93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds

Jermayn · Sep 12, 2020

The Barbarian said:
So you've equated "protestors" to "rioters." I get it now. But your excuse fails. But maybe I'm wrong. I see that she's promoting bail for protestors. Show us that she asked for bail money for those arrested for violent crimes.

Haha, “protesters”. You have your proof. If you choose not to believe it, that’s on you. Also, there’s no evidence that Kamala bailed out right wing rioters posing as BLM because there are so few its irrelevant. Thanks for invalidating you’re own point you were trying to make.

renniks · Sep 12, 2020

The Barbarian said:
Sounds like a major retreat there. As we've established, right wing extremists are out there, killing police officers, burning buildings and cars, and rioting. So far, no one has been able to show BLM doing that.

So how about "screaming obscenities?" Well, that depends. If they get in someone's face and do so, it's usually considered to be assault because it's perceived as threatening. If they yell obscenities away from others, the law says it's freedom of speech.

If two people get in each other's faces and scream at each other, it can be disorderly conduct for both of them.

Show us BLM doing that. Remember, BLM, not just anyone you think might be BLM.

I'm not allowed to post all the videos on BLM screaming obscenities as people, but there are plenty. Your hogwash about it all being right-wing extremists is laughable, and everyone here knows it.
In the Trump parades, BLM supporters were screaming obscenities, and ripping flags off cars and just being the foolish children they are.

The Barbarian · Sep 12, 2020

renniks said:
I'm not allowed to post all the videos on BLM screaming obscenities as people, but there are plenty.

As you know, shouting obscenities, so long as you don't do it in someone's face, is considered by the Supreme Court to be free speech. And yes, extremists of both sides do that. It's not surprising that you can't document that any BLM member has, though.

On the other hand as you learned, it is right-wing extremists who have been caught murdering police, faking websites, burning buildings, and rioting. There's a reason for that. As I showed you, Russian operatives seem to have an obsession with BLM, and are going to great lengths to show that BLM is doing those things. So far, no one has found any BLM members doing so.

The Barbarian · Sep 12, 2020

Jermayn said:
Haha, “protesters”. You have your proof. If you choose not to believe it, that’s on you.

Comes down to evidence. And you have been extremely reluctant to provide any. For reasons we all understand. Next time, come prepared.

renniks · Sep 12, 2020

The Barbarian said:
As you know, shouting obscenities, so long as you don't do it in someone's face, is considered by the Supreme Court to be free speech. And yes, extremists of both sides do that. It's not surprising that you can't document that any BLM member has, though.

On the other hand as you learned, it is right-wing extremists who have been caught murdering police, faking websites, burning buildings, and rioting. There's a reason for that. As I showed you, Russian operatives seem to have an obsession with BLM, and are going to great lengths to show that BLM is doing those things. So far, no one has found any BLM members doing so.

Literally hundreds of BLM members have been arrested. It's not as if you become a member by paying dues and joining, anyone who quotes the slogans and protests is a member. Even churches are attacked.

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The Barbarian · Sep 12, 2020

renniks said:
Literally hundreds of BLM members have been arrested.

But you can't show us even one? How odd.

renniks said:
It's not as if you become a member by paying dues and joining, anyone who quotes the slogans and protests is a member.

That's not what BLM says. You have to agree with their statement of purpose. We get that you want to cast the net as wide as possible, but that dodge isn't going to work for you. Let us know when you actually get something checkable.

renniks · Sep 12, 2020

The Barbarian said:
But you can't show us even one? How odd.

That's not what BLM says. You have to agree with their statement of purpose. We get that you want to cast the net as wide as possible, but that dodge isn't going to work for you. Let us know when you actually get something checkable.

I just did show you some, lol.

The Barbarian · Sep 12, 2020

renniks said:
I just did show you some, lol.

Which of them is actually a BLM member? You've be apopleptic if someone just put up someone white people misbehaving and claimed they were right-wing terrorists.

You seem to have no such problems doing the same thing.

renniks · Sep 12, 2020

The Barbarian said:
Which of them is actually a BLM member? You've be apopleptic if someone just put up someone white people misbehaving and claimed they were right-wing terrorists.

You seem to have no such problems doing the same thing.

So all the people screaming " black's lives matter" are actually not saying what they are saying. Got it, lol.

Searching1God · Sep 12, 2020

The Barbarian said:
And those guys seem to be leftists. One more step. Show that they are members of BLM. And additional step if you want to call BLM a terrorist organization, would be to show that they had leadership positions in BLM, or that their actions were expressly approved by BLM leaders.

There are radical leftists. Sometimes, they can be as violent as radical rightists are commonly found to be.

