Can the Dietary Law Get You Cut Off From God

Original Happy Camper · Sep 10, 2020

pescador said:
No, you didn't. It saddens me that you have no understanding of the New Covenant.

"For freedom Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be subject again to the yoke of slavery." Galatians 5:1

"Now this matter arose because of the false brothers with false pretenses who slipped in unnoticed to spy on our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, to make us slaves." Galatians 2:4

"For you were called to freedom, brothers and sisters; only do not use your freedom as an opportunity to indulge your flesh, but through love serve one another." Galatians 5:13

It is clear, not only to the Galatians, but also to the Corinthians, the Romans and every other Christian who understand the truth that "the law kills but the Spirit gives life!" 2 Corinthians 3:6

Everything that you have written concerns life before Jesus rose and sent the Holy Spirit to believers.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Malachi 3:6
For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Strong in Him · Sep 10, 2020

Original Happy Camper said:
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Malachi 3:6
For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

His nature does not change - the ways in which he works, do.
Once he " lived" in a tabernacle, then it was a temple, now it's in the hearts of those who love him.
Once, animal sacrifices were offered, then he sent his Son to offer himself as a sacrifice, Mark 10:45.

BobRyan · Sep 10, 2020

pescador said:
No, you didn't. It saddens me that you have no understanding of the New Covenant.

Start by quoting it.

SaintCody777 · Sep 10, 2020

Original Happy Camper said:
Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Four sets of laws were spoken to Moses by GOD on the mountain.

Royal Law/Ten commandments can only be kept cannot be fulfilled

Civil Law can only be kept cannot be fulfilled

Dietary law can only be kept cannot be fulfilled

Sanctuary Law The only one that could be fulfilled and was by Jesus Christ.

Deuteronomy 5:10
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The Mosaic Law as a whole, was satisfied by Christ's death. Galatians 3, specifically verses 23-28, teach that the purpose of the Old Covenant laws, including Sabbaths, feasts, and diets was to be our tutor until God's perfect law could be fufilled on the cross.The Galatians were trying to keep their own right standing through their own fleshly ways as was done in the OT. The Galatians convinced the newcomer Christians that they must follow all these Old Covenant laws, feasts, dietary laws, etc.
The only specific law that is established in Romans 3:31 is the Moral law. The very same set of laws the Israelities and priests tried to satisfy under the means of their own ceremonial sacrifices and abiding in God's Old Covenant laws specifically only for the Israelites.

SaintCody777 · Sep 10, 2020

Bro.T said:
I notice you didn't post all the verses, allow me to. Let's go into Mark 7: 17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; 19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. Since you didn't post the full conversation Jesus was saying, I feel like you trying to deceive me. This conversation have nothing to do with food at all! Jesus is talking about condition of sin.

So by what means of uncleanliness is someone made unclean by eating or consuming certain products? Not being right with God's laws?
How else can the apostles be considered unclean by eating with unwashed hands?

BobRyan · Sep 10, 2020

SaintCody777 said:
The Mosaic Law as a whole, was satisfied by Christ's death.

So then ... for example... "do not take God's name in vain" Exodus 20:7 ??

And.. "honor your father and Mother" Exodus 20:12, Ephesians 6:1-2 ??

Original Happy Camper · Sep 10, 2020

SaintCody777 said:
The only specific law that is established in Romans 3:31 is the Moral law.

That would include
Exodus 20:8
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Correct?

Original Happy Camper · Sep 10, 2020

SaintCody777 said:
The Mosaic Law as a whole, was satisfied by Christ's death

Please Explain how the civil law and the dietary law were satisfied by Jesus Christ

WE know he fulfilled the ceremonial (sanctuary law) with the shedding of his blood on the cross as the ultimate sacrifice.

ViaCrucis · Sep 11, 2020

Strong in Him said:
His nature does not change - the ways in which he works, do.
Once he " lived" in a tabernacle, then it was a temple, now it's in the hearts of those who love him.
Once, animal sacrifices were offered, then he sent his Son to offer himself as a sacrifice, Mark 10:45.

