Covenant and New Covenant theology
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It converges at faith and obedience.
Every time.
Jew and Gentile are ethnic distinctions. Ethnic Gentiles could not, and cannot, lose their ethnicity by converting to Judaism.
Israelites were comprised of ethnic Jews and ethnic Gentiles.
Today, Abraham's genes are ubiquitous within the entirety of humanity.
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But I did, as the 10 'lost' tribes are the Christian peoples. Mostly by actual descent, the rest; by grafting in.
Your determination to make the Jewish State of Israel, the only Israel, is very misplaced. They obviously do not fit the prophesies given to each tribe by Jacob and Moses. They are not as many as the sands of the sea.
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No plan outside of Christ for salvation. The new covenant is redemption of our souls by Jesus's sacrifice on the cross making atonement for our sins, AND the redemption of our bodies, to come in the resurrection, or by rapture if living, by His resurrection, Jesus being the firstfruits.
God has a plan that the Kingdom of God will be the ruling kingdom here on earth over the nations. Jesus will rule the nations with a rod of iron. But the nations don't become the church.
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How many of the Chinese, the India people, the Japanese people, the African people, the South American people, make up the ten northern tribes? You are presenting an irrational argument.
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If you would like to review an intense study on this question; you might be surprised.
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My point was the mass numbers of people of the world making up the church are not the ten tribes.
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With all of the intermarrying that has been going on for thousands of years; what percentage of the world population would you estimate might have a trace of Abraham's blood?
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Abraham was ancestor to many more people than the twelve tribes. The twelve tribes come from the twelve sons of one of Abraham's grandsons - Jacob. So it is two different issues.
What I a sure of is that everyone goes back to Noah. And before Noah, Adam.
The fact that Israel became a nation in one day, Isaiah 66:7-8, is indication that the two sticks representing the ten northern tribes and two southern tribes, Ezekiel 37, are back together again in the land of Israel, albeit not in full numbers.
But in numbers sufficient that Ezekiel 38 can be fulfilled in the parable of the fig tree generation. I mean if a person is looking at eschatology and not to justifying a man-made system called covenant and new covenant theology.
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Are you having problems seeing Romans 11:5?
I cannot make it any bigger than what is found below.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
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So you believe Peter was writing to those in today's geopolitical Israel when he wrote 1st and 2nd Peter? That's not what I read:
1 Peter 1:1 ~ This letter is from Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ. I am writing to God’s chosen people who are living as foreigners in the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia.
Link to ancient map:
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Link to modern map
"Political Map of Turkey - Nations Online Project" Political Map of Turkey - Nations Online Project
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That doesn't change Peter’s audience.
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Do you believe that was 1 & 2 Peter were written to today's geopolitical Israel?
1 Peter 1:1 (KJV) ~ Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia
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The original Greek text for 1 Peter 1:1 includes that Peter was writing to the ἐκλεκτοῖς (eklektois) - which means "chosen by God"
"1 Peter 1:1 Lexicon: Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen" 1 Peter 1:1 Lexicon: Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen
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"1 Peter 1:1 Lexicon: Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen" 1 Peter 1:1 Lexicon: Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen
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If you have to ignore scripture to make your doctrine work, you have revealed it for what it really is.
Are you having problems seeing Romans 11:5?
I cannot make it any bigger than what is found below.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
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