strike unexpectedly and set the scene for all the prophesied things, leading up the final 7 years and the end of the Christian age.
Then Jesus will Return, not unexpectedly and seen by all the world.

Satan does know he has just a short time of world control. Rev 12:12
The final 42 months. Revelation 13:5
But that time WILL be the Great Tribulation, it will be the first half of the 7 year peace treaty, that will be peaceful. Daniel 9:27

The end of the world coming is at a specific location on earth itself, Armageddon, the earlier coming is in the clouds and THAT is the one that even Revelation 1:7, Matthew 24:29-30, and Revelation 6:12-17 say everyone will see Him (and the tribes of the earth mourn and hide themselves)
So we're like 95% on the same page just you don't want to see that coming in the clouds as the gathering of the saints, and you don't want to think He's visible to everyone on earth even though scripture says He is, and you want to associate the trumpets and vials as the tribulations rather than the wrath of God.
 
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The end of the world coming is at a specific location on earth itself,
The earth will never end, but the end of our civilization as we know it, will happen at the Sixth Seal; the next prophesied event.
Armageddon happens when Jesus Returns, after all the prophesied things between Rev 7 and Rev 19:1-10 take place.
He's visible to everyone on earth even though scripture says He is
Actually; at the Sixth Seal, the Lord will be revealed to His own. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 describes this.
you want to associate the trumpets and vials as the tribulations rather than the wrath of God.
Please don't make assumptions about my beliefs.
Of course the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls are God's wrath. Against the ungodly peoples, who have accepted the 'mark of the beast'.
Revelation 15:1 ....after that, the wrath of God is completed.
 
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The earth will never end, but the end of our civilization as we know it, will happen at the Sixth Seal; the next prophesied event.
Armageddon happens when Jesus Returns, after all the prophesied things between Rev 7 and Rev 19:1-10 take place.

Actually; at the Sixth Seal, the Lord will be revealed to His own. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 describes this.

Please don't make assumptions about my beliefs.
Of course the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls are God's wrath. Against the ungodly peoples, who have accepted the 'mark of the beast'.
Revelation 15:1 ....after that, the wrath of God is completed.

I wasn't making the assumption, but you earlier said that the trumpets were part of the tribulation, rather than God's wrath.
 
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The Abraham Accords, agreement to normalize relations between Israel, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, were signed on Tuesday 16th September 2020.

In his speech at the White House, Netanyahu encapsulated what we witnessed yesterday: “The end of conflict with the Arab world, economic benefits that will reverberate across borders in the Middle East, and perhaps more importantly – this peace is between peoples rather than leaders, which is a huge distinction. It's no longer an exclusive club of peace for leaders and their immediate circles, but peace for all. We are already dreaming of flying there and visiting”.

"We're here this afternoon to change the course of history," Trump said from a balcony overlooking the South Lawn. "After decades of division and conflict, we mark the dawn of a new Middle East.

Ref; Israel Hayom.
 
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while the King James uses "peace and safety" other translations like the ESV use "peace and security" so it's just a little bit on the nose when these diplomats are using the phrase "peace and security" at the Abraham Accord signing ceremony.
 
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while the King James uses "peace and safety" other translations like the ESV use "peace and security" so it's just a little bit on the nose when these diplomats are using the phrase "peace and security" at the Abraham Accord signing ceremony.
Whatever phrases people use, they mean the same thing;
At last, we have a settlement and an agreement between the Sunni Islamic peoples and Jewish Israel.

This accord is in no way the 7 year treaty as prophesied in Daniel 9:27
It fits perfectly with Paul's prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3. The Day of the Lord he refers to is not the glorious Return of Jesus, which will not be unexpected- as a thief. To apply that epithet to the Return is quite inappropriate and wrong, as those alive at that time will know the day of His arrival.
The Day of the Lord that will come suddenly and shocking everyone is the Sixth Seal disaster by fire from the sun, Isaiah 30:26-30, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7, sent by the Lord to clear and cleanse the holy Land and to set the scene for the establishment of a One World Govt.

Just as an aside; the 19-20th September - tomorrow; is the Day of Trumpets on the Jewish calendar.
Many may think this is significant and might be worried that the Lord will act on that Day. I do believe it will have a fulfillment during the end times, but not for the next prophesied event; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.
 
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