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Christians who take every part of the bible literally, the flood according to the bible happened a little over 4000 years ago. A global flood like that 20 feet over the tallest mountain. Your water 4 miles deep. A flood like that would have ripped the earth to pieces and flattened every thing. The oldest man made structure go back 10's of thousands of years none of them would have survived the flood. Geology, biology, physics, and astronomy and carbon dating (Advancing technology has allowed radiocarbon dating to become accurate to within just a few decades in many cases). The bible is the history and myths of the Jewish people. That does not mean god is not real but it does mean, the earth is not flat, diseases were caused by germs not evil spirits, the earth is not the center of the universe. The people of the ancient world believed what they believed out of ignorance. Now as for a massive destructive flood like the Black sea flood, that is probably the truth of the flood that every culture on the planet has a story for. But as for the bibles version of the flood it did not happen.
How tall was the highest mountain at the time of the great flood in Noah's time? It's hard to say because we were not there. Somehow you people can't understand we where not there. All of the dating methods you trust are true? It is as hard to believe the Bible as it is to believe your side.
 
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How tall was the highest mountain at the time of the great flood in Noah's time? It's hard to say because we were not there. Somehow you people can't understand we where not there. All of the dating methods you trust are true? It is as hard to believe the Bible as it is to believe your side.
by the same token you can't say there was a flood because you were not there.
 
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I'm going to throw in the old chestnut that God being omnipotent, can do anything He likes. For example He could make carbon in various states that scientists, in the incredibly short period of time we have been able to measure the radioactivity in it, have interpreted as being decay over millions of years. Or maybe the rate of decay has been misinterpreted.
Several years ago I read a very interesting newspaper article on how carbon dating works. What they said it comes down to is the rate of carbon decay was deduced from the assumption of the age of the carbon being dated. They took fossils that they "knew" the age of dated and the carbon from them. It went on to say that if that assumption of the age was incorrect carbon dating was based on flawed data.
In order to test it they took a piece of wood that was of known origin. The dates are from memory but definitely very close although I cant be 100% they are exact. It had records to show it was 250 years old. It was from a building that had records that said when the trees were planted, when they were cut down and when the building was made. Samples were sent to 3 carbon dating labs. They came back with results something like 250,000 years, 20 million years and 250 million years (this one may have been 200 million, but I think it was 250).
The fact is this is fallible man's interpretation. There is evidence that supports most of man's theories being flawed. As Dr Brian Cox said when I heard him on a radio interview, the big bang and evolution are still called theories and taught as true as they are what we consider to be true to the best of our ability. But we used to "know" that the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth until our understanding improved. It is entirely possible that a lot of what we are taught as truth now will be proved wrong in the future. So if you want to have faith in science and believe mans interpretation go ahead, I wont try to stop you.
I will put my faith in God telling the truth and it not needing proving beyond doubt. That's why its called faith.
 
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I'm going to throw in the old chestnut that God being omnipotent, can do anything He likes. For example He could make carbon in various states that scientists, in the incredibly short period of time we have been able to measure the radioactivity in it, have interpreted as being decay over millions of years. Or maybe the rate of decay has been misinterpreted.
Several years ago I read a very interesting newspaper article on how carbon dating works. What they said it comes down to is the rate of carbon decay was deduced from the assumption of the age of the carbon being dated. They took fossils that they "knew" the age of dated and the carbon from them. It went on to say that if that assumption of the age was incorrect carbon dating was based on flawed data.
In order to test it they took a piece of wood that was of known origin. The dates are from memory but definitely very close although I cant be 100% they are exact. It had records to show it was 250 years old. It was from a building that had records that said when the trees were planted, when they were cut down and when the building was made. Samples were sent to 3 carbon dating labs. They came back with results something like 250,000 years, 20 million years and 250 million years (this one may have been 200 million, but I think it was 250).
The fact is this is fallible man's interpretation. There is evidence that supports most of man's theories being flawed. As Dr Brian Cox said when I heard him on a radio interview, the big bang and evolution are still called theories and taught as true as they are what we consider to be true to the best of our ability. But we used to "know" that the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth until our understanding improved. It is entirely possible that a lot of what we are taught as truth now will be proved wrong in the future. So if you want to have faith in science and believe mans interpretation go ahead, I wont try to stop you.
I will put my faith in God telling the truth and it not needing proving beyond doubt. That's why its called faith.
That is very interesting but as God created all things he also created time, how does that fit in? God also created Adam and Eve as adults having the appearance of age.
So if God made a rock today how old is that rock?
I do agree with you, and I hope you will consider my thoughts
thanks.
 
