Can the Dietary Law Get You Cut Off From God

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In the NT (spiritually speaking) you must drink, you must be cut off.


Yep, in Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Note: this is wine, not real blood people...Lol


 
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John 5:24


That's future tense

1 John 1:9


We continue to be forgiven of sins, we confess them, make no excuses, and our Father forgives us, He may chastise us, as in Hebrews 12:5-8, but no man is perfect, even after salvation. Your doctrine makes it only make sense to be saved on our deathbed.

I don't have a doctrine. I never said anything about being perfect, although Jesus says in Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, understand the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).
 
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IF you're Christian, why are you quoting the Torah, as if it applies to those living under the New Covenant? If you want to adhere to a doctrine that isn't in effect, why lay your false belief on others who know the truth in Christ?

Paul explained this New Covenant a little in; (Heb.10:1, 9-10,18,26-27) (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

(v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second.

(v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments.

(v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you.

(v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

lets us go to II Thessalonians chapter one, and start at the sixth verse and we will see that it is Jesus and not the Father.

Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; (II Thessalonians 1:6-9)

Note what the eighth verse states, "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God." Paul was quoting Isaiah the 66th chapter and the 15th verse, where it states, "For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire." These individuals that receive the Lord's vengeance know Him not and obey not the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. The dietary law is part of the commandments.

 
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Lol had to look up "Judaizers are Christians who teach it is necessary to adopt Jewish customs and practices, especially those found in the Law of Moses, to be saved."

All this is as Christ has not died yet. Then all this makes sense but Christ died and rose AMEN! And God (holy Spirit) through Paul covered this for Jewish believers and what all the other nations (branches grafted in) should do.

Thanks for sharing your personal view and that is all this is. I know Jewish believers and none of them say this nor believe this. Some are well known so their word has weight.

If this is what you personally believe then you best be doing this. No one answers to you and what you personally believe. To lead His Children down a wrong path is unwise. So tell them not to take your word for it but for them to search and pray and seek God.. for its to HIM and HIM only do they have to answer to.

Twelve tribes make of Israel and one tribe of them is Juda. Somes tribes where call Jews, but the people who called Jewish today are not the true Israelites. The true Israelites or Jews are still in captivity to this day. So there's a difference. Jesus says in Revelation 3:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Paul says in Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. This is a topic for another time, I just wanted to share this.
 
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I don't have a doctrine. I never said anything about being perfect, although Jesus says in Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, understand the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

It is your doctrine that if you sin so much as once after being saved, you become unsaved and are condemned.

Virtually all sins require will to execute, they are all a failing of resolve to temptation even after being saved. Saved people are tempted into one sin or another on a daily basis. The sin might not be something against the 10 commandments, but it can be as simple as spending time on the internet when you could be doing something more profitable like witnessing to a stranger. James 4:17.

If you expect that for a person to be saved, they have to live a sinless life after being saved, then heaven and the new earth will just be Jesus walking around by Himself.

That said, when a Christian sins, the spirit will convict them, they will probably face chastisement or scourging, earthly punishments (Hebrews 12:5-8), consequences of their sins, and they will repent and confess to the Lord and seek forgiveness and make changes to avoid sins in the future.
Salvation is not a license to sin, but there is forgiveness for sin in the Lord, and it is not a one time deal.

Proverbs 24:16
16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
Note that a just man falls and gets back up, they repent, the wicked fall, and they just keep living in that sin, they don't repent.

Matthew 18:21-22
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

If Jesus expects us to forgive that much (and I don't think He meant a hard limit, the point was to just forgive your brother for his sins when he comes forward and asks for forgiveness and repents), don't you think He'll not live up to His own standards? He exceeds them in every way.

and just an on topic note... I've never felt conviction, or experienced chastisement, for eating bacon.
 
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Some might say, "come on, the Lord wouldn't put a person in the lake of fire for eating swine's flesh (pork). TAKE GOOD HEED TO THESE NEXT SET OF SCRIPTURES!