Oh, well then it's all very simple. When it says Jesus is the same, it means that He is the same in the way which is relevant to what I want to say right now, but He is not the same in ways which do not agree with me. So, for example, I want to burden you with a handful of commandments from the Torah, such as that you have to go to church on Saturday, and you have to eat the way I tell you to, and all these other hurdles I want to put in your way so I can feel more righteous and holy than you--and so Jesus is the same, therefore I get to make up whatever rules I want. But, it also means that since I get to make up whatever rules I want, then Jesus isn't the same when it comes to things like wearing mixed fabrics, or affixing a mezuzah to my doorpost. You see, I've very cleverly and sneakily made up my own categories of different commandments which God made with Israel, so that the commandments which I don't want to follow, I call them "ceremonial laws" but everything else? Those are the really important still-to-be-followed laws. And you can know that's true because I told you so, and since I'm making up the rules here, I get to decide which of God's commandments still are to be obeyed and which no longer matter.

So it's all very simple you see. I get to rip my Bible apart, make up my own rules, cherry-pick what is most likely to be the easiest for me to do in order to feel more holy than other lesser Christians, and then judge everyone else based on my own made-up rules.

And if anyone ever starts to actually try to have me to actually try reading the Bible, I'm going to pretend like I didn't understand it, or engage in some kind of fallacious argument--probably some kind of whataboutism, or just go straight in with the ad hominem attack by insinuating that anyone who doesn't agree with me, and my own made up rules, is actually attacking the Bible, which while I don't want to actually read, I do want to use as a cudgel to beat people over the head with it to make me feel better about myself.

Because religion is a cudgel that is meant to be used to hurt people I think are less than me. Exactly like the Pharisees in the Gospels believed, and as we all know, they're the real heroes of the story.

-CryptoLutheran

Strong in Him · Sep 11, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
Oh, well then it's all very simple. When it says Jesus is the same, it means that He is the same in the way which is relevant to what I want to say right now, but He is not the same in ways which do not agree with me. So, for example, I want to burden you with a handful of commandments from the Torah, such as that you have to go to church on Saturday, and you have to eat the way I tell you to, and all these other hurdles I want to put in your way so I can feel more righteous and holy than you--and so Jesus is the same, therefore I get to make up whatever rules I want. But, it also means that since I get to make up whatever rules I want, then Jesus isn't the same when it comes to things like wearing mixed fabrics, or affixing a mezuzah to my doorpost. You see, I've very cleverly and sneakily made up my own categories of different commandments which God made with Israel, so that the commandments which I don't want to follow, I call them "ceremonial laws" but everything else? Those are the really important still-to-be-followed laws. And you can know that's true because I told you so, and since I'm making up the rules here, I get to decide which of God's commandments still are to be obeyed and which no longer matter.

So it's all very simple you see. I get to rip my Bible apart, make up my own rules, cherry-pick what is most likely to be the easiest for me to do in order to feel more holy than other lesser Christians, and then judge everyone else based on my own made-up rules.

And if anyone ever starts to actually try to have me to actually try reading the Bible, I'm going to pretend like I didn't understand it, or engage in some kind of fallacious argument--probably some kind of whataboutism, or just go straight in with the ad hominem attack by insinuating that anyone who doesn't agree with me, and my own made up rules, is actually attacking the Bible, which while I don't want to actually read, I do want to use as a cudgel to beat people over the head with it to make me feel better about myself.

Because religion is a cudgel that is meant to be used to hurt people I think are less than me. Exactly like the Pharisees in the Gospels believed, and as we all know, they're the real heroes of the story.

-CryptoLutheran

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about.

God does not, and will not, change.
He is love and light. He is faithful, just, merciful, compassionate, kind etc, and always will be. He is Creator, Lord, Redeemer, King, Shepherd and more besides. This will never change.

But he DOES work in different and new ways. Apart from the things that I mentioned, he told Isaiah that he would do a new thing, told Jeremiah he would make a new covenant, and one day there will be a new heaven and earth.
All these are clearly written in Scripture.

