how to treat a "Christian" pedophile?

lambofgod43985889 said:

i think in all ways we are victims, taxes for example

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problem with this philosophy this "we are all victims", is that it begs the question: why wright of every crime like rape, murder, and all that?

Obviously this specification of victimizing is completely different because this is involves physical contact that can actually hurt the person in many ways.

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jacks said:

I believe what lambofgod means about the verse being misunderstood, is there are many commentaries that state Jesus is talking about new believers in general (that have become like little children to enter the Kingdom.) And that it was about undermining a new believers faith. Please note, I'm no Biblical expert, but if you research commentaries (HERE for example) you can see where the idea came from, it is one that was taught in my church too. Now maybe that is all wrong and it is about pedophiles, I don't know.

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I know what the commentaries say. Again, I say read it as it it written. Yes, we are to be like little children , with out their innocence and loving natures, we can not see God---but that is exactly why Jesus then goes on to say that is anyone hurts a child, is going to have a lot to pay for doing so. Commentaries have a way of spiritualizing everything, even that which is pretty clear. This was no vision, nothing that needed to be explained later to the disciples, no parable. Those who wish to spiritualize this passage to not mean it's not about hurting children, simply want to see something else. For He then goes on to say---

Mat 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
Mat 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

And then He goes on to further say:

Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

No, this is not to be just spiritualized away. You do not harm Children. They hold a special place in the heart of Gold.

lambofgod43985889 said:

how the christianity should approach the pedophile, how to cure him? (him or her)

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They need to repent and turn themselves in and if not the job of bringing their crimes to the police falls to you. Failure to do so would bring the blame partly upon yourself.
This is an extremely serious crime and sin in God's eyes.

Matthew 18:6
"If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

lambofgod43985889 said:

this thread went to nowhere

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Why, what were you hoping for?

coffee4u said:

Why, what were you hoping for?

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He was hoping to have us feel sorry for pedophiles and absolve them of any guilt. He obviously wasn't interested in what Jesus had to say about those who hurt children. He feels nothing for the victims.

lambofgod43985889 said:

mattew 18:6 is a reference to new believers
how to cure a pedophile nobody gave an answer, only judgements

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That's baloney and you did not read post #123.

lambofgod43985889 said:

mattew 18:6 is a reference to new believers
how to cure a pedophile nobody gave an answer, only judgements

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Your original post asked "How Christianity should approach the paedophile"
That was what I was answering.

As for curing, there is no such thing as a Christan paedophile.
If a person claims to be saved but continues on committing this heinous crime then Jesus is not within them. If they were truly born again they would never commit such acts again.

"how to give spiritual treatment to the people who is attracted to children"
This isn't paedophilia as such, that is just attraction. Horrible but not actual paedophilia. You might want to clarify which you are actually asking about.
They need prayer and need to be praying daily over this and setting up their life in such a way as to keep them away from children or anything that could weaken them.

lambofgod43985889 said:

i read 123 you give your interpretations as unique true

it's okay we dont harm the weaker, that is a human value animals haven't

you didnt say how to give spiritual treatment to the people who is attracted to children

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It is not my interpretation---all you have to do is read what Jesus says without putting in your own interpretation.
Spiritual treatment? That can only be done by professionals!! What spiritual treatment did the thief on the cross get? What spiritual treatment did the demoniacs get---Jesus caste out the demons. This is not a matter of casting our devils and giving spiritual treatments to those who want to have sex with children. These people will harm a 2 month old child!!! That is not going to to be fixed by you say9ng "PLEASE DON'T HARM A CHILD, GOD WOULDN'T LIKE THAT." This requires long term professional care that ypu do not seem to want to hear. You can not relate to this unless you have been a victim. You do not talk like a victim-----not at all. Yu give them no mind. Pedophiles do not care about their victims, they call it love! -Why your intense need of having pedophiles not get actual medical, psychiatric help instead of these "spiritual treatments"? Quite frankly, your position is more than a little offensive. I know what it is like, do you have any idea?

A lot of this type of trauma that leads a person to do these actions is a prior experience from someone else when they were younger. A lot of psychological numbing to specific parts of the brains, by watching online videos, involving child inappropriate contentography, and it can cause very deep sexual perversion to the point of harming of themselves in their flesh, and other children.

This is one of the most darkest sides of humanity that when you throw a torch down into it, it might take forever to hit the bottom.

The bottom of the pit is still there, and what lies there is a man/woman, who need help.

The only thing you can do when meeting someone like this, is ask your self what would Jesus Christ do?

Would Jesus Christ forgive them? (Forgive them they know not what they do; He said on the Cross)

I've met a pedophile before, who lived in a metal health nursing home, you know... the only thing I could do is just sit there listen to some of his stories, let him show me how he played his guitar. Talk about the Lord Jesus.

lambofgod43985889 said:

but that sexual attraction is called pedophilia as far as i know, pederasty is the one who practices the sin

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pederasty involves a man and a boy. Pedophilia is more general, therefore pederasty is with in pedophilia.

mmksparbud said:

Quite frankly, your position is more than a little offensive.

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It's actually reaching the point of disturbing. Honestly, there is something very odd going on here.

lambofgod43985889 said:

this is my personal opinion, try do not offend you: you talk without kindness.

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How would you know? You have no idea what God has had me forgive. You talk without knowledge.
And that is worse. You can kill people with kindness. There are some things where only a hard truth works. Jesús called the Pharisees hypocrites, white washed walls---not kind. But it was truth. There is a difference between love, and mush. They needed to hear the harsh truth. It was no lack of love on the part of Jesus to call them what they were, it was love, what nowadays is called---tough love. You don't mollycoddle, sometimes you have to speak the harsh truth in order to help.
My parents did no favor to my drug addicted brother---years of buying him clothes that he sold for drugs, paying his rent that he used for drugs, buying him cars that he sold for drugs--they kept him in the gutter. He tried that with me and his 2 other brothers---he thought we were cruel for not giving him money and whatever he wanted. All they did was kill him with love. He died at 50, OD on heroin. While he was attempting to take all their money for himself. There are indications he helped the old man to his death, for the money. He would let him scream in pain---and take the pain meds himself. If they had done as we did, he'd still be here. You get no pat on the back from me. You do not state what your experience is with this. I have first hand experience. I have an abortion at 12, my first rape at 5, 3 more abortions, non of this did I want. I had no choice. Don't tell me that I have no kindness. I had to hold my brothers back from killing their father when they found out. I did not want to loose 3 brothers over him.
You have no insight at all and I still wonder why your interest in this is so high? They need psychiatric help. Not foolish pity.

I wouldn't try....

1. Molesting children
2. Justifying those who do

And then die expecting a, "well done thou good and faithful servant, enter into the joy of the Lord!"

rockytopva said:

I wouldn't try....

1. Molesting children
2. Justifying those who do

And then die expecting a, "well done thou good and faithful servant, enter into the joy of the Lord!"

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Luckily we have somewhat of a good governing system that places people who do these crimes in to jail. Some places do not, it is crazy the things people will do in this life is it not? That is why Jesus Christ came to pay for the entire world sins, I believe. (Not to say sin is good, which it is not it can lead to a lot of problems inlife.)