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Hi Pasifika, thanks for your reply but I do not understand it or can I see how it addresses the questions asked in the post you are quoting from below..Thank you LGW, I believe all the laws given under the old covenant are all pointed to Christ even the 7th day Sabbath. Yes the 7th day Sabbath reminded the Israelites of their God who works 6 days and rested on the 7th day in creation ( as a memorial as you’ve said). That same God who came as a man and died in Calvary so the 7th day Sabbath was pointed to Christ the maker of the universe from creation..
LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Ok great thanks pasifika. Thanks for showing your agreement with what we have been sharing so far. Let's discuss the part of your last post that we are not in agreement on which was....
You know I actually agree with this scripture and statement but many mistakenly think that Colossians 2:16-17 is talking about God's 4th commandment which is it not.
If you read all of Colossians 2:11-17 you are right that it is correctly talking about "SHADOW LAWS" just like those of HEBREWS 10:1-23 we were talking about earlier.
You agree that the "SHADOW LAWS" are those from the MOSAIC BOOK of the old covenant for the remission of sins and those laws that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant right? This I also agree on.
All these "SHADOW LAWS" however from the Mosaic BOOK of the old covenant where given to mankind after the fall of mankind AFTER man sinned against God and were pointing to JESUS and God's plan of salvation for all mankind right?
Let me ask you a question here....
How can God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which God made on the "seventh day" of creation *GENESIS 2:1-3 be a "SHADOW LAW" when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and talked face to face with God when there was NO SIN and no need of God's plan of salvation and when God's Sabbath was a part of the FINISHED work of creation?
God's 4th commandment is a "MEMORIAL" that means it does not point forward it points backward to the finished work of creation when there was no sin.
EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation GENESIS 2:3]. [9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: [10], But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY?] [11], FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Refering to GENESIS 2:1-3]
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Pasifika, now look at the contexts Colossians 2:16..
Did you know that under the old covenant annual feasts days there were special ceremonial annual sabbath days that were not God's 4th commandment that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle?
Lets look at them asking the question what was Paul referring to in Colossians 2:16 where the context here is to new moons, meat and drink, and sabbath days (not the Sabbath day).
Here is a list of old covenant sabbaths beside God's 4th commandment...
1. The sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:6-8
2. The sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:27-32
3. The sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?
4. The sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:34-36
5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:39
6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *LEVITICUS 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week
7. The sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *LEVITICUS 25:2
8. The sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *LEVITICUS 25:9-54
9. Or God's 4th commandment seventh day weekly Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments that define sin when broken? *EXODUS 20:8-11 from GENESIS 2:1-3
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So as you can see from the scriptures above there are many different kinds of sabbaths in the old testament isn't there. The annual ceremonial sabbaths in the feast days are the shadows of things to come. God's 4th commandment Sabbath however as we saw earlier is one of God's 10 commandments that is a "MEMORIAL" of creations past which points backwards and not forwards so cannot be a shadow of anything.
So if the context of Colossians 2:16 is to the shadow sabbaths and the new moons in the annual feast days what sabbaths do you think Colossians 2 is talking about?
Take your time to prayerfully consider this dear friend and reply when your ready. No hurry.
May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
1. How can God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which God made on the "seventh day" of creation *GENESIS 2:1-3 be a "SHADOW LAW" when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and talked face to face with God when there was NO SIN and no need of God's plan of salvation and when God's Sabbath was a part of the FINISHED work of creation?
The "SHADOW LAWS" were only made after the fall of mankind as part of God's plan of salvation for mankind. There was no Shadow laws when the Sabbath was made and the Sabbath was made before sin when man was in perfect harmony with God.
2. Did you know that under the old covenant annual feasts days there were special ceremonial annual sabbath days that were not God's 4th commandment that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle?
3. If there are many different kinds of annual ceremonial sabbaths connected to the new moons and feast days that can fall on any day of the week as shown above and if the context of Colossians 2:16 is to the shadow sabbaths v17 and the new moons in the annual feast days what sabbaths do you think Colossians 2 is talking about?
BTW there is no mention of the 10 commandments in Colossians 2. The context is to the ceremonial shadow laws from the Mosaic book of the old covenant. Also, there was no ISRAEL or JEWS when JESUS says the Sabbath was made for all mankind *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27
Look forward to your response. (scripture please)
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