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Romans 11:32, this is the most ridiculous one of all.

Begin reading in 11:25 to see the context that leads up vs 32.

The context of the chapter is Israel in contrast to the Gentiles.

God has concluded them all (Israel and the Gentiles) in unbelief.

You see Steven, Paul is explaining here in vs. 30 that the Gentile nations have rreceived mercy from God through the unbelief of Israel. They have all been concluded in unbelief but now salvation has come to us the Gentiles through the rejection of Christ by Israel.

"mercy upon all" is referring to the world in respect to contrast between Israel and the Gentile nations.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with universal restoration.
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>>>ShrewdMgr>That's what I'm talking about Charlie. When God Himself swears an OATH BY HIMSELF, we should pay close attention. Because it doesn't get any more real than that.
And God sware by Himself to Abraham, that ALL Nations of the world would be blessed through him, and God sware by Himself to Cyrus that ALL the ends of the earth would turn to Him and be saved, EVERY knee bowing and tongue confessing to the glory of God.
Now why would you not give those glorious holy beautiful perfect absolute sovereign and mighty promises their full value? C'mon Charlie cast the money changers from the temple. Why won't you take God at His word on these matters? He SWORE AN OATH both times. Don't you believe?
,<<<ShrewdMgr<[/QUOTE]
As someone else has already pointed out UR-ites have a penchant for quoting disparate scriptures out-of-context.
There are no nations in the grave/hell. There are no "ends of the earth" in the grave/hell. Your proof texts refer to living people in this world.
Contrary to what UR-ites say, scripture does NOT say that all mankind will bow "in reverent love for their Maker." etc.
Exomologeō occurs eleven times in the NT, including Phil 2:11. In the other 10 it never means “whole-heartedly… without reservation (no holding back)”etc.
In Philippians 2:11exomologeō is an aorist, active, subjunctive. The subjunctive is the mood of possibility or potentiality. The action may or may not happen. Every knee should bow not “will bow.”

Matthew 3:6 “confessing their sins,” Matthew 11:25 “thank,” Mark 1:5 “confessing their sins,” Luke 10:21 “thank,” Luke 22:6 “promised,” Acts of the apostles 19:18 “confessed their deeds,” Romans 14:11 “confess,” Romans 15:9 “confess Christ,” James 5:16 “confess your faults,” Revelation 3:5 “confess his name”
…..Scripture says that every knee should bow but only believers will do so freely, willingly in love and faith, the others will be conquered enemies. How will the enemies of Jesus feel?
Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, *(fn) Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
…..*(fn)"That day" =the day of judgment.]
After judgment day and “I never knew you: depart from me,” there are no more chances for reconciliation.
The word of God says every knee should bow. It must be important because it is repeated 3 times.

1. Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
2. Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
3. Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
But the " the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, murderers, sexually immoral, those who practice magic, idolaters, liars" etc.[cf. Rev 21:8] everyone who denied God and Christ all their lives will be forced to their knees, i.e. become Jesus’ footstool, and forced to proclaim that Jesus is Lord.
This is another important point it is recorded 7 times in scripture. The followers of UR ignore these verses.

1. Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2. Matthew 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
3. Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
4. Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Luke 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
5. Acts of the apostles 2:34-35
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool..
6. Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
7. Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;.
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
What does “make your enemies your footstool mean?” Joshua, the OT type of Jesus, shows us in Josh. 10.
Josh 10:5-15 five kings band together to make war against Israel and were defeated.

Joshua 10:17 And it was told Joshua, saying, The five kings are found hid in a cave at Makkedah….
Joshua 10:22-24
22 Then said Joshua, Open the mouth of the cave, and bring out those five kings unto me out of the cave.…
24 And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them.

Joshua 10:26 And afterward Joshua smote them, and slew them, and hanged them on five trees: and they were hanging upon the trees until the evening.
The enemies of Joshua were made his footstool then destroyed. They did not become faithful, obedient members of his army.
The enemies of Jesus become His footstool as the enemies of Joshua did and nowhere is it written that those enemies will be reconciled.
 