So your response to me about "ripping up Scripture" is quite frankly baffling.

ViaCrucis · Sep 11, 2020

Strong in Him said:
I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about.

God does not, and will not, change.
He is love and light. He is faithful, just, merciful, compassionate, kind etc, and always will be. He is Creator, Lord, Redeemer, King, Shepherd and more besides. This will never change.

But he DOES work in different and new ways. Apart from the things that I mentioned, he told Isaiah that he would do a new thing, told Jeremiah he would make a new covenant, and one day there will be a new heaven and earth.
All these are clearly written in Scripture.

So your response to me about "ripping up Scripture" is quite frankly baffling.

Sarcasm. I was being very, very sarcastic.

-CryptoLutheran

Strong in Him · Sep 11, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
Sarcasm. I was being very, very sarcastic.

-CryptoLutheran

Ok, sorry.
I was replying to you before 8.00 a.m - way too early.

Bro.T--2 · Sep 12, 2020

SaintCody777 said:
So by what means of uncleanliness is someone made unclean by eating or consuming certain products? Not being right with God's laws?
How else can the apostles be considered unclean by eating with unwashed hands?

When dealing with the Lord we talking about righteousness and unrighteousness according to the Bible. Paul say in romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. The flesh is hard to deal with, so we trust in the Lord and obey his word, because his words are spirit and life.

SaintCody777 said:
So by what means of uncleanliness is someone made unclean by eating or consuming certain products?

Read the ingredients look up the words and try to avoid those products that unclean. In most cases you may find better.

SaintCody777 said:
How else can the apostles be considered unclean by eating with unwashed hands?

Then came to Jesus the Scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, “Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.” (Matthew 15:1-2)

Note what verse the states, "they wash not their hands when they eat bread." We see the subject is, eating without washing hands correct? Note something else in the above verse. The Pharisees asked Jesus, “Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders?” Note the Lord's response;

But he answered and said unto them, “Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; and honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.” (Matthew 15: 3-6)

The Pharisees followed their own tradition as a substitute to the commandments of God. Eating with unwashed hands is no commandment of God. Note what Jesus says next.

Ye hypocrites, well did Esaiah prophesy of you, saying, “This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” (Matthew 15:7-9)

Bro.T--2 · Sep 12, 2020

Scott Husted said:
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Even though this (Matthew 26:26) is literal ... drinking wine and eating bread does not cause you to have eternal life ...

Paul began to see the law in a spiritual way, which is to say an inward thing, in an ever increasing way.

Absolutely, Paul says in Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Bro.T--2 · Sep 12, 2020

Strong in Him said:
He wouldn't, and don't shout.
Shouting doesn't make your argument correct or more valid.

I've pointed out before that those verses are OT; part of the covenant that God made with his people but which they continuously broke.

ARE you saying that a person can believe in Jesus and receive eternal life (which is God's Will), be born again, receive the Holy Spirit, become a child of God and know his love, from which nothing can separate us - and then be condemned forever for eating a bacon sandwich?

Scripture says not.

We must understand brothers and sisters there is no degree of sin. If we break one of the laws, we break them all, and the sentence for transgressing the Lord's laws is death. What we must do is keep ourselves from willful sin.

Let us take a look at Noah for a moment. This is before God's people as you say. Pay Attention...Take a look at this verse in Genesis the 9th chapter and the 3rd verse.

Some one might say, "see we can eat anything that our heart's desire." Let us reason together brothers and sisters. Who wrote the book of Genesis? Moses, when he was moved by the Holy Spirit, correct? Who wrote Leviticus the 11th chapter? Moses! So, everything that was created to be received shall be eaten. Let us back up to the 7th chapter of Genesis. When I first laid eyes on these two verses, I was amazed how even the simplest thing in the word of God is hidden to those that do not read His book. Take a look at this.

