THE SABBATH TRUTH!

Gry9293 · Sep 10, 2020

Studyman said:
Paul said the Scriptures were written for us, not them.

1 Cor. 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Didn't these Examples, that the Christ had written for our admonition, show us how the Christ feels about men who lust after rejecting His Sabbaths, His Commandments, His instructions?

If a man loves God, why would they treat Him with so much disrespect? The men that fell in the wilderness dishonored God's Sabbaths and it seems pretty clear that HE doesn't like it. Why would I study the Scriptures Paul said to study, and then treat the Christ of the Bible the same way those who were rejected treated Him?

where is it written that God writes His Laws on the hearts of men who call Him Lord, Lord, but do not what HE says?

Are you talking to me?

Bob S · Sep 10, 2020

31 Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was very good!

And evening passed and morning came, marking the sixth day.

Genesis 2:
1 So the creation of the heavens and the earth and everything in them was completed. 2 On the seventh day God had finished his work of creation, so he rested from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and declared it holy, because it was the day when he rested from all his work of creation. 4 This is the account of the creation of the heavens and the earth.

As anyone who has the ability to read scripture, God created all things in six days and on the seventh day He had finished His work and He rested. It does not tell us Adam and Eve rested nor does it tell us He created the Sabbath. He absolutely didn't create anything on the seventh day. All He did was to rest. All you that are here on this forum and trying to sell us a bill of goods that He created the Sabbath and Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath are adding to scripture and deceiving those who do not know better. Satan would be very happy with what you write, but I certainly am not!

LGW wrote the following:

The Sabbath was made in creation for all mankind not at Egypt *GENESIS 2:1-3; MARK 2:27. There was no JEW, no ISRAEL and no Egypt when God created the Sabbath for all man kind and commands his people to keep it as a Holy day of rest.

Gen 2 says nothing about Sabbath or that it was made for all mankind and neither does Mark 2:27. Mark 2:27 says it was made for man. I can agree that it was made for Israelite man, but to add "kind" is not the truth. If the Sabbath was made for all mankind then somewhere somehow man would have discovered where someone someplace would have left evidence of keeping the day. There is absolutely no evidence in all of history of any nation observing the Seventh day except Israel. To try to tell us differently is not scriptural or historical and therefore is something made up to get us to believe we must also heed to God's commanding Israel to observe it. It is an extra Biblical way to trap and strap us to a church.

Bob S · Sep 10, 2020

guevaraj said:
Brother, God created the Sabbath on the seventh day. The Sabbath is not a day of the week in Israel, where it falls between two days. Taking the "night" of the six-day and the "day" of the seventh day. Tell me Bob! When did God make "the Sabbath" "holy"?

Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. (Exodus 20:8-11 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Please prove from scripture that God "created" the Sabbath on the day all He did was rest.

Studyman · Sep 10, 2020

Bob S said:
31 Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was very good!

And evening passed and morning came, marking the sixth day.

Genesis 2:
1 So the creation of the heavens and the earth and everything in them was completed. 2 On the seventh day God had finished his work of creation, so he rested from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and declared it holy, because it was the day when he rested from all his work of creation. 4 This is the account of the creation of the heavens and the earth.

As anyone who has the ability to read scripture, God created all things in six days and on the seventh day He had finished His work and He rested. It does not tell us Adam and Eve rested nor does it tell us He created the Sabbath. He absolutely didn't create anything on the seventh day. All He did was to rest. All you that are here on this forum and trying to sell us a bill of goods that He created the Sabbath and Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath are adding to scripture and deceiving those who do not know better. Satan would be very happy with what you write, but I certainly am not!

LGW wrote the following:

Gen 2 says nothing about Sabbath or that it was made for all mankind and neither does Mark 2:27. Mark 2:27 says it was made for man. I can agree that it was made for Israelite man, but to add "kind" is not the truth. If the Sabbath was made for all mankind then somewhere somehow man would have discovered where someone someplace would have left evidence of keeping the day. There is absolutely no evidence in all of history of any nation observing the Seventh day except Israel. To try to tell us differently is not scriptural or historical and therefore is something made up to get us to believe we must also heed to God's commanding Israel to observe it. It is an extra Biblical way to trap and strap us to a church.

