Can the Dietary Law Get You Cut Off From God

Jamdoc · Sep 8, 2020

Bro.T said:
Paul say in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. You have to read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, with understanding and wisdom. Post some scriptures proving what you believe or understand.

Why do you never address Acts 10 or 1 Timothy 4?
Too inconvenient?

Bro.T--2 · Sep 8, 2020

Scott Husted said:
Drinking blood can also get you cut off forever, though this is what Jesus said you have no life without.

Good point. Let's read it in Leviticus 17:13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust. :14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

pescador · Sep 8, 2020

Bro.T said:
Paul say in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. You have to read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, with understanding and wisdom. Post some scriptures proving what you believe or understand.

Your request is ridiculous. I believe and understand the Bible, from Genesis 1 through Revelation 22. The subject of the post -- that eating something will "get you cut off from God" -- is ridiculous.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-21 says, "Always rejoice, constantly pray, in everything give thanks. For this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus. Do not extinguish the Spirit. Do not treat prophecies with contempt. But examine all things; hold fast to what is good. Stay away from every form of evil." a) Stop taking verses out of context. b) Use a modern translation; "prove all things" doesn't mean what you think it means.

pescador · Sep 8, 2020

Bro.T said:
Good point. Let's read it in Leviticus 17:13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust. :14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

IF you're Christian, why are you quoting the Torah, as if it applies to those living under the New Covenant? If you want to adhere to a doctrine that isn't in effect, why lay your false belief on others who know the truth in Christ?

Bro.T--2 · Sep 8, 2020

Jamdoc said:
Why do you never address Acts 10 or 1 Timothy 4?
Too inconvenient?

No problem my friend. Let's go into Acts chapter 10 is another part of the Bible that confuses people concerning the dietary law. Let's start at the first verse.

There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, a devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God always. He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius. And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, “What is it, Lord?” And he said unto him, “Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter” (Acts 10:1-5)

The angel of the Lord could have told Cornelius all he needed to know about the Lord, but that would have broken the protocol of God. The word of God is in the hands of Israel and can only be taught by the sons of Jacob (Israel). That's why the angel sent Cornelius, which was a son of Japheth (Gentile), to Peter the Israelite. Cornelius sent two of his servant to find Peter. The Lord prepares Peter before the two servants arrived. Let's skip down to the 9th verse.

On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of four-footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, “Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” (Acts 10: 9-14)

Peter was on the housetop and became very hungry, correct? And the Lord showed Peter all different types four footed beasts, creeping things, and fowls of the air. The Lord told Peter kill and eat, correct? But, what was Peter's response? "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean." This vision was shown to Peter three times. Note what the 17th verse states.

Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate, (Acts 10:17) Peter knew that the vision had a deeper meaning. So, what was the Lord trying to show Peter? Let's see what Peter's vision was all about.

And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and had called together his kinsmen and near friends. And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together. (Acts 10:24-27)

Pay very close attention to the next verse!

And he said unto them, “Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.” (Acts 10:28)

So, was the Lord telling Peter its okay to eat things that are common or unclean? No! The verse states, "I should not call any man common or unclean." Peter now understood the purpose of the vision, which was the allowance of the Gentiles into the church of God that was set up by Moses in the wilderness.

Let's go into I Timothy chapter four and start at verse one.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; (I Timothy 4:1-2)

In the last days the so-called people of God have departed from the true belief, and cannot be reasoned with. Yes, they truly have taken heed to doctrine of devils clinging to a dogma that cannot be defended. Worshipping a god that hangs on a Roman death symbol. When the true and living God, is sitting on the right hand of Power in the Third heaven, being very much alive. Now take note of the next verse.

Forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (I Timothy 4: 3)

First of all, note the first three words in the verse, "Forbidding to marry." Forbidding to marry has no part in the doctrine of the true and Living God. The first commandment given to Adam and Eve was be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth. This same commandment was give to Noah, his sons, and their wives. In addition, I Timothy chapter 3 in verse 2 states, "a bishop should be a husband of one wife." Forbidding to marry is truly a doctrine of something else that not in the Bible. So, where did this nonsense come from? Take note!

