Gigantic Icthyosaur Found With A 12 ft. Reptile Inside Its Stomach

cow451 · Sep 12, 2020

Contenders Edge said:
I'll assume the feeling to be mutual then.

To be frank, you’re posts aren’t memorable. But it’s business, not personal for me.

Contenders Edge · Sep 12, 2020

Tinker Grey said:
Nobody is insisting anything, and certainly not on blind faith.

Every question that has ever been answered that could have a factual answer has been answered by science. Everything accepted on the basis of science is accepted because of the evidence and provisionally since new evidence could arise. There is no faith here.

Every morning in all my years, the sun has arisen. (Or for the pedants, every morning the Earth has rotated such that the Sun appears to rise over the eastern horizon.) In the experience of all my acquaintances who may be older, the sun has arisen every morning. In the annals of history, no one has ever documented a time when the sun has not arisen.

Is it faith then if I assert that the sun will rise tomorrow? No. Of course not. It is evidence based that is accepted provisionally -- after all, it could be true that we about to be struck by a meteor of sufficient mass and with the appropriate angle to stop our rotation.

Every event that can be shown to have occurred and for which a cause can be ascertained has been caused by another physical event. Every state of affairs the universe has ever had has had a state of affairs which proceeded it that was physical. All of them, ever. Trillions multiplied by trillions multiplied by trillions multiplied by trillions multiplied by trillions ...

It is a reasonable expectation that the event that caused our universe to begin expanding will be discovered to be--if it can be discovered--physical and natural and not requiring divine intervention. Provisionally.

And any cause that might be called 'prior' to that one, will be discovered to be physical. Provisionally.

No faith required.

Faith has nothing to do with those things already seen and observed, but that which is unseen. You, by faith, hold to the belief that the expansion of the universe was physical and nature even though the proposed circumstances under which you might believe caused the universe to come into existence cannot be replicated, nor can you explain how unthinking forces can create order from disorder, but even your observation of the rising and setting of the sun testifies to order in the universe which can only be possible if order is planned and set in motion. How can unthinking and unplanning forces bring order to anything?

Contenders Edge · Sep 12, 2020

cow451 said:
To be frank, you’re posts aren’t memorable. But it’s business, not personal for me.

It's not personal for me, though there be those who would resort to making it personal.

Contenders Edge · Sep 12, 2020

cow451 said:
You can do it. The Designers are not plotting against you. But you will have to seek out new knowledge.

I never said that the designers were plotting against me, but that they have not placed a "delete" post option alongside or even within the "edit" section of submitted posts is a flaw in the system that is problematic for those who, by way of technical difficulties beyond their control, may inadvertently submit duplicate posts and I am sure I am not the only one who has searched in vain for a "delete" option.

Tinker Grey · Sep 12, 2020

Contenders Edge said:
How can unthinking and unplanning forces bring order to anything?

Like snow flakes?

Contenders Edge · Sep 12, 2020

Tinker Grey said:
Like snow flakes?

Ever seen one under a microscope? Ever heard it said that no two snow flakes are exactly alike? Takes an imagination much better than yours or mine to create snow flakes with such intricate and different designs.

Pommer · Sep 12, 2020

Contenders Edge said:
Ever seen one under a microscope? Ever heard it said that no two snow flakes are exactly alike? Takes an imagination much better than yours or mine to create snow flakes with such intricate and different designs.

Snowflakes are quantum structures.

Tinker Grey · Sep 12, 2020

Contenders Edge said:
Ever seen one under a microscope? Ever heard it said that no two snow flakes are exactly alike? Takes an imagination much better than yours or mine to create snow flakes with such intricate and different designs.

You do realize that "unthinking and unplanning forces" bring them together?

Contenders Edge · Sep 12, 2020

Tinker Grey said:
You do realize that "unthinking and unplanning forces" bring them together?

Set in motion, controlled, and maintained by a force that thinks and plans.

Contenders Edge · Sep 12, 2020

Pommer said:
Snowflakes are quantum structures.

That unthinking and unplanning forces could never have set into motion.

MIDutch · Sep 12, 2020

Contenders Edge said:
How can unthinking and unplanning forces bring order to anything?

Gravity is an unthinking, unplanning force. It can, and often does, take vast masses of stellar system debris and brings order to them by turning them into near perfect spheres called planets.

Gee, I wonder how it does that?

MIDutch · Sep 12, 2020

Contenders Edge said:
That unthinking and unplanning forces could never have set into motion.

Maybe it IS snowflake pixies.

Contenders Edge · Sep 12, 2020

MIDutch said:
Gravity is an unthinking, unplanning force. It can, and often does, take vast masses of stellar system debris and brings order to them by turning them into near perfect spheres called planets.

Gee, I wonder how it does that?

Well, well, well. You can't answer your own question.

Contenders Edge · Sep 12, 2020

MIDutch said:
Maybe it IS snowflake pixies.

Well, well, well, the sarcastic scoffer acknowledges that the intricate design of snowflakes cannot be formed by unplanning and unthinking processes after all.

Pommer · Sep 12, 2020

Contenders Edge said:
Well, well, well, the sarcastic scoffer acknowledges that the intricate design of snowflakes cannot be formed by unplanning and unthinking processes after all.

Look, you’re welcome to believe anything that keeps you sane.
That it appears insane to anybody else shouldn’t matter.
You know in your heart that it is true and that’s wonderful!

But I have other priorities than to believe as thou.
Fare thee well.

cow451 · Sep 12, 2020

Contenders Edge said:
I never said that the designers were plotting against me, but that they have not placed a "delete" post option alongside or even within the "edit" section of submitted posts is a flaw in the system that is problematic for those who, by way of technical difficulties beyond their control, may inadvertently submit duplicate posts and I am sure I am not the only one who has searched in vain for a "delete" option.

I’ve deleted many. It does require more effort than hitting a button .....perhaps the designer wasn’t as intelligent as you...

cow451 · Sep 12, 2020

MIDutch said:
Gravity is an unthinking, unplanning force. It can, and often does, take vast masses of stellar system debris and brings order to them by turning them into near perfect spheres called planets.

Gee, I wonder how it does that?

It watched YouTube and figured it out.

Contenders Edge · Sep 12, 2020

Pommer said:
Look, you’re welcome to believe anything that keeps you sane.
That it appears insane to anybody else shouldn’t matter.
You know in your heart that it is true and that’s wonderful!

But I have other priorities than to believe as thou.
Fare thee well.

So be it then. Don't see why you even bother to visit a "Christian Forum" anyway if it is not to learn about Christ.

cow451 · Sep 12, 2020

Contenders Edge said:
So be it then. Don't see why you even bother to visit a "Christian Forum" anyway if it is not to learn about Christ.

A poster is so welcoming...,,

Contenders Edge · Sep 12, 2020

cow451 said:
I’ve deleted many. It does require more effort than hitting a button .....perhaps the designer wasn’t as intelligent as you...

If I had been the designer, I would have placed a "delete post" option button where it could be easily seen. I would not have made forum users search for it.

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