Is. 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

In your religious philosophy, did the Christ create heaven and Earth, and Day and Night, and a week that has 7 days?

When this Same Christ, who came to earth in the Flesh, created the 7th Day, did HE not "Sanctify" it. And in your religious philosophy, were Adam and Eve alive when this same Christ created, and Sanctified this 7th day?

So if Jesus, as the Word of God, created the 7th Day and set it apart from the other 6 days, do you believe HE knew "WHY" He did this? And He said the "Sabbath" (7th Day Rest) was "made". And HE said it was "Made for man". Is it your philosophy that Jesus excluded Adam from HIS Creation? And if so, what Scriptural support do you have in support for your teaching that Jesus didn't mean Adam when HE said the Sabbath was made for man?

I'm not arguing for any religious franchise here, not yours or LGW's.

Only reflecting on what the Scriptures teach. If God "Sanctified" (Made Holy) the 7th Day in the presence of Adam and Eve, what evidence do you have that they didn't "keep this creation of the Christ" Holy?

pasifika · Sep 10, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Ok did you want to answer my questions now dear friend?

1. How can God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which God made on the "seventh day" of creation *GENESIS 2:1-3 be a "SHADOW LAW" when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and talked face to face with God when there was NO SIN and no need of God's plan of salvation and when God's Sabbath was a part of the FINISHED work of creation?

The "SHADOW LAWS" were only made after the fall of mankind as part of God's plan of salvation for mankind. There was no Shadow laws when the Sabbath was made and the Sabbath was made before sin when man was in perfect harmony with God.

2. Did you know that under the old covenant annual feasts days there were special ceremonial annual sabbath days that were not God's 4th commandment that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle?

3. If there are many different kinds of annual ceremonial sabbaths connected to the new moons and feast days that can fall on any day of the week as shown above and if the context of Colossians 2:16 is to the shadow sabbaths v17 and the new moons in the annual feast days what sabbaths do you think Colossians 2 is talking about?

BTW there is no mention of the 10 commandments in Colossians 2. The context is to the ceremonial shadow laws from the Mosaic book of the old covenant. Also, there was no ISRAEL or JEWS when JESUS says the Sabbath was made for all mankind *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27

Hello, the 4th commandments wasn’t a commandment to keep Until the Sinai covenant there is No mentioned of any mankind before the exodus were given the 7th day Sabbath as a command to keep..

pasifika · Sep 10, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
The Sabbath was made in creation for all mankind not at Egypt *GENESIS 2:1-3; MARK 2:27. There was no JEW, no ISRAEL and no Egypt when God created the Sabbath for all man kind and commands his people to keep it as a Holy day of rest.

Hello LGW, Mark 2:27 never mentioned the sabbath as the 7th day...is just the “Sabbath”..Have a look again at Hebrews 4 why was the day changed from “7th day” to “today” for Gods people..

pasifika · Sep 10, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Here is a list of old covenant sabbaths beside God's 4th commandment...

1. The sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:6-8
2. The sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:27-32
3. The sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?
4. The sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:34-36
5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:39
6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *LEVITICUS 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week
7. The sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *LEVITICUS 25:2
8. The sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *LEVITICUS 25:9-54
9. Or God's 4th commandment seventh day weekly Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments that define sin when broken? *EXODUS 20:8-11 from GENESIS 2:1-3

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So as you can see from the scriptures above there are many different kinds of sabbaths in the old testament isn't there. The annual ceremonial sabbaths in the feast days are the shadows of things to come. God's 4th commandment Sabbath however as we saw earlier is one of God's 10 commandments that is a "MEMORIAL" of creations past which points backwards and not forwards so cannot be a shadow of anything.

So if the context of Colossians 2:16 is to the shadow sabbaths and the new moons in the annual feast days what sabbaths do you think Colossians 2 is talking about?

Take your time to prayerfully consider this dear friend and reply when your ready. No hurry.