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>>>ShrewdMgr>That's what I'm talking about Charlie. When God Himself swears an OATH BY HIMSELF, we should pay close attention. Because it doesn't get any more real than that.
And God sware by Himself to Abraham, that ALL Nations of the world would be blessed through him, and God sware by Himself to Cyrus that ALL the ends of the earth would turn to Him and be saved, EVERY knee bowing and tongue confessing to the glory of God.
Now why would you not give those glorious holy beautiful perfect absolute sovereign and mighty promises their full value? C'mon Charlie cast the money changers from the temple. Why won't you take God at His word on these matters? He SWORE AN OATH both times. Don't you believe?
,<<<ShrewdMgr<
As someone else has already pointed out UR-ites have a penchant for quoting disparate scriptures out-of-context.
There are no nations in the grave/hell. There are no "ends of the earth" in the grave/hell. Your proof texts refer to living people in this world.
Contrary to what UR-ites say, scripture does NOT say that all mankind will bow "in reverent love for their Maker." etc.
Exomologeō occurs eleven times in the NT, including Phil 2:11. In the other 10 it never means “whole-heartedly… without reservation (no holding back)”etc.
In Philippians 2:11exomologeō is an aorist, active, subjunctive. The subjunctive is the mood of possibility or potentiality. The action may or may not happen. Every knee should bow not “will bow.”

Matthew 3:6 “confessing their sins,” Matthew 11:25 “thank,” Mark 1:5 “confessing their sins,” Luke 10:21 “thank,” Luke 22:6 “promised,” Acts of the apostles 19:18 “confessed their deeds,” Romans 14:11 “confess,” Romans 15:9 “confess Christ,” James 5:16 “confess your faults,” Revelation 3:5 “confess his name”
…..Scripture says that every knee should bow but only believers will do so freely, willingly in love and faith, the others will be conquered enemies. How will the enemies of Jesus feel?
Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, *(fn) Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
…..*(fn)"That day" =the day of judgment.]
After judgment day and “I never knew you: depart from me,” there are no more chances for reconciliation.
The word of God says every knee should bow. It must be important because it is repeated 3 times.

1. Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
2. Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
3. Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
But the " the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, murderers, sexually immoral, those who practice magic, idolaters, liars" etc.[cf. Rev 21:8] everyone who denied God and Christ all their lives will be forced to their knees, i.e. become Jesus’ footstool, and forced to proclaim that Jesus is Lord.
This is another important point it is recorded 7 times in scripture. The followers of UR ignore these verses.

1. Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2. Matthew 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
3. Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
4. Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Luke 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
5. Acts of the apostles 2:34-35
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool..
6. Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
7. Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;.
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
What does “make your enemies your footstool mean?” Joshua, the OT type of Jesus, shows us in Josh. 10.
Josh 10:5-15 five kings band together to make war against Israel and were defeated.

Joshua 10:17 And it was told Joshua, saying, The five kings are found hid in a cave at Makkedah….
Joshua 10:22-24
22 Then said Joshua, Open the mouth of the cave, and bring out those five kings unto me out of the cave.…
24 And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them.

Joshua 10:26 And afterward Joshua smote them, and slew them, and hanged them on five trees: and they were hanging upon the trees until the evening.
The enemies of Joshua were made his footstool then destroyed. They did not become faithful, obedient members of his army.
The enemies of Jesus become His footstool as the enemies of Joshua did and nowhere is it written that those enemies will be reconciled.

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Yeah, I'd feel like a complete loser who should do everyone a favour and commit suicide if I ever gave away the perfection of God's great and perfect promises to save ALL MANKIND.
 
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That's what I'm talking about Charlie. When God Himself swears an OATH BY HIMSELF, we should pay close attention. Because it doesn't get any more real than that.

And God sware by Himself to Abraham, that ALL Nations of the world would be blessed through him, and God sware by Himself to Cyrus that ALL the ends of the earth would turn to Him and be saved, EVERY knee bowing and tongue confessing to the glory of God.

Now why would you not give those glorious holy beautiful perfect absolute sovereign and mighty promises their full value? C'mon Charlie cast the money changers from the temple. Why won't you take God at His word on these matters? He SWORE AN OATH both times. Don't you believe?

God also swore an oath that "they shall not enter into my rest." Heb. 3:11, referring to the Hebrews in the wilderness who rebelled against God for 40 years.

