Jonathan Cahn makes a reference to Trump rebuilding the temple...

mkgal1 · Sep 10, 2020

Jipsah said:
I doubt he's ever heard of those folks, much less trying to woo their dozens of devotees.

Franklin Graham seems to have the same "eschatology" as these guys and Graham has been pretty close to Trump.

Jipsah said:
Oh, please!. Anyway, I'm not going to argue politics here.

??? I'm not sure who/what this is in response to. I'm focused on religion here....not really politics (although it involves political power).

Blade · Sep 10, 2020

Both love the lord both have been right on some things off on others.

Cis.jd · Sep 10, 2020

BABerean2 said:
The statement was made during an appearance on the Jim Bakker show:

I am not a fan of Cahn, or Bakker.

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I read his book the Paradigm. Anything about him should be ignored. It's most certainly silly trash.

DavidPT · Sep 11, 2020

BABerean2 said:
The statement was made during an appearance on the Jim Bakker show:

I am not a fan of Cahn, or Bakker.

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I haven't watched the video nor have any interest in doing so, yet I'm wondering if he also thinks Trump might sit in it after it's built, therefore fulfilling 2 Thessalonians 2:4 in the process? After all, haven't some ppl on the net and elsewhere claimed Trump might be the AC? If Trump is the most powerful man on the planet now, because he holds the office of US Presidency, imagine what his power status would be elevated to if he were to sit in that temple after it's built?

jgr · Sep 11, 2020

DavidPT said:
I haven't watched the video nor have any interest in doing so, yet I'm wondering if he also thinks Trump might sit in it after it's built, therefore fulfilling 2 Thessalonians 2:4 in the process? After all, haven't some ppl on the net and elsewhere claimed Trump might be the AC? If Trump is the most powerful man on the planet now, because he holds the office of US Presidency, imagine what his power status would be elevated to if he were to sit in that temple after it's built?

Where would he sit?

1. Last pew
2. First pew
3. Choir loft
4. Throne in the men's room
5. None of the above because it's a naos spiritual temple

keras · Sep 11, 2020

jgr said:
Where would he sit?

1. Last pew
2. First pew
3. Choir loft
4. Throne in the men's room
5. None of the above because it's a naos spiritual temple

Unfortunately, jgr; your premise that there won't be a new physical Temple, is a contradiction of rather a lot of the Prophetic Word.
Prophecy plainly states there will be a One World Govt, we can see that coming, as the nations struggle to feed, educate and house their citizens.
Initially, the OWG will be ruled by 10 Presidents, Daniel 7:24, Revelation 17:12, who will soon give their authority to one powerful man.

That man will eventually be revealed as the 'beast', Rev 13:1-8
He will sit in the new Temple in Jerusalem, exactly as Paul says in 2 Thess 2:4 Why must you deny this?

BABerean2 · Sep 11, 2020

keras said:
He will sit in the new Temple in Jerusalem, exactly as Paul says in 2 Thess 2:4 Why must you deny this?

A rebuilt temple in earthly Jerusalem will not be God's temple, because the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ is now God's temple. See what Peter said below.

1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

If there is one man who is the global "antichrist" he may claim to be a "Christian", who will turn against the true Church. The Reformers believed the Papacy was the "antichrist" system of scripture. The purpose of the "Counter-Reformation" was to reverse what the Reformers believed. Modern Dispensational Theology promoted by Jonathan Cahn and others is a direct result of the Counter-Reformation efforts of Ribera, and Lacunza, who were Jesuit priests. Lacunza's book "The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty" was the original source of modern Dispensationalism.

The Reformers believed Rome was the city on seven hills.
However, they ignored the other city on seven hills which is found below.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

See also Romans 2:28-29, and 1 John 2:22-23, and 2 John 1:7-11, and Revelation 2:9, and Revelation 3:9.

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Dave L · Sep 11, 2020

Any Temple and any plans to sacrifice animals is a formal rejection of Christ by "Christians" and a return to Judaism. It is an unforgivable sin according to Hebrews 6.

parousia70 · Sep 11, 2020

keras said:
Prophecy plainly states there will be a One World Govt

This is the ONLY one world Government PLAINLY prophesied:

Of the increase of His government and peace There will be no end, Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, To order it and establish it with judgment and justice From that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Isaiah 9:7

parousia70 · Sep 11, 2020

keras said:
He will sit in the new Temple in Jerusalem, exactly as Paul says in 2 Thess 2:4 Why must you deny this?

Scripture (and Paul) Denies it.

The Temple of Jerusalem was standing at the time Paul Wrote to the Thessalonians, and its takeover was in progress at the time he is writing to his 1st century audience:

"it will not come unless...the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God...while I was still with you, I was telling you these things...and you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work"

Right there Paul says (1) that there was at that time a living adult male human being who was being restrained from taking his seat at the time he is writing and (2) that the Thessalonians knew what was restraining this grown man from taking his seat in the Temple. So, there is no question that a then-contemporary event is being described.

The man of sin was being restrained in the first century, and the Thessalonians knew who was restraining that man before his takeover of the Jerusalem Temple at AD 66-67. It was obviously a first-century event.

Handmaid for Jesus · Sep 11, 2020

BABerean2 said:
A rebuilt temple in earthly Jerusalem will not be God's temple, because the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ is now God's temple.