Hello LGW, you forgot to quote the weekly Sabbath (7th day) also a Lord festival Leviticus 23:2-3

pasifika · Sep 10, 2020

Studyman said:
That is what many say, but I don't believe they accurately interpret what the Scriptures are saying. .

I don't know about this translation, I posted several others which I believe more accurately describe what happened when God brought them out of Egypt..

However, if you look at the vast majority of translations, it seems clear that the Levitical Priesthood "Law of Works" for atonement was "ADDED" after they built the Golden calf.

Holman Christian Standard Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (CSB) for when I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak with them or command them concerning burnt offering and sacrifice.

The Darby Translation

Jeremiah 7:22 (DBY) For I spoke not unto your fathers, nor commanded them concerning burnt-offerings and sacrifices, in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt;

Good News Translation

Jeremiah 7:22 (GNT) I gave your ancestors no commands about burnt offerings or any other kinds of sacrifices when I brought them out of Egypt.

Lexham English Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (LEB) For I did not speak with your ancestors, nor did I command them in the day of bringing them out from the land of Egypt, concerning the matter of burnt offering and sacrifice.

The Message Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (MSG) When I delivered your ancestors out of Egypt, I never said anything to them about wanting burnt offerings and sacrifices as such.

New Revised Standard w/ Apocrypha

Jeremiah 7:22 (NRSA) For in the day that I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to them or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Orthodox Jewish Bible

Yirmeyah 7:22 (OJB) For I spoke not unto Avoteichem, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of Eretz Mitzrayim, concerning olah or zevach;

Third Millennium Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (TMB) For I spoke not unto your fathers nor commanded them, in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices.

Wycliffe

Jeremiah 7:22 (WYC) For I spake not with your fathers, and I commanded not to them of the word of burnt sacrifices, and of slain sacrifices, in the day in which I led them out of the land of Egypt. (For I spoke not to your forefathers, and I commanded not to them about burnt sacrifices, and slain sacrifices, on the day when I led them out of the land of Egypt.)

The Bible in Basic English

Jeremiah 7:22 (BBE) For I said nothing to your fathers, and gave them no orders, on the day when I took them out of Egypt, about burned offerings or offerings of beasts:

The Complete Jewish Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (CJB) For I didn't speak to your ancestors or give them orders concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices when I brought them out of the land of Egypt.

Hebrew Names Version

Jeremiah 7:22 (HNV) For I didn't speak to your fathers, nor command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Mitzrayim, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

King James Version w/ Apocrypha

Jeremiah 7:22 (KJVA) For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Septuagint Bible w/ Apocrypha

Jeremias 7:22 (LXX) For I spoke not to your fathers, and commanded them not in the day wherein I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, concerning whole-burnt-offerings and sacrifice:

New International Reader's Version

Jeremiah 7:22 (NIRV) When I brought your people out of Egypt, I spoke to them. But I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices.

New Revised Standard

Jeremiah 7:22 (NRS) For in the day that I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to them or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.

American Standard Version

Jeremiah 7:22 (ASV) For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt-offerings or sacrifices:

Common English Bible w/ Apocrypha

Jeremiah 7:22 (CEBA) On the day I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I didn't say a thing—I gave no instructions—about entirely burned offerings or sacrifices.

English Standard Version

Jeremiah 7:22 (ESV) For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.

GOD'S WORD Translation

Jeremiah 7:22 (GW) When I brought your ancestors out of Egypt, I did not tell them anything about burnt offerings and sacrifices.

King James Version

Jeremiah 7:22 (KJV) For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

New Century Version

Jeremiah 7:22 (NCV) When I brought your ancestors out of Egypt, I did not speak to them and give them commands only about burnt offerings and sacrifices.

New Living Translation

Jeremiah 7:22 (NLT) When I led your ancestors out of Egypt, it was not burnt offerings and sacrifices I wanted from them.

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (RHE) For I spoke not to your fathers, and I commanded them not, in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning the matter of burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Revised Standard Version w/ Apocrypha

Jeremiah 7:22 (RSVA) For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.

