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Narnia is filled with witchcraft that the Bible condemns.
So I would not regard anything Lewis has to say about Heaven.

Sorry you have to lie about CS Lewis. Anyone who dioesn't like him is not worth their salt
 
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Narnia is filled with witchcraft that the Bible condemns.
So I would not regard anything Lewis has to say about Heaven.
That’s exactly right.

CS Lewis promoted all sorts of wickedness. He is not a source I would listen to.
 
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When we finally leave this earth and go to be with the Lord God Almighty unto the Heavenly Jerusalem

What do you imagine this place where He resides to be like?

When getting there will you have a lot of questions to be asked then?

Would it, to you, be possible for free-will to exist in this place with the Lord God Almighty?

Will we be able see Jesus Christ of Nazareth?

What do you imagine there will be to do here in this new place?

When pass on unto this place, will we receive a new body from our old one?

What do you say about animals being around in this place? Even pets from the past?

What you think about having your family with you?

Would you believe that some say you wont even be able to tell who each other were at one point (family)?

Please feel free to share whatever comes to your mind about this topic, it would lovely to hear the responses from each person who does!



Some say, there is virgins and other wives to be taken in heaven.
Some say, there is probably radical waves and oceans to be surfed along side.
Some say, there is cloud sitting, playing instruments and singing.
Some say, there is nothing but worshiping proclaiming to the Lord God Almighty day and night.
Some say, possibly if there isn't any ocean in heaven they might not even wanna be there!
"Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him (1 Corinthians 2:9).” No matter what answer one gives, we are probably wrong. If we could visualize, repeat what we've heard, or imagine in our hearts what God has prepared for us, then Paul would not have stated otherwise.
 
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Here is a description of heaven you will enjoy -

Heaven

I've never liked descriptions like that. It sounds like we give up good things, things that God made to be good, they're just yanked away from us even if they were good.

First century people were scared of the sea, so no oceans? What about for the people who love the oceans?

No marriage, no children, that's the saddest one. It was a union that God created to be a good thing, and then after death, ripped apart for ever, permanently severed from a beloved spouse, rather than reunified in that relationship you loved, they can only be brother and sister in Christ now, and for those who never had a marriage, or never had children but had a desire to, an eternity of unfulfilled desire.

A Father is not a child, He does not fill that role.
A male God is not a wife, He does not fill that role.

The only way He can make it not unfulfilled desire is to take away those desires and make us forget we had them. I don't like that explanation. Just taking away, taking away, taking away.

Is that really it? Choose God to the exclusion of anything and everything else?
God first I can do, God only is where it feels completely wrong. It makes all of creation seem pointless if all God wanted was for us to fall on our face around the throne. Why not just make the throne, a blank empty white space, and just fill it with people to fall on their faces for eternity. Wouldn't even God be bored of that quickly?
 
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When we finally leave this earth and go to be with the Lord God Almighty unto the Heavenly Jerusalem

What do you imagine this place where He resides to be like?

When getting there will you have a lot of questions to be asked then?

Would it, to you, be possible for free-will to exist in this place with the Lord God Almighty?

Will we be able see Jesus Christ of Nazareth?

What do you imagine there will be to do here in this new place?

When pass on unto this place, will we receive a new body from our old one?

What do you say about animals being around in this place? Even pets from the past?

What you think about having your family with you?

Would you believe that some say you wont even be able to tell who each other were at one point (family)?

Please feel free to share whatever comes to your mind about this topic, it would lovely to hear the responses from each person who does!



Some say, there is virgins and other wives to be taken in heaven.
Some say, there is probably radical waves and oceans to be surfed along side.
Some say, there is cloud sitting, playing instruments and singing.
Some say, there is nothing but worshiping proclaiming to the Lord God Almighty day and night.
Some say, possibly if there isn't any ocean in heaven they might not even wanna be there!
“I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, whether in the body, I cannot tell, or whether out of the body, I cannot tell, God knoweth: such a one, caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell, God knoweth), how that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.” 2 Corinthians 12:2–4 (NCPB)
 
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Sorry you have to lie about CS Lewis. Anyone who dioesn't like him is not worth their salt

This is like saying I am lying about space rockets going into outerspace.
Anyone can pick up the books, and watch the movies and see it is a promotion of magic.
I have read C.S. Lewis.