How can I or anyone show that they are members of BLM? There is no card carrying membership to BLM unless you are in the higher echelons of the organization. I know plenty of people who support BLM but they are not listed on an official BLM website with list of members.

I never said I wanted to call BLM a terrorist organization. But I do believe they have to take responsibility for a lot of the mayhem that has been happening in the name of BLM in these past 4 months. And it is a proven fact that the leaders said they were Marxist trained.

Now, people do evolve. Maybe they have abandoned the tenets of Marxism. I notice on the official website, there is no mention of their Marxist sympathies.

Searching1God · Sep 12, 2020

The Barbarian said:
That was the problem. As you know, the "agitators" weren't burning buildings, killing police, or rioting. They were just protesting. Trump's secret police initially weren't actually able to find any criminals, but they did grab some people off the street and hold them without charges. Apparently, they were recruited ICE agents, and so not very useful for actual law enforcement.

More recently, they seem to have actually started to enforce the law...

On Monday night, there were seven arrests, said Federal Protective Service Deputy Director of Operations Richard Cline. Two of the arrests involved assault on a federal law enforcement officer and the other five were misdemeanor charges.

"Assaulting police" is a common charge, one of the least effective in terms of getting a conviction. It's usually something tossed in when there's nothing else that can be applied.

But it may be that the massive presence of these unidentified troops may have actually arrested five vandals.

The local police were a lot more effective than that. But then, they are police.

Ok, are you saying that in Portland, there were no right wings masquerading as Antifa/BLM?

But overall, let's just say for the sake of argument that you are right, that most if not all of the violence has been engineered by right wings/boogaloo posing as leftists. The rest of the protesters must still take responsibility for not stopping them from doing what they were doing. The media needs to take responsibility for looking the other way and labeling all protests as peaceful or "mostly" peaceful.

I noticed that most of my leftist or left leaning friends and acquaintances do not seem to be bothered by the violence. Not sure if it is denial or maybe they have seen very little of it on their computer screens. Google's algorithm give us more of what we focus on, and less of what we do not focus on.

Albion · Sep 12, 2020

Searching1God said:
Now people do evolve. Maybe they have abandoned the tenets of marxism. I notice on the official website, there is no mention of their marxist sympathies.

They know better than to do that. But what BLM has been doing fits with Marxist thinking and strategy remarkably well.

The notion that this movement is NOT Marxist in its ways and goals doesn't correlate with what it does. We see the vandalizing of churches and burning of Bibles. How does that reflect the desire for racial justice or an end to police brutality, etc.? It doesn't; but it does fit with Marxism.

And there's the use of the internationally recognized Communist fist salute AKA the "black power" salute, threats to burn down the whole American "system," the destruction of statues of heroes of the nation including some with no connection to slavery or the oppression of any races, and also the demands for the re-segregation of associations and facilities (!) rather than the opposite which is what civil rights groups demanded for decades.

In short, this is not just another black movement for diversity, equality, and so on.

public hermit · Sep 12, 2020

renniks said:

If that dude represents the scary BLM, I think we're good, hahaha. ^_^

RDKirk · Sep 12, 2020

renniks said:
So all the people screaming " black's lives matter" are actually not saying what they are saying. Got it, lol.

These are people who assent to the basic sentiment that "a black suspect in police custody deserves the same consideration as a white suspect in police custody."

These people have not necessarily agreed to everything on the "official" BLM website or everything some "spokesperson for BLM" says on the Internet or over a megaphone.

The Barbarian · Sep 13, 2020

Searching1God said:
Ok, are you saying that in Portland, there were no right wings masquerading as Antifa/BLM?

No, I was saying:
That was the problem. As you know, the "agitators" weren't burning buildings, killing police, or rioting. They were just protesting. Trump's secret police initially weren't actually able to find any criminals, but they did grab some people off the street and hold them without charges. Apparently, they were recruited ICE agents, and so not very useful for actual law enforcement.

More recently, they seem to have actually started to enforce the law...

On Monday night, there were seven arrests, said Federal Protective Service Deputy Director of Operations Richard Cline. Two of the arrests involved assault on a federal law enforcement officer and the other five were misdemeanor charges.

"Assaulting police" is a common charge, one of the least effective in terms of getting a conviction. It's usually something tossed in when there's nothing else that can be applied.

But it may be that the massive presence of these unidentified troops may have actually arrested five vandals.

The local police were a lot more effective than that. But then, they are police.

The Barbarian · Sep 13, 2020

public hermit said:
If that dude represents the scary BLM, I think we're good, hahaha.

Compared to right wing "accelerationists" out there shooting police officers and fire-bombing buildings, not much, um?

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