World English Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (WEB) For I didn't speak to your fathers, nor command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Common English Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (CEB) On the day I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I didn't say a thing—I gave no instructions—about entirely burned offerings or sacrifices.

It seems the Levitical Priesthood given to Levi, Separated from all the peoples of the world, was a Covenant God made for atonement after they built the Golden Calf. 2 Laws.

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Heb. 4 said they didn't mix the hearing of the good news with belief/faith.

Doesn't the Scriptures say they fell because of ""unbelief"?

The Levitical Priesthood "added" to God's Laws by Moses, given specifically to Levi is the Law of Works and it was not based on Faith.

The Commandments, Laws and Statutes of God are the Law of Faith given to all God's people, including Abraham. Do you believe in the God of the Bible, or "another voice"?

Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

This was before the Golden calf, and before the Laws of Atonement were given to Levi on Israels behalf. They didn't believe in this God and they created another. It's even in your Bible.

Do you believe in this God who became Flesh and Blood? Or have you found another?

Hello studyman, i used the NIV when I quote Jeremiah 7:22.
So can you show me in scriptures that there was a different covenant made by God with the Levite as a separate covenant to the Sinai covenant through Moses?

LoveGodsWord · Sep 10, 2020

Bob S said:
First of all you are confused as to how many days God did His creation, it was six days. The following day He rested.

There is no confusion dear Bob, There are seven days in a week. God rested from all his work in the seventh day of the creation week where he blessed the seventh day of the creation week as posted earlier and made it a Holy day of rest for all mankind *MARK 2:27; GENESIS 2:1-3

Bob S said:
Secondly, it isn't established anywhere in scripture that the day God rested was a perpetual rest day. God was finished working and rested one day. That is the extent of what is revealed to man.

Well that is not true Bob, the HEBREW word for Sabbath is which has it's origin in the root word for rest[ed] H7673; שׁבת; shâbath in GENESIS 2:1-3 is H7676 shabbâth; שׁבּת; and means from one sabbath to another. The scripture in EXODUS 20:10 defines the Sabbath as the "seventh day" in both GENESIS 2:1-3 and EXODUS 20:10.

God made both the seventh day Sabbath at the end of the creation week where he "blessed the "seventh day" and made it a holy day of rest for all mankind Bob *GENESIS 2:1-3; MARK 2:27. The scriptures teach that whatsoever God does it will be forever. It was God who both made the Sabbath in creation and wrote and spoke the 10 commandments which includes God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken in the new covenant *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4.

The sabbath is the work of God alone. The scriptures teach that whatsoever God does is FOREVER!

ECCLESIASTES 3:14 [14], I KNOW THAT WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.

Did God make the Sabbath? - Yeps *GENESIS 2:1-3
Did God make and speak the 10 commandments? -Yeps *EXODUS 32:16; EXODUS 20:1-17

Then according to the scriptures if the Sabbath and the 10 commandments are the work of God and spoken by God then they are FOREVER

Go look it up Bob, the Hebrew word forever H5769 is עולם עלם; ‛ôlâm ‛ôlâm and means eternal
and everlasting. Need more scripture?

EXODUS 31:16-17 [16], Why the children of Israel SHALL KEEP THE SABBATH, TO OBSERVE THE SABBATH THROUGHOUT THEIR GENERATIONS FOR A PERPETUAL COVENANT. [17], IT IS A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL FOREVER: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

ISAIAH 66:[22], FOR AS THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH, WHICH I WILL MAKE, SHALL REMAIN BEFORE ME, SAID THE LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.[23], And IT SHALL COME TO PASS, THAT FROM ONE NEW MOON TO ANOTHER, AND FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, SHALL ALL FLESH COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE ME, SAID THE LORD.

Yeps seems the God's Word (not mine) says that God's 4th commandment is pretty much forever to me Bob....

"GOD'S ISRAEL" according to Gods Word (not mine), in the new covenant scriptures (linked) are all those who believe and follow God's Word. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then according to the scriptures we have no part in God's new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27.

Bob S said:
You keep referring to "shadow laws" like that is a term in scripture. What it is is something you made up to throw Col 2:16-17 to mean something it doesn't.