The Voyage of the Dawn Treader" is the third book in the Narnia series. It directly promotes spells and magic.

Chapter 10 ("The Magician's Book") features a book of spells that is on an island inhabited by invisible creatures called Dufflepuds. Lucy works a spell to make the Dufflepuds visible. She goes through a spell book. Then she finds the right spell and says the words and follows the instructions. And then the Dufflepuds (and Aslan) become visible. Her spell made Aslan visible, and he is pleased with what she did.

One spell is illustrated with pictures of bees that look as if they are really flying. In the world of C.S. Lewis’ day, this would not have caused practical problems. However, these days, kids can go to regular bookstores and buy spell books written by modern witches.

Many Christians are treating the Narnia books as being an allegory, with Aslan representing Jesus and the children representing Christians. If you do this with “The Voyage of the Dawn Treader,” then you portray Jesus as being pleased when Christians do magic and work spells. And you support the idea that that there are “good” spells and “good” magic. That belief is the basis for modern “white” witchcraft. However, the Bible clearly forbids any form of witchcraft:

"There shall not be found among you anyone who... practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD." (Deuteronomy 18:10-12)

Source:
Trouble in Narnia: The Occult Side of C.S. Lewis

In other words, if a character (in the series) casts a spell, that is clearly a practice of sorcery that the Bible condemns. There is never an instance where casting a spell or sorcery is ever approved of by God. So Lewis promoting the sin of witchcraft in the series (with no correction upon such a sin). It does not matter if the sin of witchcraft leads to a positive solution or not (if there is no correction on the sin of witchcraft itself). The same can be said if adultery was promoted in the film. If a person commits adultery, and the result lead them to a happy ending, it is even worse because it is teaching that good things will happen to you if you sin. Both adultery and sorcery are a promotion of sin if such a thing is not corrected or rebuked.
 
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Kids have actually wanted to dabble in real magic or sorcery as a result of Harry Potter. So if they are not similar then why would then why would they do such a thing? It's because Harry Potter and Narnia are promoting witchcraft.

It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the fantasy magic used in movies is a representation of the real sorcery or magic used by those who are witches or sorcerers. That would be like saying a cartoon dog is not based upon a real dog in any way. Even if it is not exactly identical, it is at the core the same concept. Ex witches turned Christian can spot a ton of the same occult things in these books and movies. Just read their testimonies.

If the Narnia series were true Christian movies, then that means a person can label a inappropriate content movie as Christian because it has Christian elements within it. Such talk is ridiculousness.
 
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Anyways, getting back on topic:

When we think about Heaven, we should not go beyond what is written in Scripture. Speculation is only that. Speculation. What good will come of it? Can we imagine what we want Heaven to be like? Can we make something true about Heaven that is not true? I would say the truth of Heaven is a better alternative. Everything else is just fantasy or guessing. I am content with what Scripture says about it, and leave the rest as a mystery.
 
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Anyways, getting back on topic:

When we think about Heaven, we should not go beyond what is written in Scripture. Speculation is only that. Speculation. What good will come of it? Can we imagine what we want Heaven to be like? Can we make something true about Heaven that is not true? I would say the truth of Heaven is a better alternative. Everything else is just fantasy or guessing. I am content with what Scripture says about it, and leave the rest as a mystery.
Because an eternity of doing nothing but falling on our face and singing just doesn't sound all that appealing, and that's basically what the bible says about heaven.
 
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Because an eternity of doing nothing but falling on our face and singing just doesn't sound all that appealing, and that's basically what the bible says about heaven.
Remember our final destination is not heaven but the new heavens and the new earth. God is recreating this present earth and it will be better than the original we now live in because sin, the fall and satan will no longer be in the new one. Jesus will rule and reign in the new one as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. There will be no need for the sun because God will be its light. It will be beyong anything we can think or imagine. The New Jerusalem comes down from heaven to the new earth and its dimensions are 1500 miles squared. We can read about it in Revelation 20-22

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Remember our final destination is not heaven but the new heavens and the new earth. God is recreating this present earth and it will be better than the original we now live in because sin, the fall and satan will no longer be in the new one. Jesus will rule and reign in the new one as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. There will be no need for the sun because God will be its light. It will be beyong anything we can think or imagine. The New Jerusalem comes down from heaven to the new earth and its dimensions are 1500 miles squared. We can read about it in Revelation 20-22

hope this helps !!!