What do you suppose that means?
 
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Yeah, I'd feel like a complete loser who should do everyone a favour and commit suicide if I ever gave away the perfection of God's great and perfect promises to save ALL MANKIND.
So you believe every single human from adam until the last person born in the future will be saved ?

Every mass murderer, child molester, rapist, genocide etc ????
 
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God also swore an oath that "they shall not enter into my rest." Heb. 3:11, referring to the Hebrews in the wilderness who rebelled against God for 40 years.

What do you suppose that means?

It means they won't enter into His rest until He relents, when He's good and ready. Because He is a gracious God of love, who relents from full punishment and shows mercy. Praise His holy name.
 
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So you believe every single human from adam until the last person born in the future will be saved ?

Every mass murderer, child molester, rapist, genocide etc ????

Salvation isn't a reward for being good. The righteous don't need a doctor. It's an act of divine grace for the needy, the lost, the brokenhearted, the demonised...it's for God's glory. And who needs salvation more than the chief of sinners? So stop confusing salvation with inheritance.
 
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Salvation isn't a reward for being good. The righteous don't need a doctor. It's an act of divine grace for the needy, the lost, the brokenhearted, the demonised...it's for God's glory. And who needs salvation more than the chief of sinners? So stop confusing salvation with inheritance.
so in the end everyone is saved ........................ YIKES
 
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Yeah, I'd feel like a complete loser who should do everyone a favour and commit suicide if I ever gave away the perfection of God's great and perfect promises to save ALL MANKIND.
Unfortunately empty platitudes do not address the scripture I posted.
 
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so in the end everyone is saved ........................ YIKES

And who gets saved in your book? Just you and your big fish? Are the reprobates nuts too tough for Jesus to crack? Or does he give them what they deserve - their miserable grubby filthy lives earn them eternal hell. Yeahhh satan.
 
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It means they won't enter into His rest until He relents, when He's good and ready. Because He is a gracious God of love, who relents from full punishment and shows mercy. Praise His holy name.
Please show us that scripture which says God will relent and save all the people who rejected him in this life?
 
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And who gets saved in your book? Just you and your big fish? Are the reprobates just nuts too tough for Jesus to crack? Or does he give them what they deserve - their miserable grubby filthy lives earn them eternal hell. Yeahhh satan.
Jesus says that FEW are on the narrow road that leads to life and MANY are on the broad road that leads to destruction.

So I believe Jesus teaching , not your opinion.

hope this helps !!!
 
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Unfortunately empty platitudes do not address the scripture I posted.

Yea I'd be a whited sepulchre full of dead men's bones, I'd be a viper and a son of the devil, a blind guide devouring widow's houses...if I held to anything less than the great and perfect promises of God.

It's like those ppl who still believe there's some killer virus out there. They're so pitiful, the walking dead. And among them scholarly zombies, zombies of mensa, walking dead of the intelligensia lol. ALL STILL DEAD regardless.

But Jesus comes to raise the dead, restore sight, and heal leprosy. First step is to recognise your need.
 
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Jesus says that FEW are on the narrow road that leads to life and MANY are on the broad road that leads to destruction.

So I believe Jesus teaching , not your opinion.

hope this helps !!!

I believe that scripture. Why be dishonest and claim I don't? No call for it. Walk the narrow path there brother.
 
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Please show us that scripture which says God will relent and save all the people who rejected him in this life?

Scripture amply shows God saving those who reject Him. That's what the Bible is all about. Geez mate, are you ok there?
 
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Scripture amply shows God saving those who reject Him. That's what the Bible is all about. Geez mate, are you ok there?
Where is a single person who rejects Christ in the bible who has eternal life ?

Its just the opposite its eternal torment and suffering.

geez mate are u ok ?
 
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Scripture amply shows God saving those who reject Him. That's what the Bible is all about. Geez mate, are you ok there?
Please show me one verse, 2 or more would be better, where God, Himself, or Jesus, Himself says that the dead in the grave/hell will repent and be saved?
 
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which agrees with my POV and lines up with scripture not universalism.

Thanks !
Obviously you have some misunderstandings about Universalism. But that's to be expected.
 
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