The term "shadow laws" is a term taken from scripture Bob, perhaps you missed these scriptures...

Here you go, here is the biblical your missing here...

HEBREWS 10:1-19
[1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, and not the very image of the things, can never WITH THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year [Day of Atonement] *Leviticus 23:27-32.
[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.
[5], Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU DESIRED NOT, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
[6], In BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN you have had no pleasure.

Ok drum role please... wait for it... wait for it...

[7], Then said I, Lo, I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.

NOTE: What are the Shadow laws of the OLD COVENANT? IT is those from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT v7 is a reference to...

EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

2 KINGS 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 KINGS 23:3 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

2 KINGS 23:21 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

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Continuing..

[8], Above when he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DESIRED NOT, neither had pleasure in them; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;

NOTE: We are talking about the BOOK of the LAW *DEUTERONOMY 31:26 not God's 10 COMMANDMENTS in this chapter as again outlined in HEBREWS 10:7-8 above

[9], Then said he, LO I COME TO DO YOUR WILL O GOD. HE TAKES AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MIGHT ESTABLISH THE SECOND

NOTE: NEW COVENANT NO MORE ANIMAL SACRIFICES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE LAW

[10], By the which will we are sanctified through THE OFFERING OF THE BODY OF JESUS ONCE AND FOR ALL.
[11], And every priest stands daily ministering and offering frequently the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
[12], BUT THIS MAN, AFTER HE HAD OFFERED ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS FOREVER, sat down on the right hand of God;
[13], From then on waiting till his enemies be made his footstool.
[14], For by one offering he has perfected forever them that are sanctified.
[15], The Holy Spirit also is a witness to us: for after this he had said before,
[16], THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM;

[17], And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
[18], Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
[19], Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

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CONCLUSION: The NEW COVENANT is NO MORE SHADOW LAWS and animal sacrifices from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT (Exodus 24:7) God's LAW is to be written in a NEW HEART TO LOVE in the new covenant * HEBREWS 10:16; ROMANS 13:8-10.

Yeps seems pretty biblical to me Bob, don't you think? (please also see HEBREWS 7; HEBREWS 8 and HEBREWS 9).

Bob S said:
Yes, they were all ritual commands along with the fourth commandment. They have all passed away. Matt 5:17 “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. It was all achieved at Calvary.

Not really Bob, God's 4th commandment is not a ritual command it is a "memorial" of creation *EXODUS 20:8 and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth and a Holy day of rest *EXODUS 20:8-11. Heaven and earth have not passed away Bob, therefore neither has God's law according as the purpose of God's law in the new covenant is to give us the knowledge of Good and Evil; Sin and Righteousness *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and according to the scriptures if we knowingly break anyone of them when we have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods Word and reject it, we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11; HEBREWS 10:26-31. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 7:7 and if we knowingly break it according to the scriptures we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

Bob S said:
Thing is in Col 2 Paul mentioned the Sabbaths that fell on any day. He called them feast days and then in a separate word he mentioned the weekly Sabbath.

Not really Bob, Paul connect these contexts together in COLOSSIANS 2:11-17; circumcision, baptism, ceremonial laws, shadows of things to come. Specifically in v16, not to judge others in meat and drink and the new moons, the annual feasts and the sabbaths. Context is king dear friend. There is not one mention of context to anyone of God's 10 commandments in all of COLOSSIANS 2. Context of COLOSSIANS 2 and COLOSSIANS 2:16 is to the sabbaths and new moons in the annual feast days being a shadow of things to come not God's 4th commandment. God's 4th commandment is not an annual sabbath it is a weekly Sabbath and one of God's 10 commandments written with the finger of God and spoken by God that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20.

Bob S said:
That is not an accurate statement LGW, Paul mentioned the weekly Sabbath found in the ten. Col 2:16

Well that is not true Bob. Where does it say in COLOSSIANS 2:16 that Paul is talking about the weekly Sabbath? The context is to the annual Sabbaths in the feast days which were a shadow of things to come not God's 4th commandment weekly Sabbath of the 10 commandments that God blessed and made a holy day for all mankind.