No it will not be God's temple. But the Jews will believe it is because they still reject Jesus as the Messiah.

BABerean2 said:
If there is one man who is the global "antichrist" he may claim to be a "Christian", who will turn against the true Church.

No he will not claim to be a Christian. The Jews would reject him if he claimed to be a Christian. He will claim to be God.Lord Jesus had this to say about him.
John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
I think we need to be very observant here. If Trump builds the Temple, or Kushner, or Netanyahu , or some other man/being, we will know who/what he is.Especially if this happens.
2Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

But who do we know that always he is the greatest ever?

Handmaid for Jesus · Sep 11, 2020

Dave L said:
Any Temple and any plans to sacrifice animals is a formal rejection of Christ by "Christians" and a return to Judaism. It is an unforgivable sin according to Hebrews 6.

Jews are not Christians. They reject Christ. They will rebuild the brick and mortar temple.

Arc F1 · Sep 11, 2020

mkgal1 said:
Now I may be bringing in disagreement

I don't believe Trump is trying to portray himself as a prophet....but i do believe he's gladly going along with this narrative that Cahn, Bakker, et al are telling. I think that's why he named Jerusalem the capital of Israel - to go along with their narrative.

It does appear that he is being guided but then again I can't see it being any of his so called spiritual advisors. They know they aren't getting into heaven.

BABerean2 · Sep 11, 2020

Handmaid for Jesus said:
No it will not be God's temple. But the Jews will believe it is because they still reject Jesus as the Messiah.

No he will not claim to be a Christian. The Jews would reject him if he claimed to be a Christian. He will claim to be God.Lord Jesus had this to say about him.
John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
I think we need to be very observant here. If Trump builds the Temple, or Kushner, or Netanyahu , or some other man/being, we will know who/what he is.Especially if this happens.
2Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

But who do we know that always he is the greatest ever?

New Temple Coin:

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jgr · Sep 11, 2020

keras said:
Unfortunately, jgr; your premise that there won't be a new physical Temple, is a contradiction of rather a lot of the Prophetic Word.
Prophecy plainly states there will be a One World Govt, we can see that coming, as the nations struggle to feed, educate and house their citizens.
Initially, the OWG will be ruled by 10 Presidents, Daniel 7:24, Revelation 17:12, who will soon give their authority to one powerful man.

That man will eventually be revealed as the 'beast', Rev 13:1-8
He will sit in the new Temple in Jerusalem, exactly as Paul says in 2 Thess 2:4 Why must you deny this?

Paul disagrees.

If he had intended a physical temple in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, he would have used eidóleion or hieros/hieron as he did in the associated Scriptures below.

But he didn't. He used naos, consistent with his intended spiritual meaning, as in the associated Scriptures below.

Who is Paul's best interpreter?

1. Paul
2. Not Paul

Couldn't be easier.

Paul's temples:

"naos" spiritual:

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Ephesians 2:21,22
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
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22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

"eidóleion" physical:

1 Corinthians 8:10
For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

"hieros/hieron" physical:

1 Corinthians 9:13
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

jgr · Sep 11, 2020

Handmaid for Jesus said:
No it will not be God's temple.

Isn't this the millennial temple that Christ will occupy, and in which "memorial" sacrifices will be offered?

DavidPT · Sep 11, 2020

jgr said:
Where would he sit?

1. Last pew
2. First pew
3. Choir loft
4. Throne in the men's room
5. None of the above because it's a naos spiritual temple

First of all that post was somewhat of a joke, but apparently no one found it funny. The fact there are literally ppl who think Trump might be the AC, and here Trump is supposedly going to help get it built, and if he is the AC like some suppose, this indicates he is the one that would be literally sitting in it after it's built.

To set the record straight, I'm not one that believes there will be a rebuilt 3rd brick and mortar temple in the future to begin with, which then is supposed to literally fulfill 2 Thessalonians 2:4. But there are some that believe that, and some of them also think Trump could be the AC.

But I do believe the fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 2:4 involves the end of this age and not events pertaining to the first century. Obviously, it would be #5 on your list that fits with some of my thinking on some of this. But even so, there are many, like I already pointed out, that take these things hyper literally, as if Paul only knew about 1 type of temple at the time, that being like the 2nd temple, and that he didn't know about another type, though in some of his other letters they prove he did, therefore one must conclude a literal brick and mortar temple is meant in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, despite of all that. No, one does not need to conclude that if there is another possibility as well, that the temple should be taken in the spiritual sense instead.

usexpat97 · Sep 11, 2020

Trump just took credit for establishing full diplomatic ties between Israel and Bahrain. This is after getting nominated for Nobel Peace for establishing a peace treaty between the UAE and Israel.

Any end-timers out there on the lookout for an Antichrist to establish a peace treaty with Israel? I certainly don't want to break any CF rules barring speculation about an Antichrist, but, those are two facts....

jgr · Sep 11, 2020

DavidPT said:
one must conclude a literal brick and mortar temple is meant in 2 Thessalonians 2:4

Who is Paul's best interpreter?

1. Paul
2. Not Paul

Couldn't be easier.

Dave L · Sep 11, 2020

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Jews are not Christians. They reject Christ. They will rebuild the brick and mortar temple.

Dispensationalists and Premillennial "Christians" see it in their future. But they do not know how sinful their beliefs are.

Jonathan Cahn makes a reference to Trump rebuilding the temple...

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