Celibacy is particularly associated with Roman Catholic priests, who are forbidden by canon law to marry. This requirement is distinct from the vow of chastity taken by monks and nuns, who choose a life of consecrated chastity and ratify their choice, by vow. After the Second Vatican Council (1960-65), the issue of celibacy was again debated vigorously with the hope of making it optional for the clergy. Popes Paul VI and John Paul II, however, reconfirmed the traditional teaching that celibacy should remain mandatory for the clergy of the Latin Church. Reasons generally given for priestly celibacy are promotion of single-minded dedication to the ministry and the need for freedom for prayer. 1Copyright (c) 1999 Grolier Interactive Inc.

As we can see, in-order to be a minister in the above organizations, it is mandatory that you remain celibate. It is not decided by the individuals own free will. This organization also abstains from meats that were created to be received during a period they call lent.

Let's return to I Timothy chapter 4 and start at the 4th verse.

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (I Timothy 4:4-5)

Every creature of God is good, but all are not created to be received to eat. The beasts that are sanctified or set apart in the Word of God are outlined in Leviticus the 11 chapter and also Deuteronomy the 14th chapter.

Jamdoc · Sep 8, 2020

Bro.T said:
No problem my friend. Let's go into Acts chapter 10 is another part of the Bible that confuses people concerning the dietary law. Let's start at the first verse.

There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, a devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God always. He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius. And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, “What is it, Lord?” And he said unto him, “Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter” (Acts 10:1-5)

The angel of the Lord could have told Cornelius all he needed to know about the Lord, but that would have broken the protocol of God. The word of God is in the hands of Israel and can only be taught by the sons of Jacob (Israel). That's why the angel sent Cornelius, which was a son of Japheth (Gentile), to Peter the Israelite. Cornelius sent two of his servant to find Peter. The Lord prepares Peter before the two servants arrived. Let's skip down to the 9th verse.

On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of four-footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, “Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” (Acts 10: 9-14)

Peter was on the housetop and became very hungry, correct? And the Lord showed Peter all different types four footed beasts, creeping things, and fowls of the air. The Lord told Peter kill and eat, correct? But, what was Peter's response? "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean." This vision was shown to Peter three times. Note what the 17th verse states.

Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate, (Acts 10:17) Peter knew that the vision had a deeper meaning. So, what was the Lord trying to show Peter? Let's see what Peter's vision was all about.

And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and had called together his kinsmen and near friends. And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together. (Acts 10:24-27)

Pay very close attention to the next verse!

And he said unto them, “Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.” (Acts 10:28)

So, was the Lord telling Peter its okay to eat things that are common or unclean? No! The verse states, "I should not call any man common or unclean." Peter now understood the purpose of the vision, which was the allowance of the Gentiles into the church of God that was set up by Moses in the wilderness.

Let's go into I Timothy chapter four and start at verse one.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; (I Timothy 4:1-2)

In the last days the so-called people of God have departed from the true belief, and cannot be reasoned with. Yes, they truly have taken heed to doctrine of devils clinging to a dogma that cannot be defended. Worshipping a god that hangs on a Roman death symbol. When the true and living God, is sitting on the right hand of Power in the Third heaven, being very much alive. Now take note of the next verse.

Forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (I Timothy 4: 3)

First of all, note the first three words in the verse, "Forbidding to marry." Forbidding to marry has no part in the doctrine of the true and Living God. The first commandment given to Adam and Eve was be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth. This same commandment was give to Noah, his sons, and their wives. In addition, I Timothy chapter 3 in verse 2 states, "a bishop should be a husband of one wife." Forbidding to marry is truly a doctrine of something else that not in the Bible. So, where did this nonsense come from? Take note!

Celibacy is particularly associated with Roman Catholic priests, who are forbidden by canon law to marry. This requirement is distinct from the vow of chastity taken by monks and nuns, who choose a life of consecrated chastity and ratify their choice, by vow. After the Second Vatican Council (1960-65), the issue of celibacy was again debated vigorously with the hope of making it optional for the clergy. Popes Paul VI and John Paul II, however, reconfirmed the traditional teaching that celibacy should remain mandatory for the clergy of the Latin Church. Reasons generally given for priestly celibacy are promotion of single-minded dedication to the ministry and the need for freedom for prayer. 1Copyright (c) 1999 Grolier Interactive Inc.

