Was the birth of Israel in 1948 a fulfilment of Biblical prophesy?

Carl Emerson said:

Hi there,

Just wondering how folks view this unlikely event.

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The Church is Israel and all the promises of God are yes only through Jesus. The land of biblical Israel is worldwide today in fulfillment of the promise made to Abraham. Contemporary Israel is not connected to Biblical Israel in any way. They fall among the gentiles we are to evangelize.

No, it was not.

Carl Emerson said:

Hi there,

Just wondering how folks view this unlikely event.

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By all means, yes! As a thorough study of Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy will prove. It is an amazing study.

Melody Suttles said:

By all means, yes! As a thorough study of Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy will prove. It is an amazing study.

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It has nothing to do with the 70 weeks. The 70 weeks are about Christ setting up His eternal kingdom in the time of the ancient Roman Empire. Which he did. But only the born-again could see it. The Pharisees expected the physical kingdom you and others still look for but will never see.

Carl Emerson said:

Was the birth of Israel in 1948 a fulfilment of Biblical prophesy?

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1) I don't believe in Dispensationalism. The birth of Israel has nothing to do with Daniel's 70 weeks. This has been fulfilled in the 1st coming of the King.

2) The Church is Israel and those who are "in Christ" are the true Israelites.

3) However, the issue may not be as simple as this and there may be a future mystery enfolding.

4) Most Christians (whether Amil or Premil) believe there will be a future Antichrist, just before the end.

5) If this belief is true, and I think it is, then the physical Israel may play a role before the 2nd coming of the King.

6) Looking at today's Middle East politics and the roles that Turkey and Iran are playing, I feel concern that we may be approaching something like Armageddon.

Carl Emerson said:

Hi there,

Just wondering how folks view this unlikely event.

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It has God's fingerprints all over it.

Chris V++ said:

It has God's fingerprints all over it.

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Where is the scripture for this position?

Carl,

I don't know. Many believe they have the answer but only the Lord knows for sure. I prefer to view questions from different angles. Certainty can blind you to other possibilities. His thoughts aren't our thoughts. No amount of study or churning will reveal a truth He doesn't want to unveil.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

Dave L said:

Where is the scripture for this position?

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Jeremiah
6 “O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter has done? declares the Lord. Behold, like the clay in the potter's hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. 7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, 8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it. 9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, 10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.

Acts
26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28

Chris V++ said:

Jeremiah
6 “O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter has done? declares the Lord. Behold, like the clay in the potter's hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. 7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, 8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it. 9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, 10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.

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Sounds more like it could be a prediction of the holocaust.

Chris V++ said:

Jeremiah
6 “O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter has done? declares the Lord. Behold, like the clay in the potter's hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. 7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, 8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it. 9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, 10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.

Acts
26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28

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You are reading this as the Pharisees do. Remember, God, blinded them so they could not understand scripture. Study Jesus on the kingdom, and you'll see it as it is.

Akita Suggagaki said:

Sounds more like it could be a prediction of the holocaust.

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And thank God the allies prevailed, right?

Dave L said:

You are reading this as the Pharisees do. Remember, God, blinded them so they could not understand scripture. Study Jesus on the kingdom, and you'll see it as it is.

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So God didn't will for the Jews to return to Israel and reestablish a state but somehow they prevailed?
The wool may be pulled over their eyes right now but there is still time to repent.

Chris V++ said:

So God didn't will for the Jews to return to Israel and reestablish a state but somehow they prevailed?
The wool may be pulled over their eyes right now but there is still time to repent.

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You don't understand the NT and how it reinterprets the Old. You still think as the Pharisees do.

Carl Emerson said:

Hi there,

Just wondering how folks view this unlikely event.

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In response to the thread title: absolutely not!

I believe it's a satanic deception in order to lead people astray by having them look in the wrong direction...

When your looking over there, you dont see what's right in front of your face... and what's in your face is what you should both see, and react to..

Dave L said:

You don't understand the NT and how it reinterprets the Old. You still think as the Pharisees do.

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I though we were instructed not to be arrogant towards the Jews:

Romans 11:11-31

11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!

13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. 15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? 16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”

OP question:
Was the birth of Israel in 1948 a fulfilment of Biblical prophesy?

God established His covenant with Abraham & promises to bless those who bless Israel: (Gen 12:2-3, 13:14, 15:17-18)

God gives the exact boundaries of the promised land in Num 34:1-15 (also: Deut 1:8, Ex 2:24, Ex 6:4, 8 & Ps 105:8-11)

King David "bought" the threshing floor (37 acre Temple Mt area) from Araunah the Jebusite. & built an altar to the Lord so that a “plague may be held back from the people” (2 Sam 24:18, 21 & 1 Chron 21

PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO: Num 34:1-15
(NOTE: George Bush tried to give away Israel's land. Barack Obama wanted to give away Israel's land. It's not theirs to give or negotiate away. God gave it to Israel in a "Everlasting Covenant")

God states that the covenant of the Land is based on "His" eternal character, "Not" on Israel's own righteousness. He makes clear that even when they forsake His will, He will "NEVER" forget His covenant (Lev:26:42-45, Jer 31:35-37, Ps 89:30-37

God will restore Israel for the sake of His holy name: (Eze. 37:17-23, 39:25-29, Jer 33:23-26. After 2000 yrs DONE 1948)

God says He will gather the exiles & bring them home to Israel (Isa 11:1-12 & many other scriptures. Began in 1948 & continues today)

The national, physical restoration of Israel In the last days (THATS US NOW) is a necessary and prophesied step towards restoration and ultimate redemption for the entire world: (Ezek 36:24-29, 37:11-14, Jer 3:1:8-10, 31:3134, Amos 9:14-15)

All The Above Are True because GOD Is NOT a man that He should lie. Num 23:19.

That's my long winded answer to the OP - YES!

Chris V++ said:

I though we were instructed not to be arrogant towards the Jews:

Romans 11:11-31

11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!

13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. 15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? 16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”

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So what do you think this proves?

Chris V++ said:

And thank God the allies prevailed, right?

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Absolutely. And if the holocaust was not prophesied, why not?