And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. (Genesis 7:1-2)

Here we see the dietary law being instituted. Here we see the difference in clean and unclean being shown seven chapters from the beginning of the book. So, this lets us know that the dietary law was brought into being along side the Royal law (commandments) even before Abraham came on the scene. Now that we have seen when the dietary law was instituted and also looked at the dietary law itself. Let us return to the new book take note to what the Lord say to the scribes and Pharisees.

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. (John 5:45)

Well, modern day church people think Moses' laws are nailed to the cross. So, they don't trust in Moses, they trust in rev. X Y or Z. But, notice this;

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:46-47)

So, if you call yourself a New Testament Christian, and don't read and believe Moses' writings, how can you believe in Jesus? In conclusion sisters and brothers, this is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten. Leviticus 11:46-47 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (Leviticus 11:44)

Strong in Him · Sep 12, 2020

Bro.T said:
We must understand brothers and sisters there is no degree of sin. If we break one of the laws, we break them all, and the sentence for transgressing the Lord's laws is death.

Which is why I asked you if you kept all the laws, and more, that I quoted from Leviticus. If you feel that you are obliged to keep the law, you must keep ALL of it - not trimming your beard, not touching women at certain times of the month, (good luck with that one), stoning to death anyone who does not keep the Sabbath.

Bro.T said:
Let us take a look at Noah for a moment. This is before God's people as you say. Pay Attention...Take a look at this verse in Genesis the 9th chapter and the 3rd verse.

Some one might say, "see we can eat anything that our heart's desire." Let us reason together brothers and sisters. Who wrote the book of Genesis? Moses, when he was moved by the Holy Spirit, correct? Who wrote Leviticus the 11th chapter? Moses! So, everything that was created to be received shall be eaten. Let us back up to the 7th chapter of Genesis. When I first laid eyes on these two verses, I was amazed how even the simplest thing in the word of God is hidden to those that do not read His book. Take a look at this.

I don't understand what you're saying - but this is all Old Testament.
Jesus said "nothing that goes into the mouth can make someone unclean". The Gospel writer, inspired by the Holy Spirit, said "in saying this he declared all foods to be clean".
The early church certainly taught that - the Council of Jerusalem did not tell the Gentiles which meat was unclean, they only said 'do not eat meat with blood in it'. Paul said that food does not bring us nearer to God and the Kingdom of heaven is not about eating and drinking.

Bro.T said:
Here we see the dietary law being instituted. Here we see the difference in clean and unclean being shown seven chapters from the beginning of the book. So, this lets us know that the dietary law was brought into being along side the Royal law (commandments) even before Abraham came on the scene.

Yet WE are not told here which animals were 'unclean'. Clearly some were, yet they were still to be taken into the ark to be preserved.
As you said, when Noah came out of the ark ALL things were given to him for food. God did not say, "those unclean animals you took in; don't eat them."

Bro.T said:
Now that we have seen when the dietary law was instituted

No, you have said "these verses show that the dietary law was instituted here" - not at all the same thing.

Bro.T said:
and also looked at the dietary law itself.

We haven't.

Bro.T said:
Let us return to the new book take note to what the Lord say to the scribes and Pharisees.

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. (John 5:45)

Yes - they trusted in Moses and the law he gave.
I trust in the Messiah, the One who fulfilled the law.

Bro.T said:
Well, modern day church people think Moses' laws are nailed to the cross. So, they don't trust in Moses, they trust in rev. X Y or Z.

No, I'm pretty sure they trust in Jesus.

Bro.T said:
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:46-47)

So, if you call yourself a New Testament Christian, and don't read and believe Moses' writings, how can you believe in Jesus?

Quite simple.
I was taught about Jesus from a young age. I grew up hearing about Jesus. I knew of, and followed, Jesus long before I knew of the OT prophecies that pointed to his coming.

I do read Moses' writings. I believe that the law that he gave the people at Sinai was from God and was to be obeyed. I believe Jesus when he said that he had come to fulfil the law, and I believe the author of Hebrews who says that Jesus is greater than Moses.
What I don't believe is that the food, hygiene and sacrificial laws given at at Sinai apply to, and have to be applied by, Gentile Christians today.
If you don't want to eat pork or seafood for personal or health reasons - fine. But there is no Scriptural verse imposing it on all people.