By "heaven" I just mean the dwelling place of God. On the new earth, God dwells on the new earth, so that makes the new earth Heaven in that sense.

But the same thing. All the bible really describes is falling on our faces, singing, and worship. Without any speculations or dreams, eternity with God sounds monotonous.
I much prefer when people DO speculate, because if they can make it sound better, and it is said to be even better than we can imagine, then that is far more hopeful, than just falling on our faces around the throne singing HOLY HOLY HOLY until we beg God to not exist anymore.
Doing any 1 singular thing over an extended period of time is boring, even if you really enjoy that one single thing. Eat your favorite food every single meal of every single day and very quickly you'll be sick of it and not want to eat it again for a long time.
In fact didn't that happen to the Israelites in the time of Moses? They quite simply got bored of eating Manna every single meal of every single day?
 
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By "heaven" I just mean the dwelling place of God. On the new earth, God dwells on the new earth, so that makes the new earth Heaven in that sense.

But the same thing. All the bible really describes is falling on our faces, singing, and worship. Without any speculations or dreams, eternity with God sounds monotonous.
I much prefer when people DO speculate, because if they can make it sound better, and it is said to be even better than we can imagine, then that is far more hopeful, than just falling on our faces around the throne singing HOLY HOLY HOLY until we beg God to not exist anymore.
Doing any 1 singular thing over an extended period of time is boring, even if you really enjoy that one single thing. Eat your favorite food every single meal of every single day and very quickly you'll be sick of it and not want to eat it again for a long time.
In fact didn't that happen to the Israelites in the time of Moses? They quite simply got bored of eating Manna every single meal of every single day?
The scene in heaven is during the tribulation period not during the new heavens and earth so that needs to be considered. In that scene its all about worship but there is a context in Revelation 4-5 prior to Gods wrath being poured out upon all mankind.

I will post some other passages describing other things besides 24/7 worship.
 
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First century people were scared of the sea, so no oceans? What about for the people who love the oceans?

water covers 75% of the Earth's surface - how much of it have you personally experienced?
We know more about the moon that vast sections of the ocean floor.

In the New Earth at lot more people will be living here - than do now at some point. Instead of being 75% devoted to fish and 25% to supporting humanity -- it will be more "balanced".

No marriage, no children, that's the saddest one.

You got that from Matthew 22.

All the children ever born who died as a small child -- will be there as children in heaven when we get there - parents separated from their small child by death will be re-united with them in heaven and will be their for their 4th birthday, and 5th birthday etc. nothing missed. How can that possibly be "bad news"???

Mothers and fathers will raise their child in that perfect holy sinless environment. The child will not have known even a minute of the separation and pain endured on this Earth by their parent at the death of their child.
 
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Remember our final destination is not heaven but the new heavens and the new earth.


True --- but first we will be in heaven during the millennium taken there at the 2nd coming as Jesus promised in John 14:13- .. then after a 1000 years God brings the New Jerusalem down to Earth and that is when the New Earth is created.

God is recreating this present earth and it will be better than the original we now live in

He will do that after the millennium - but for now it is a mess.
 
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you read it??



what good things are given up in that link's description of heaven?
oceans and marriage, are a few of them. I also prefer night because I like the stars and the soft light of the moon over glaring hot light of the sun and daytime, I prefer the quiet and peace of evening and night time too, vs the hustle and bustle of the day. Daytime narrows our scope of creation, it limits what we can see to just our own planet, and one blinding light. Night time lets you see off into the vastness of creation that declares the glory of God. So night, is a good thing that God created, that in the bible, God takes away.
 
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water covers 75% of the Earth's surface - how much of it have you personally experienced?
We know more about the moon that vast sections of the ocean floor.

In the New Earth at lot more people will be living here - than do now at some point. Instead of being 75% devoted to fish and 25% to supporting humanity -- it will be more "balanced".



You got that from Matthew 22.

All the children ever born who died as a small child -- will be there as children in heaven when we get there - parents separated from their small child by death will be re-united with them in heaven and will be their for their 4th birthday, and 5th birthday etc. nothing missed. How can that possibly be "bad news"???

Mothers and fathers will raise their child in that perfect holy sinless environment. The child will not have known even a minute of the separation and pain endured on this Earth by their parent at the death of their child.

and for people who never had children, never had the chance, such as those children who died young?
 
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