As we can see, in-order to be a minister in the above organizations, it is mandatory that you remain celibate. It is not decided by the individuals own free will. This organization also abstains from meats that were created to be received during a period they call lent.

Let's return to I Timothy chapter 4 and start at the 4th verse.

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (I Timothy 4:4-5)

Every creature of God is good, but all are not created to be received to eat. The beasts that are sanctified or set apart in the Word of God are outlined in Leviticus the 11 chapter and also Deuteronomy the 14th chapter.

Some problems with those interpretations
First, God told Peter to rise, kill and eat, and Peter was hungry. To say that only had to do with teaching the Gentiles, what's the killing and eating? Why was it all four footed beasts in the vessel?

Second, in Timothy the context is also eating, you're creating a separation, Paul was referring to doctrines of forbidding to eat certain things. You're saying that Paul somehow segways into a completely different topic to say "yes these animals are good, but they're not for eating"

That is nonsensical from the context.

Bro.T--2 · Sep 8, 2020

pescador said:
Your request is ridiculous. I believe and understand the Bible, from Genesis 1 through Revelation 22. The subject of the post -- that eating something will "get you cut off from God" -- is ridiculous.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-21 says, "Always rejoice, constantly pray, in everything give thanks. For this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus. Do not extinguish the Spirit. Do not treat prophecies with contempt. But examine all things; hold fast to what is good. Stay away from every form of evil." a) Stop taking verses out of context. b) Use a modern translation; "prove all things" doesn't mean what you think it means.

Amazing that we as people in this world go to school all ours lives for the most part. From kindergarten to High School and some to college. But when it comes to the Word of God as say, "Your request is ridiculous." Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Rightly dividing the true starts from Genesis to Revelation. Paul said in (1Cor. 15:1-2) (v.1) MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (v.2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul is telling you right here that you are saved by the gospel that he preached unto you if you keep it in memory. So what happens if you don’t keep it in memory? Then you have believed in vain you have believed for nothing that’s what vain means. Now , Ask yourself are keeping in memory...All of what Paul preach about, because most of it comes from the prophets the Old Testament.

Bro.T--2 · Sep 8, 2020

Danigt22 said:
"And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check."
When our lord took our cup of wrath and bruise the head of the serpent did he did it in a day to day basis or did he did knowing all of our sins. This is the part were you cross the line chasing the law which only gives death, even when James was clear in what us gentiles should follow you are stuck searching to give scriptures another meaning. Seek the mercy of God first instead of spying in our freedom in Christ and spreading your Judaizing doctrines.

How is this Judaizing doctrine and you reading it from the Bible. You call me this as if I wrote what your reading. Paul says in (Rom. 11:22) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. You had better continue in God’s goodness or you will be cut off. This is also the writing of thee Apostle Paul. You must continue to keep God’s laws if you expect to receive salvation. (Colo. 1:22-23) (v.22) In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: (v.23) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settle, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister. You must continue in the faith and not be moved by the cares of the world. It’s more than confessing the name of Jesus, salvation is a work in progress you must take it one day at a time. It is a sad thing to believe that once you say that you believe on Christ your journey is done. You have only taken the first steps toward learning about the true and living God. (Heb. 3:14) For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; You must believe in what you are doing that’s what faith is, you most be confident unto the end. You must keep God’s law until death or until the coming of the Lord, if you expect salvation.

Bro.T--2 · Sep 8, 2020

Jamdoc said:
Some problems with those interpretations
First, God told Peter to rise, kill and eat, and Peter was hungry. To say that only had to do with teaching the Gentiles, what's the killing and eating? Why was it all four footed beasts in the vessel?

Second, in Timothy the context is also eating, you're creating a separation, Paul was referring to doctrines of forbidding to eat certain things. You're saying that Paul somehow segways into a completely different topic to say "yes these animals are good, but they're not for eating"

That is nonsensical from the context.

I'm not sure what you asking me if you have carefully read the chapter yourself. Remember there was NT when these letters were written. The apostles kept the law written by the prophets.

Bro.T--2 · Sep 8, 2020

Strong in Him said:
All need to be saved by Christ, yes.
Accepting Christ does not mean first obeying and following the OT law.