Bob S said:
I aim to please.

Your welcome.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 10, 2020

Bob S said:
As anyone who has the ability to read scripture, God created all things in six days and on the seventh day He had finished His work and He rested. It does not tell us Adam and Eve rested nor does it tell us He created the Sabbath. He absolutely didn't create anything on the seventh day. All He did was to rest. All you that are here on this forum and trying to sell us a bill of goods that He created the Sabbath and Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath are adding to scripture and deceiving those who do not know better. Satan would be very happy with what you write, but I certainly am not! Gen 2 says nothing about Sabbath or that it was made for all mankind and neither does Mark 2:27. Mark 2:27 says it was made for man. I can agree that it was made for Israelite man, but to add "kind" is not the truth. If the Sabbath was made for all mankind then somewhere somehow man would have discovered where someone someplace would have left evidence of keeping the day. There is absolutely no evidence in all of history of any nation observing the Seventh day except Israel. To try to tell us differently is not scriptural or historical and therefore is something made up to get us to believe we must also heed to God's commanding Israel to observe it. It is an extra Biblical way to trap and strap us to a church.

JESUS makes it clear Bob in MARK 2:27 when he says that "the Sabbath was made for mankind" According to the scriptures JESUS is the creator and Lord of the Sabbath and he says that he made the Sabbath for mankind. There was no JEW, GENTILES, ISRAEL or MOSES when God made the Sabbath on the "seventh day" of the creation week, and blessed the "seventh day" as a Holy day of rest *GENESIS 2:1-3 for all mankind *MARK 2:27 and commanded us to keep it as a Holy day *EXODUS 20:8-11.

Adam and Eve according to the scriptures Bob, were created on the 6th day of creation *GENESIS 1:26-31 and the Sabbath that was made for mankind (Adam and Eve) was created on the "seventh day" of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3. These are Gods Word dear friend not mine.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the new covenant scriptures in *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7 and if we knowingly break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them *ROMANS 3:4.

God's 4th commandment Sabbath was kept by JESUS and the Apostles and the disciples even after the death and resurrection of JESUS *ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4 unbroken to this very present day verified through both scripture and history. Funny in the days of JESUS the religious teachers in his time also called his message of the devil as well yet he was the son of God and creator of all things that they did not believe who one day we all must give account.

Thanks for the blessing.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 10, 2020

pasifika said:
Hello, the 4th commandments wasn’t a commandment to keep Until the Sinai covenant there is No mentioned of any mankind before the exodus were given the 7th day Sabbath as a command to keep..

Hello pasifika, JESUS says that the Sabbath was made for mankind *MARK 2:27. The Sabbath was made on the "seventh day" of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3. There was only Adam and Eve who are the parents of all mankind when God made the Sabbath for mankind according to the scriptures. Before the written Word of God there was the spoken Word of God and God's people all through time had and obeyed God's laws through faith. GENESIS 26:5 says that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

I noticed your still avoiding my questions and did not answer anything in the post you were quoting from. Is there a reason for this? If you do not wish to answer these questions or talk about them just let me know as I do not wish to continue asking them if your not interested in this part of our discussion. I only asked those questions because they prove that it is impossible for God's 4th commandment to be a shadow law as you were claiming earlier. If you cannot answer them then perhaps you can consider what you posted earlier may also not be true.

Anyhow, may God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 10, 2020

pasifika said:
Hello LGW, Mark 2:27 never mentioned the sabbath as the 7th day...is just the “Sabbath”..Have a look again at Hebrews 4 why was the day changed from “7th day” to “today” for Gods people..

It is God's Word that defines the Sabbath as the seventh day here...

EXODUS 20:10 [10] But THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD your God.