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Christians who take every part of the bible literally, the flood according to the bible happened a little over 4000 years ago. A global flood like that 20 feet over the tallest mountain. Your water 4 miles deep. A flood like that would have ripped the earth to pieces and flattened every thing. The oldest man made structure go back 10's of thousands of years none of them would have survived the flood. Geology, biology, physics, and astronomy and carbon dating (Advancing technology has allowed radiocarbon dating to become accurate to within just a few decades in many cases). The bible is the history and myths of the Jewish people. That does not mean god is not real but it does mean, the earth is not flat, diseases were caused by germs not evil spirits, the earth is not the center of the universe. The people of the ancient world believed what they believed out of ignorance. Now as for a massive destructive flood like the Black sea flood, that is probably the truth of the flood that every culture on the planet has a story for. But as for the bibles version of the flood it did not happen.
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The pre-flood Earth did not have plate tectonics nor high mountains. The flood was caused by the breaking of the Earth's crust. See Atlantic Rift and Pacific Rift. There was water between the crust and the mantle and this water was under enormous pressure. As the crust ripped apart this water was ejected into the atmosphere where it cooled rapidly and fell as rain. The crust now ripped apart in various other places and plates were created and these started moving around and crashed into each other forming the mountain ranges that we now have.
Why do all cultures have flood stories? Well all cultures are the progeny of Noah, Ham, Shem and Japheth and they all told the flood story.
 
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Christians who take every part of the bible literally, the flood according to the bible happened a little over 4000 years ago.

The Bible doesn't say that, James Ussher said that and last time I checked he wasn't God. He was a Bishop with faulty doctrine, so I would take anything he said with a grain of salt.

A global flood like that 20 feet over the tallest mountain. Your water 4 miles deep.
The flood pushed the mountains up, so how deep the water was at the point it covered the mountains nobody knows.

A flood like that would have ripped the earth to pieces and flattened every thing.

The flood did rip everything and change everything and it didn't just flatten it made areas go up and down.

The oldest man made structure go back 10's of thousands of years none of them would have survived the flood.
Again you are subscribing dates.

Geology, biology, physics, and astronomy and carbon dating (Advancing technology has allowed radiocarbon dating to become accurate to within just a few decades in many cases).

Acurite for the world as it is now. The world we have now is not the world they had at the flood and the world at the flood was not the world they had at creation. Before the flood, the world was protected by a thick moisture blanket preventing most cosmic rays. Radiocarbon dating uses Cosmic rays.
What is radiocarbon dating? | EarthSky.org

Cosmic rays – high-energy particles from beyond the solar system – bombard Earth’s upper atmosphere continually, in the process creating the unstable carbon-14. Carbon-14 is considered a radioactive isotope of carbon. Because it’s unstable, carbon-14 will eventually decay back to carbon-12 isotopes. Because the cosmic ray bombardment is fairly constant -It is now, it wasn't like this before the flood- there’s a near-constant level of carbon-14 to carbon-12 ratio in Earth’s atmosphere.

The bible is the history and myths of the Jewish people.

The Bible is God's living word to us.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

You claim its a book of myths, but the Bible says it is a two-edge sword, God-breathed, able to judge, teach and equip God's people.


That does not mean god is not real

Any 'god' spelt with a small 'g' is not God.

but it does mean, the earth is not flat

Never said it was.

diseases were caused by germs not evil spirits

Wow, who would have thunk that?

I see you have an extremely low opinion of us 6 day creationists. If you think we all believe those two silly statements^ then you don't understand what we believe at all.

the earth is not the center of the universe.
I don't believe the Bible mentions this one way or another so no opinion.

The people of the ancient world believed what they believed out of ignorance.

Mosses wrote what God told him to write

Now as for a massive destructive flood like the Black sea flood, that is probably the truth of the flood that every culture on the planet has a story for. But as for the bibles version of the flood it did not happen.

Because you were there? I'm impressed. I'm so glad we have a living eye witness. What did we do before you came along and set us all straight?

As a Christian, you might want to think twice before telling God that his word is a myth and that what he had people write is rubbish.

Matthew 22:29
But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God.
 
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Christians who take every part of the bible literally, the flood according to the bible happened a little over 4000 years ago. A global flood like that 20 feet over the tallest mountain. Your water 4 miles deep. A flood like that would have ripped the earth to pieces and flattened every thing. The oldest man made structure go back 10's of thousands of years none of them would have survived the flood. Geology, biology, physics, and astronomy and carbon dating (Advancing technology has allowed radiocarbon dating to become accurate to within just a few decades in many cases). The bible is the history and myths of the Jewish people. That does not mean god is not real but it does mean, the earth is not flat, diseases were caused by germs not evil spirits, the earth is not the center of the universe. The people of the ancient world believed what they believed out of ignorance. Now as for a massive destructive flood like the Black sea flood, that is probably the truth of the flood that every culture on the planet has a story for. But as for the bibles version of the flood it did not happen.