Yes, it's through Christ who gives eternal life, not the law, which doesn't.

EVERY word? Really?
How many people have you stoned to death for not keeping the Sabbath or for committing adultery?
Do you wear clothes made from only one fabric?
Do you offer animal sacrifices?
Do you rise in the presence of your elders?
Have you ever trimmed the hair at the sides of your head, or your beard?
Have you been circumcised?
Do you avoid women at certain times of the month and after they have given birth, and burn anything which they have been wearing and which you touch?
Do you abstain from ALL the foods listed in Leviticus?
When I have asked these things before, I have been told that these are only the Jewish oral tradition and do not need to be kept - but they are all recorded in the Bible; God said these things to Moses.

If you do obey all of the above; good.
But then you also have a problem, because:
One of the commandments is you shall not murder - and it's against our law too.
Christ is our sacrifice, offered once and for all for sin. Even the Jews don't offer animal sacrifices now.
Paul said that circumcision is nothing, cannot save and that if anyone is circumcised it means that Christ died for nothing.
Jesus touched a woman who had been bleeding for many years and called her daughter.
Jesus and Paul said that food does not make someone unclean and cannot bring you closer to God.

Yes, if we have the Holy Spirit - after we have been born again - we are God's children. I said that.

Nope - we only need Jesus.
Jesus alone saves; not Jesus + the law, Jesus + baptism, Jesus + obeying "correct" church practice, or anything else.
Jesus is the giver of eternal life, John 3:16, John 3:36, 1 John 5:12.
The work of God is to believe in the one that he sent, John 6:29.
God's will is that everyone who believes in Jesus has eternal life and is saved, John 6:40.
There is no other name given to men by which we are saved, Acts of the Apostles 4:12.
Jesus never said "keep the law and you will be saved", only "believe in me."

Jesus said, "I WILL build my church", not "I started building my church centuries ago and you get to join it if you do all the right things".

Given to a specific group of people.

You do realise that the commandments are love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and love your neighbour as yourself, and the rich young man was showing only that he loved his neighbour - he didn't mention God at all?
You do realise that the thing that was preventing him from loving God and putting him first was his great wealth, which is why Jesus told him to sell his possessions and give to the poor?

You keep every iota of the OT law if it makes you feel good it doesn't save; only Jesus does. Personally, I am in Christ, not the OT law.

Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check.

Jamdoc · Sep 8, 2020

Bro.T said:
I'm not sure what you asking me if you have carefully read the chapter yourself. Remember there was NT when these letters were written. The apostles kept the law written by the prophets.

Yeah, Peter kept the laws, God told Him to rise kill and eat to sate his hunger and declared all animals clean. Peter balked at it saying he'd never eaten anything unclean, God rebuked him. Was Peter's declaration that he'd never eaten anything unclean followed by God's rebuking of him and admonishing him not to call what God made clean common having to do with teaching gentiles? Because Peter only came to that interpretation AFTER that conversation. When Peter actually made the complaint, he was referring to not eating unclean animals.
God rebuked him.

I have carefully read the chapters, and I take them to mean as they are written.

Understand that many things were fulfilled at the cross and resurrection and Pentecost. Many laws changed, and we know that many laws changed because some things in the old testament that are abominations if we do them we're not convicted by the Holy Spirit.

Jeremiah 31:31-33, do you disagree that the law is written in our hearts in the new covenant, and that the holy spirit convicts us when we transgress?
I know before the holy spirit, I could consume inappropriate contentography without feeling conviction, but now, if I fall to temptation, not only am I convicted by it, and prodded to immediate repentance, but I don't even enjoy it, even if I used to enjoy it, all it earns me is conviction and guilt and enmity between the spirit and the flesh.
I don't feel any conviction at all eating a pork chop.
I feel conviction and a need to repent if I get angry at someone for a worldly reason.
I don't feel any conviction at all if I wear a cotton and polyester blend pair of underwear.

Is the law written in our hearts or not?

Jamdoc · Sep 8, 2020

Bro.T said:
Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check.

John 5:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

That's future tense

1 John 1:9

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

We continue to be forgiven of sins, we confess them, make no excuses, and our Father forgives us, He may chastise us, as in Hebrews 12:5-8, but no man is perfect, even after salvation. Your doctrine makes it only make sense to be saved on our deathbed.

