Why did The Archangel Michael contend with the devil about the body of Moses in Jude 1:9 ? (Repost)
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The OT records a number of resurrections before Christ.
Moses stands in glory with Christ in Matthew 17 in glorified bodily form. Only God can do that - Moses was resurrected and that is the event Jude references when he quotes from the book "The Assumption of Moses"
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Can't remember, a sermon I think, but I knew it to be true at the time, etc, sorry I can't provide you with more, etc...
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Death isn't required to be assumed to God.
I don't think Satan would argue for a body that suffered death. The wage for sin is payed. Death was not conquered yet.I'll have to look up The Assumption of Moses.
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The Bible says Moses died. So the "Assumption of Moses" can only be about the bodily resurrection and bodily assumption of Moses - such that in Matthew 17 he stands with Christ and Elijah in glorified form.
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We do not know what time period that Micheal contended with Satan.
We know that God had hidden the body of Moses It seems reasonable that Satan wanted the Body for His own deeds.
We know to Israel Moses was a Man who walked and talked with God,and was the lawgiver.
I could see Satan using a image of Moses to corrupt Israel.
Deuteronomy 34:6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Beth-peor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. 7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated. 8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended. 9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses. 10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, 11 In all the signs and the wonders, which the LORD sent him to do in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his land,
Some say that it was a image of Samuel that the witch of Endor had raised for Saul,and it was not the actual Spirit.
Saul was given a prophecy that came to pass by The summoned Spirit.
The Bible forbids Necromancy and divination.
So anything like the remains could have been used to corrupt Israel from the promised land.
Just a personal theory,The Lord only knows.
We know that God had hidden the body of Moses It seems reasonable that Satan wanted the Body for His own deeds.
We know to Israel Moses was a Man who walked and talked with God,and was the lawgiver.
I could see Satan using a image of Moses to corrupt Israel.
Deuteronomy 34:6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Beth-peor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. 7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated. 8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended. 9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses. 10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, 11 In all the signs and the wonders, which the LORD sent him to do in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his land,
Some say that it was a image of Samuel that the witch of Endor had raised for Saul,and it was not the actual Spirit.
Saul was given a prophecy that came to pass by The summoned Spirit.
The Bible forbids Necromancy and divination.
So anything like the remains could have been used to corrupt Israel from the promised land.
Just a personal theory,The Lord only knows.
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Saul goes to the witch and asks her to "conjure up for me" whomever I shall name "by thy familiar spirit" i.e. by the power of demons.
Clearly the demon speaking - in the form of Samuel -- was not Samuel.
The chapter makes it clear that God already commanded that no prophet minister to Saul - and Saul's way around that - was to go to the devil to see if the devil could make it work even though God said no-such-thing-was-going-to-be-allowed. So then a demon appears in the form of Samuel and Saul gets what he asked for - a demon pretending to be Samuel who WOULD act in the role of a prophet for Saul.
moral of story -- "Careful what you wish for if you ask that a demon be your prophet"
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Before Devil disputed with Angels for the dead. Now The Judge has been appointed.
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1 Samuel 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 10 And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing. 11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David: 18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day. 19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.
Well He said by the familiar spirit whom I will name.
Verse 12 states the woman saw Samuel.
Reminds me of a fortune teller conjuring demons,
to tell people what they want to hear,but Saul did not want to hear that.
This caught my eye,the familiar spirit?
Later in time Paul casts out a demon from a girl who had a spirit of divination.
That one had a name it was Python.
What I find odd is the prophecy to Saul was correct.
Israel did fall along with Saul and his sons.
Don't worry I was raised Baptist and never went to a fortune teller.
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Satan knew that Saul had been "crossing lines" most of his life as king and he knew that this act of coming to a witch and a demon would not get Saul "more protection from God" but rather "less". It was a pretty safe bet that Saul and in fact all of Israel would lose that battle.
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The straight forward interpretation is usually the easiest. The two archangels , one Michael Captain of Gods army and the other Lucifer who led/ leads a third of the angels out of heaven are disputing ownership of Moses body. Satan may think that Moses sin gave him ownership.
The Jewish tradition of the Assumption of Moses appears to be affirmed by this passage. Since we know Moses appears with Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration it seems God supported Michael in this dispute and at that the devil was indeed rebuked.
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That is a good point, when we are not told directly in Schripture what took place, a strong logical conclusion is our means.
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It is a long existed story among the ancient Jews. That's why it is recorded in the book of Jude. Its significance as recorded formally in our Scripture is to confirm that Satan is a physical entity the same as Michael as an archangel of God.
Not only that Satan is a physical entity, but also that he's a scary one.
Not only that Satan is a physical entity, but also that he's a scary one.
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He is not scary to God, nor was he scary to God with us Christ Who walked in a fleshly body as we all do, yet He was sinless.
Since satan is not omnipresent like God, he relies on his unclean spirits to cause afflictions on mankind.
Most often when we are bombed with unreal problems, we become vulnerable to sin.
That was satans plan from the beginning and that's his plan today.
He is the accuser of the saints.
It will be nice to not be weighted down by the troubles on this earth.
We already have everything we need given by Christ to have authority over unclean spirits, and other supernatural beings that would destroy us if they could.
It reminds me of the rich young ruler, he had done everything right being obedient to God.
He could not follow Christ due to giving all his earthly possessions.
Most of us would throw it all away and follow Jesus if we were offered the opportunity.
Our possessions are not t h e problem in the Church age,our main problem is a lack of Faith.
Without it it is impossible to please God.
Each one of us has a measure of Faith unto salvation, yet we fall short of the fullness of God when it comes to mountain moving Faith.
Faith is written over 300 times in the New Testament.
Jesus exhorted those who moved by great Faith, most were Gentiles.
Jesus compared Faith to more powerful than a atomic bomb.
Just one tiny bit could toss a mountain into the sea.
Can anyone imagine the dominion over this earth if all in the Body had great Faith?
A devil could not be in our company let alone torment us.
Jesus taught on Faith constantly, yet one minute Peter is being praised the next we see him deny Christ three times.
Its simple,a lack of Faith is unbelief.
All of us suffer due to a lack of Faith, we suffer needlessly.
Readers may think I'm teaching a Word of Faith message, its not.
It is Bible truth and I do not have a answer for our lack.
One day we are on top walking in victory the next day we are about to lose our minds.
Thank God for his Grace toward us!
2nd Corinthians chapter 4 is a good read to build our Faith.
I can only imagine the three Hebrew boys in the Faith they had at the furnace of fire to be thrown in.
What would we say at a time such as that?
we can pray and ask God to increase our Faith that would be all I know to do.
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Scripture says "having done everything" --- "stand firm".
Eph 6
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. 14 Stand firm therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
18 With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints,
far too many Christians "having NOT done everything" still expect "to stand firm"
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