He wouldn't, and don't shout.
Shouting doesn't make your argument correct or more valid.

For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. (Isaiah 66:15-17) The Lord says' by the mouth of Isaiah that those that eat swine's flesh (pork) shall be consumed. This is how a person gets condemned.

I've pointed out before that those verses are OT; part of the covenant that God made with his people but which they continuously broke.

ARE you saying that a person can believe in Jesus and receive eternal life (which is God's Will), be born again, receive the Holy Spirit, become a child of God and know his love, from which nothing can separate us - and then be condemned forever for eating a bacon sandwich?

Scripture says not.
 
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Yep, in Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Note: this is wine, not real blood people...Lol


Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Even though this (Matthew 26:26) is literal ... drinking wine and eating bread does not cause you to have eternal life ...


Paul began to see the law in a spiritual way, which is to say an inward thing, in an ever increasing way.
 
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Genesis 1:29
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

MEAT, noun. 1. Food in general;

Genesis 3:18
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

Exodus 16:15
And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat.

Exodus 16:31
And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.

Exodus 16:35
And the children of Israel did eat manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited; they did eat manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.

Only in rebellion did they eat flesh Exodus 16:8


Exodus 22:31
And ye shall be holy men unto me: neither shall ye eat any flesh that is torn of beasts in the field; ye shall cast it to the dogs.

Do you want to be "HOLY MEN"?

There will be no HAM SANDWICH in heaven

Revelation 21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
 
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Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Even though this is literal ...


"Literal" HOW do you come to this conclusion???????
 
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Genesis 1:29
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

MEAT, noun. 1. Food in general;

Genesis 3:18
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

Exodus 16:15
And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat.

Exodus 16:31
And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.

Exodus 16:35
And the children of Israel did eat manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited; they did eat manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.

Only in rebellion did they eat flesh Exodus 16:8


Exodus 22:31
And ye shall be holy men unto me: neither shall ye eat any flesh that is torn of beasts in the field; ye shall cast it to the dogs.

Do you want to be "HOLY MEN"?

There will be no HAM SANDWICH in heaven

Revelation 21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

What are you trying to say by posting all this stuff? What one eats or doesn't eat has no bearing on their righteousness. God is concerned with love and faith, not bacon!
 
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What are you trying to say by posting all this stuff? What one eats or doesn't eat has no bearing on their righteousness. God is concerned with love and faith, not bacon!

God is concerned about obedience

Exodus 16:28
And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Exodus 20:6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Did I make my Point?
 
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What are you trying to say by posting all this stuff? What one eats or doesn't eat has no bearing on their righteousness. God is concerned with love and faith, not bacon!

who wrote this?? I was told that all scripture is given by inspiration from God

Is 66
15 For behold, the Lord will come in fire
And His chariots like the whirlwind,
To render His anger with fury,
And His rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For the Lord will execute judgment by fire
And by His sword on all flesh,

And those slain by the Lord will be many.
17 “Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go to the gardens,
Following one in the center,
Who eat swine’s flesh, detestable things and mice,
Will come to an end altogether,” declares the Lord.


I have always assumed that God knows what is supposed to be important to Him
 
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God is concerned about obedience

Exodus 16:28
And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Exodus 20:6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Did I make my Point?

No, you didn't. It saddens me that you have no understanding of the New Covenant.

"For freedom Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be subject again to the yoke of slavery." Galatians 5:1

"Now this matter arose because of the false brothers with false pretenses who slipped in unnoticed to spy on our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, to make us slaves." Galatians 2:4

"For you were called to freedom, brothers and sisters; only do not use your freedom as an opportunity to indulge your flesh, but through love serve one another." Galatians 5:13

It is clear, not only to the Galatians, but also to the Corinthians, the Romans and every other Christian who understand the truth that "the law kills but the Spirit gives life!" 2 Corinthians 3:6

Everything that you have written concerns life before Jesus rose and sent the Holy Spirit to believers.
 
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