Bro.T said:
In conclusion sisters and brothers, this is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten. Leviticus 11:46-47 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (Leviticus 11:44)

In conclusion, this is OT.

You haven't yet answered the question, "are you saying that someone can believe and accept Jesus, John 6:40, receive eternal life, John 3:16, 1 John 5:12, be born again, John 3:3 become a new creation, 2 Corinthians 5:17, a child of God and heir with Christ, John 1:12, Romans 8:16-17, receive EVERY spiritual blessing in Christ, Ephesians 1:3, know that they can NEVER perish, John 10:28 and that nothing can snatch them from God's hand, John 10:29 - and then be condemned to hell for eating a bacon sandwich?"

If your answer is 'yes', then it seems you believe that Jesus was mistaken and the OT law saves us, has power over us and Jesus is unable to break that. Also that salvation depends on what WE do.

Bro.T--2 · Sep 14, 2020

Strong in Him said:
Which is why I asked you if you kept all the laws, and more, that I quoted from Leviticus. If you feel that you are obliged to keep the law, you must keep ALL of it - not trimming your beard, not touching women at certain times of the month, (good luck with that one), stoning to death anyone who does not keep the Sabbath.

I don't understand what you're saying - but this is all Old Testament.
Jesus said "nothing that goes into the mouth can make someone unclean". The Gospel writer, inspired by the Holy Spirit, said "in saying this he declared all foods to be clean".
The early church certainly taught that - the Council of Jerusalem did not tell the Gentiles which meat was unclean, they only said 'do not eat meat with blood in it'. Paul said that food does not bring us nearer to God and the Kingdom of heaven is not about eating and drinking.

Yet WE are not told here which animals were 'unclean'. Clearly some were, yet they were still to be taken into the ark to be preserved.
As you said, when Noah came out of the ark ALL things were given to him for food. God did not say, "those unclean animals you took in; don't eat them."

No, you have said "these verses show that the dietary law was instituted here" - not at all the same thing.

We haven't.

Yes - they trusted in Moses and the law he gave.
I trust in the Messiah, the One who fulfilled the law.

No, I'm pretty sure they trust in Jesus.

Quite simple.
I was taught about Jesus from a young age. I grew up hearing about Jesus. I knew of, and followed, Jesus long before I knew of the OT prophecies that pointed to his coming.

I do read Moses' writings. I believe that the law that he gave the people at Sinai was from God and was to be obeyed. I believe Jesus when he said that he had come to fulfil the law, and I believe the author of Hebrews who says that Jesus is greater than Moses.
What I don't believe is that the food, hygiene and sacrificial laws given at at Sinai apply to, and have to be applied by, Gentile Christians today.
If you don't want to eat pork or seafood for personal or health reasons - fine. But there is no Scriptural verse imposing it on all people.

In conclusion, this is OT.

You haven't yet answered the question, "are you saying that someone can believe and accept Jesus, John 6:40, receive eternal life, John 3:16, 1 John 5:12, be born again, John 3:3 become a new creation, 2 Corinthians 5:17, a child of God and heir with Christ, John 1:12, Romans 8:16-17, receive EVERY spiritual blessing in Christ, Ephesians 1:3, know that they can NEVER perish, John 10:28 and that nothing can snatch them from God's hand, John 10:29 - and then be condemned to hell for eating a bacon sandwich?"

If your answer is 'yes', then it seems you believe that Jesus was mistaken and the OT law saves us, has power over us and Jesus is unable to break that. Also that salvation depends on what WE do.

Let's go into Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. It's your choice to believe just because you a Gentile you don't have to keep the dietary law, or whatever. The clean and unclean Beast started way back in the days, probably before Noah. But Noah is as far as I can prove. Jesus says in Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever. Just because we years in the future doesn't change the word of God. A pig is still a pig, from Noah days to now. A catfish is still a catfish, from then till now. People change, God's word stays the same. People are stubborn, and disobedient to God's word. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. (Titus 1:16)

Understand this in Numbers 15: 14 And if a stranger sojourn with you, or whosoever be among you in your generations, and will offer an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord; as ye do, so he shall do. 15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord.16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you. Every word you read in the BIble was written by a Hebrew Israelite. You need to know and understand what laws are nail to the cross and which ones are not.