In Hebrews 4 the context in HEBREWS 4:1-5 is God's rest being the "seventh day" of creation leading to the Sabbath still being a requirement for the people of God in v9.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Hope this is helpful

LoveGodsWord · Sep 10, 2020

pasifika said:
Hello LGW, you forgot to quote the weekly Sabbath (7th day) also a Lord festival Leviticus 23:2-3

No need, as Leviticus 23 is in regards to the annual sabbaths in the feast days that are fulfilled in the new. This is stating that there is no more annual ceremonial sabbaths in the feast days (including Gods 4th commandment in the feast days not outside of the feast days). It is not stating that there is no more weekly "seventh day" Sabbath of God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7 under the new covenant. It is stating that the ceremonial feast days and sabbaths (not weekly) are shadows of things to come.

guevaraj · Sep 10, 2020

Bob S said:
Please prove from scripture that God "created" the Sabbath on the day all He did was rest.

Brother, it is not "milk" but "solid food"! It is more complicated than a single passage. Not all truths are as easy to get as “milk” expressed below.

Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans? For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings? (1 Corinthians 3:1-4 NIV)

The evidence is "solid food", linking at least two passages and not simple "milk" found in a single passage. The evidence that God created the Sabbath is in how Israel remembers the Sabbath, 10 hours before its local Seventh day. Let's compare two passages of Scripture to understand the first day in Genesis. The following is a full Sabbath in Israel, but the passage I quote later begins the same but ends differently.

It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath. (Leviticus 23:32 NKJV)

Remembered is the earlier Sabbath 10 hours before the first day established in Genesis below. When comparing both passages above and below, they start the same but end differently. Above, evening to evening is a full Sabbath in Israel, but below we only have half a Sabbath, the first half from evening to morning that you, Bob, experienced weekly for 40 years as a Seventh-day Adventist as the “night” part of the Sabbath. Can you see that the first day is “revealed” to end with the half day period that God called “night”? Having started with the half-day period that God called “day” with God saying "Let there be light", which here after the first day in Genesis is part of the second day from morning until evening.

God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. (Genesis 1:5 NKJV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

pasifika · Sep 11, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello pasifika, JESUS says that the Sabbath was made for mankind *MARK 2:27. The Sabbath was made on the "seventh day" of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3. There was only Adam and Eve who are the parents of all mankind when God made the Sabbath for mankind according to the scriptures. Before the written Word of God there was the spoken Word of God and God's people all through time had and obeyed God's laws through faith. GENESIS 26:5 says that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

I noticed your still avoiding my questions and did not answer anything in the post you were quoting from. Is there a reason for this? If you do not wish to answer these questions or talk about them just let me know as I do not wish to continue asking them if your not interested in this part of our discussion. I only asked those questions because they prove that it is impossible for God's 4th commandment to be a shadow law as you were claiming earlier. If you cannot answer them then perhaps you can consider what you posted earlier may also not be true.

Anyhow, may God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

Hello LGW, I already answer your question. There wasn’t any law or command to keep Sabbath (7th day) until Sinai...
So it was given to Israel ( in Sinai) after Sin...and is a shadows law in which Christ fulfilled it...

pasifika · Sep 11, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
It is God's Word that defines the Sabbath as the seventh day here...

EXODUS 20:10 [10] But THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD your God.

In Hebrews 4 the context in HEBREWS 4:1-5 is God's rest being the "seventh day" of creation leading to the Sabbath still being a requirement for the people of God in v9.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Hope this is helpful

Yes 7th day is Sabbath of the Lord our God that is the Sabbath of the Lord Jesus Christ Not you or me...
Our Sabbath is “today” Not 7th day...Hebrews 4..

Hebrew 4:7..God again set a certain Day,calling it “Today”...

so Gods Sabbath day is the 7th day, Our Sabbath day is called “Today”...is there any day called today?

pasifika · Sep 11, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
No need, as Leviticus 23 is in regards to the annual sabbaths in the feast days that are fulfilled in the new. This is stating that there is no more annual ceremonial sabbaths in the feast days (including Gods 4th commandment in the feast days not outside of the feast days). It is not stating that there is no more weekly "seventh day" Sabbath of God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7 under the new covenant. It is stating that the ceremonial feast days and sabbaths (not weekly) are shadows of things to come.