Science can give us a reason to deny God or science can be used to show us how incredible God is. It's up to us what to with it. God bless!

Christ love,
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Christians who take every part of the bible literally, the flood according to the bible happened a little over 4000 years ago. A global flood like that 20 feet over the tallest mountain. Your water 4 miles deep. A flood like that would have ripped the earth to pieces and flattened every thing. The oldest man made structure go back 10's of thousands of years none of them would have survived the flood. Geology, biology, physics, and astronomy and carbon dating (Advancing technology has allowed radiocarbon dating to become accurate to within just a few decades in many cases). The bible is the history and myths of the Jewish people. That does not mean god is not real but it does mean, the earth is not flat, diseases were caused by germs not evil spirits, the earth is not the center of the universe. The people of the ancient world believed what they believed out of ignorance. Now as for a massive destructive flood like the Black sea flood, that is probably the truth of the flood that every culture on the planet has a story for. But as for the bibles version of the flood it did not happen.
You are ignoring the supernatural often found in scripture.
 
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I'm going to throw in the old chestnut that God being omnipotent, can do anything He likes. For example He could make carbon in various states that scientists, in the incredibly short period of time we have been able to measure the radioactivity in it, have interpreted as being decay over millions of years. Or maybe the rate of decay has been misinterpreted.
Several years ago I read a very interesting newspaper article on how carbon dating works. What they said it comes down to is the rate of carbon decay was deduced from the assumption of the age of the carbon being dated. They took fossils that they "knew" the age of dated and the carbon from them. It went on to say that if that assumption of the age was incorrect carbon dating was based on flawed data.
In order to test it they took a piece of wood that was of known origin. The dates are from memory but definitely very close although I cant be 100% they are exact. It had records to show it was 250 years old. It was from a building that had records that said when the trees were planted, when they were cut down and when the building was made. Samples were sent to 3 carbon dating labs. They came back with results something like 250,000 years, 20 million years and 250 million years (this one may have been 200 million, but I think it was 250).


This is a pretty well known fraud. Carbon dating pretty much has a limit of being able to date anything to 50,000 years. No Carbon dating could show 250000 years much less 250 million

The fact is this is fallible man's interpretation. There is evidence that supports most of man's theories being flawed. As Dr Brian Cox said when I heard him on a radio interview, the big bang and evolution are still called theories and taught as true as they are what we consider to be true to the best of our ability.
the strange idea that illness are caused by micro organisms far to small to be seen with the naked eye is also just a theory. Germ Theory to be specific
 
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The pre-flood Earth did not have plate tectonics nor high mountains. The flood was caused by the breaking of the Earth's crust. See Atlantic Rift and Pacific Rift. There was water between the crust and the mantle and this water was under enormous pressure. As the crust ripped apart this water was ejected into the atmosphere where it cooled rapidly and fell as rain. The crust now ripped apart in various other places and plates were created and these started moving around and crashed into each other forming the mountain ranges that we now have.
the physics of what you are suggesting is cringe worthy.

Why do all cultures have flood stories? Well all cultures are the progeny of Noah, Ham, Shem and Japheth and they all told the flood story.
not all cultures do have flood stories. THe idea that the sun is transported across the sky by some sort animal is far more common in human cultures, but I don't think that counts as evidence that a giant invisible dung beetle is actually pushing the sub across the sky
 
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Acurite for the world as it is now. The world we have now is not the world they had at the flood and the world at the flood was not the world they had at creation. Before the flood, the world was protected by a thick moisture blanket preventing most cosmic rays. Radiocarbon dating uses Cosmic rays.

oh the "thick moisture blanket. Right. to have sufficient moisture to flood the earth it would have to be miles thick. Meaning that sunlight couldn't get through it so the earth would have been pitch black. Such a blanket would increase air pressure to thousands of pounds per square inch so...it would matter is there was no sunlight because everything should be crushed under the weight. And the "blanket" would act like a blanket keeping heat in and giving way to a runaway greenhouse effect. the surface temperature of the crushed lightness earth woudl be thousand of degrees, enough that the whole thing woudl be molten
 
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the surface temperature of the crushed lightness earth woudl be thousand of degrees, enough that the whole thing woudl be molten

There would be light from the incandescent rocks/lava on the surface. But your point is well-taken.
 
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This is a pretty well known fraud. Carbon dating pretty much has a limit of being able to date anything to 50,000 years. No Carbon dating could show 250000 years much less 250 million

Yeah, this came from the imagination of some creationists who were unaware of the limitations of carbon dating. In fact, the first recorded tests of the age of rocks came from uranium isotopes in 1907 by Boltwood, who was acting on a suggestion by Rutherford that such dating should be possible.
 
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