Strong in Him · Sep 15, 2020

Bro.T said:
It's your choice to believe just because you a Gentile you don't have to keep the dietary law, or whatever.

It's my choice to believe in Jesus, the One who fulfilled the law, to believe that his death on the cross was enough and that he needs no help to save anyone - yes.

Bro.T said:
The clean and unclean Beast started way back in the days, probably before Noah. But Noah is as far as I can prove.

You haven't actually proved anything, you've just stated it.
God also told Noah that he gave him EVERYTHING for food.

This doesn't prove that Gentiles have to abstain from eating unclean animals, any more than it proves that everyone HAS to eat meat.

Bro.T said:
Jesus says in Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever.

He is.
But the way he works is different. WE don't offer animal sacrifices - even Jews no longer do that. We don't go to the temple in Jerusalem to keep the important Jewish feasts - Jews have no temple so they can't do that.

Bro.T said:
Just because we years in the future doesn't change the word of God. A pig is still a pig, from Noah days to now. A catfish is still a catfish, from then till now.

I'm not talking about changing God's word, I'm talking about applying it.
Where do you read, or who says, that everyone HAS to apply every word of the Bible to their lives - that a word that was spoken to Noah about how to live in his world HAS to apply to us, living centuries later in a very different world?
How do you apply the commands about how to treat slaves, when we don't have slaves and believe that slavery is wrong?
How many people have you stoned to death for not keeping the Sabbath?
What do you do about all the verses where Paul teaches that circumcision is not only unnecessary but makes Christ's death worthless?
What about where Paul asks various people o come and visit him, or to bring him his cloak and scrolls - what's that got to do with us? How do we apply that? Yet your claim is that we have to believe EVERY word from God.

Bro.T said:
Every word you read in the BIble was written by a Hebrew Israelite. You need to know and understand what laws are nail to the cross and which ones are not.

Again, you're giving OT verses and arguments and not addressing the fact that God came to earth and brought in the NEW Covenant, prophesied by Jeremiah.
Again, you are unable to answer the question, "are you saying that someone can come to Jesus, receive eternal life, become born again and made God's child, be given the Holy Spirit and every blessing in Christ - and be condemned to hell for eating a bacon sandwich?"

My guess is that your answer to that question would be "no"; that Jesus is our only Saviour, that he alone saves, not the law and our salvation can be achieved apart from the law.
Maybe you don't want to admit it though because that would contradict your argument.

Like I said, you keep every tittle of the law if you wish; I have Jesus.

Scott Husted · Sep 15, 2020

Bro.T said:
Let's go into Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. It's your choice to believe just because you a Gentile you don't have to keep the dietary law, or whatever. The clean and unclean Beast started way back in the days, probably before Noah. But Noah is as far as I can prove. Jesus says in Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever. Just because we years in the future doesn't change the word of God. A pig is still a pig, from Noah days to now. A catfish is still a catfish, from then till now. People change, God's word stays the same. People are stubborn, and disobedient to God's word. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. (Titus 1:16)

Understand this in Numbers 15: 14 And if a stranger sojourn with you, or whosoever be among you in your generations, and will offer an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord; as ye do, so he shall do. 15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord.16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you. Every word you read in the BIble was written by a Hebrew Israelite. You need to know and understand what laws are nail to the cross and which ones are not.

This encapsulates Solomon conclusion or no ...

Bro.T--2 · Sep 15, 2020

Scott Husted said:
This encapsulates Solomon conclusion or no ...

In 1 Kings 4:30 And Solomon's wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the children of the east country, and all the wisdom of Egypt. :34 And there came of all people to hear the wisdom of Solomon, from all kings of the earth, which had heard of his wisdom.

So I probably would go with solomon and say I believe so.

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