Hello LGW, it is not fair to leave out the weekly festival of the Lord in which the 7th day sabbath is about..Leviticus 23.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 11, 2020

pasifika said:
Hello LGW, I already answer your question. There wasn’t any law or command to keep Sabbath (7th day) until Sinai...
So it was given to Israel ( in Sinai) after Sin...and is a shadows law in which Christ fulfilled it...

Hi pasifika, no you didn't here are the questions here...

Ok did you want to answer my questions now dear friend?

1. How can God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which God made on the "seventh day" of creation *GENESIS 2:1-3 be a "SHADOW LAW" when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and talked face to face with God when there was NO SIN and no need of God's plan of salvation and when God's Sabbath was a part of the FINISHED work of creation?

The "SHADOW LAWS" were only made after the fall of mankind as part of God's plan of salvation for mankind. There was no Shadow laws when the Sabbath was made and the Sabbath was made before sin when man was in perfect harmony with God.

2. Did you know that under the old covenant annual feasts days there were special ceremonial annual sabbath days that were not God's 4th commandment that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle?

3. If there are many different kinds of annual ceremonial sabbaths connected to the new moons and feast days that can fall on any day of the week as shown above and if the context of Colossians 2:16 is to the shadow sabbaths v17 and the new moons in the annual feast days what sabbaths do you think Colossians 2 is talking about?

Look forward to your response here...

LoveGodsWord · Sep 11, 2020

pasifika said:
There wasn’t any law or command to keep Sabbath (7th day) until Sinai...So it was given to Israel ( in Sinai) after Sin...and is a shadows law in which Christ fulfilled it...

Actually as posted earlier that is not true. JESUS says that the Sabbath was made for mankind in MARK 2:27. God Word says that God made mankind on the sixth day of creation in GENESIS 1:26-31. God's Word, not mine says that God made the Sabbath for mankind on the "seventh day" of the creation week where God "blessed" the "seventh day" and made the "seventh day" a "Holy day of rest" in GENESIS 2:1-3. God did not make the Sabbath for mankind for mankind not to keep it as a Holy day of rest. There was no ISRAEL, no JEW and no Moses when the Sabbath was man for mankind according to the scriptures, only Adam and Eve who walked and talked with God before they sinned and before God's plan of salvation was given to mankind because there was no sin when the Sabbath was made for man.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 11, 2020

pasifika said:
Yes 7th day is Sabbath of the Lord our God that is the Sabbath of the Lord Jesus Christ Not you or me...
Our Sabbath is “today” Not 7th day...Hebrews 4..

Hebrew 4:7..God again set a certain Day,calling it “Today”...

so Gods Sabbath day is the 7th day, Our Sabbath day is called “Today”...is there any day called today?

Nope...

In Hebrews 4 the context in HEBREWS 4:1-5 is God's rest being the "seventh day" of creation leading to the Sabbath still being a requirement for the people of God in v9.

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into MY REST: ALTHOUGH THE WORKS WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
[4], FOR HE SPOKE IN A CERTAIN PLACE (GENSIS 2:1-3) OF THE SEVENTH DAY ON THIS WISE, AND GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into MY REST.

NOTE: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD enter into that rest which God's WORD defines as the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH which is GOD'S REST! Let's continue...

6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

[10], For he that is entered into HIS REST (v9 God's SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], LET US LABOR THEREFORE TO ENTER INTO THAT REST (God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST), lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (HEBREWS 3).

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CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 4 is talking about the Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD; v29 Learn of me; v30 my burden (doing) is light. This agrees with Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. HEBREWS 4:1-11 is in reference to GOD'S REST which God's WORD defines is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH which is the CONTEXT shown in HEBREWS 4:1-5. HEBREWS 4 therefore with context added is saying that no one enter God's Sabbath rest if they do not BELIEVE AND FOLLOW God's WORD.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

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There is only one biblical definition of God's 4th commandment Sabbath and that is the "the seventh day" of the week *EXODUS 20:10; GENESIS 2:1-3 and JESUS is the Lord of the Sabbath that he says he made for all mankind *MARK 2:27-28

Time to pray and look a little deeper dear friend.

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