Scott Husted · Sep 8, 2020

Bro.T said:
Good point. Let's read it in Leviticus 17:13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust. :14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

In the NT (spiritually speaking) you must drink, you must be cut off.

Danigt22 · Sep 8, 2020

Bro.T said:
How is this Judaizing doctrine and you reading it from the Bible. You call me this as if I wrote what your reading. Paul says in (Rom. 11:22) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. You had better continue in God’s goodness or you will be cut off. This is also the writing of thee Apostle Paul. You must continue to keep God’s laws if you expect to receive salvation. (Colo. 1:22-23) (v.22) In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: (v.23) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settle, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister. You must continue in the faith and not be moved by the cares of the world. It’s more than confessing the name of Jesus, salvation is a work in progress you must take it one day at a time. It is a sad thing to believe that once you say that you believe on Christ your journey is done. You have only taken the first steps toward learning about the true and living God. (Heb. 3:14) For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; You must believe in what you are doing that’s what faith is, you most be confident unto the end. You must keep God’s law until death or until the coming of the Lord, if you expect salvation.

"3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise."

You are also disobeying the apostle James making your own rules with the scriptures. If you cant see you are a Judaizer Im sorry for you. I wont be answering anymore.

Maria Billingsley · Sep 8, 2020

Dkh587 said:
what a person esteems as holy, and what God esteems as holy are 2 different things.

Do you agree?

Yes, I believe many do not get what God considers Holy however, I do know of one, marriage and yet many do not consider this fact.
Be blessed.

Original Happy Camper · Sep 8, 2020

Jamdoc said:
Why do you never address Acts 10 or 1 Timothy 4?
Too inconvenient?

See my previous posts on 1 Tin 4 and I will respond to acts 10 if you want me to

Blade · Sep 9, 2020

Lol had to look up "Judaizers are Christians who teach it is necessary to adopt Jewish customs and practices, especially those found in the Law of Moses, to be saved."

All this is as Christ has not died yet. Then all this makes sense but Christ died and rose AMEN! And God (holy Spirit) through Paul covered this for Jewish believers and what all the other nations (branches grafted in) should do.

Thanks for sharing your personal view and that is all this is. I know Jewish believers and none of them say this nor believe this. Some are well known so their word has weight.

If this is what you personally believe then you best be doing this. No one answers to you and what you personally believe. To lead His Children down a wrong path is unwise. So tell them not to take your word for it but for them to search and pray and seek God.. for its to HIM and HIM only do they have to answer to.

Strong in Him · Sep 9, 2020

Bro.T said:
Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check.

None of this answers the questions that I asked not addresses the Scriptures that I posted.
And you still haven't said if you believe that we can come to Christ, receive eternal life but then be eternally condemned for eating a bacon sandwich.

I'll take that as a "no" then.

Bro.T--2 · Sep 9, 2020

Strong in Him said:
None of this answers the questions that I asked not addresses the Scriptures that I posted.
And you still haven't said if you believe that we can come to Christ, receive eternal life but then be eternally condemned for eating a bacon sandwich.

I'll take that as a "no" then.

Paul say in Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Paul also says in (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. Willful Sin can cause problem for those who have that problem, of sinning. And, when sin is finished it brings forth death. So, how can an individual pray over something that is unclean? They cannot. Why? (He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination. (Proverbs 28:9). A prayer of a sinner is an abomination to the Lord. Some might say, "come on, the Lord wouldn't put a person in the lake of fire for eating swine's flesh (pork). TAKE GOOD HEED TO THESE NEXT SET OF SCRIPTURES!

For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. (Isaiah 66:15-17) The Lord says' by the mouth of Isaiah that those that eat swine's flesh (pork) shall be consumed. This is how a person gets condemned.

Bro.T--2 · Sep 9, 2020

Danigt22 said:
"3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise."

You are also disobeying the apostle James making your own rules with the scriptures. If you cant see you are a Judaizer Im sorry for you. I wont be answering anymore.

Thats Paul who wrote that not James, but let's read it again with understanding. (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE:

What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments).

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law?

A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law?

It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law. How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

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