Leviticus 17:11 - For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.
Hebrews 9:12 - Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].
The difference is that the shed blood of Jesus provides eternal redemption while the blood of animals do not.
But that's all that they had at the time until Jesus would come along. So they used what they had. Instead of nothing at all.
here's the catch, what Paul was teaching, throughout Hebrews and Romans, was that they didn't actually have a different mechanism of salvation then we do They performed rituals of symbolic nature showing a faith in Jesus Christ, even though they did not know His name and He had not been revealed to Him. Romans 4:3 "Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.". They have the same means of salvation, they just didn't know His name at the time. Likewise, we use the name Jesus, but that's a modernization, of an English and Latin translation (Iesus), of a Koine Greek approximation (Ιησούς) of the Hebrew Yeshua, or maybe even Yahshua, or I've heard Yehoshua (as in Yehovah)). We butcher the name, and ultimately are not 100% sure of the right name and pronunciation because Hebrew has no vowels and was a dead language for over 1000 years. Does that mean we can't be saved by calling on Jesus? No. What are we seeking in our heart? We're putting out there in faith that there's a God who created heaven and earth and we sinned against Him and we're sorry and we heard that His son atoned for our sins by dying on the cross and that He accepted His son's sacrifice in our place by resurrecting Him. Maybe we have mispronounced the name, but we are putting our faith in the right place. As far as I know, that still counts.
Are you meaning the phrase "pre-trib rapture"? On that basis there are no verses that say a post-trib rapture either.
In the case of post-trib rapture there is no word that describes a meeting with Jesus in the air then making a u-turn back to the earth with Him. Yet they say that the rapture occurs there. But there are no words or phrases of rapture occurring at the Second Coming of Jesus.
The post-trib rapture u-turn omits the Bema seat judgement in heaven and the marriage supper of the Lamb in heaven.
There are verses for a post trib rapture, as in Matthew 24:29-31, that is the rapture, the gathering of the saints. Said to take place immediately after the tribulation.
As for the bema seat and wedding supper of the lamb, that is part of why I believe in pre wrath, rather than what is traditionally termed post trib which is after the 7th trumpet or after all the trumpets and vials or even after armageddon. Pre wrath, puts us in heaven during the trumpet and vial judgements, for bare minimum 5 months. There's your bema seat and wedding supper of the lamb time.
The post-trib ignores Rev.3 and 2 Thes 2 and Isa.26 which teach a pre-trib rapture rather than going through the Tribulation.
Let's examine these
Revelation 3, I'm sure you mean 3:10. #1 I want you to notice that this is not said to all churches, if you take the 7 letters to the 7 churches to not just be referring to 7 physical churches in Turkey, but to be prophetic (which is possible, that they represent different types of churches at the time just before the 2nd coming, it's a better way of seeing it as prophetic than the 7 different church ages theory). In that case, those in Thyatira were actually threatened with the great tribulations, and the church of Smyrna, despite Jesus not actually having any complaint against them, were going through the tribulations. Think about that a moment when you try to apply the church of Philadelphia to yourself a second. Jesus had 0 complaints about the Church in Smyrna, He had only words of encouragement, and they would die as martyrs. Why is Philadelphia raptured out safely and Smyrna martyred?
So I'm not sold on that view, not in the way you see it anyway.
I also want to point out the useage of the word "keep". It's not necessarily that they will be raptured out, but is more likely, that they'll be protected and provided for. Like the woman (the symbol being traditionally representing Israel), fed in the wilderness for 1260 days. So will Philadelphians be raptured rather than killed? Probably, I just think it'll be during the great tribulations rather than before, but it's still a better fate than the Smyrnans, and remember, they did nothing wrong. The Smyrnans were victims.
2 Thessalonians 2.. come on now. This one is straight forward
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Paul is going right back to the Olivet discourse here, showing that Jesus said He wouldn't be gathering His saints, until after the abomination of desolation. That's most definitely NOT pre trib, that's right in line with one of the post trib positions, I'd argue pre wrath obviously. The abomination of Desolation is the start of the great tribulations.
Isaiah 26 supports a pre wrath more than a pre trib position, especially put in line with other verses showing the timing of the rapture in Revelation 6 and Revelation 14 (Revelation 6-11 is one chronological vision, while Revelations 12-20 are a different chronological vision), followed by trumpets in one vision, and vials in the 2nd vision that are the wrath of God and culminating in the final judgement. It seems to debunk a "post wrath" position that most post trib people really are, thinking it takes place after the trumpets and vials "the last trump" which I don't think means the 7th trumpet judgement at all. It's the only verse you listed that possibly suggests a pretrib rapture to me, but it also fits pre wrath, and comparing scripture to scripture, pre wrath is more likely. Thank you for reminding me of that one though. I don't think to quote much old testament in any rapture timing discussion.
Neither is there an explicit post-trib rapture in Rev.19.
Here's where you have a big mistake because you have missed some details.
Compare 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 6:12-17, Revelation 14:14-20.
Notice the details. In the rapture passages from 1 Thessalonians 4 you have the angels and the trumpet, just like Matthew 24. In Matthew 24 you have the darkening of the sun and moon, just like you have in Revelation 6 after the 6th seal, and you have the son of man coming in the clouds with power and great glory, just like in Revelation 14, and the harvest of the world, is kind of like the parable of the wheat and the tares. Notice the first angel reaps...... but they don't describe what happens to those who are reaped.. that is the wheat, gathered into the Lord's barn. But the tares, or in this case, grapes, are reaped, and those are gathered to burn, or be put through the winepress of the Lord's wrath.
Do you see how these verses compliment and complete each other? The coming of the Lord in the Clouds for the rapture is not Revelation 19. That's a different event. But the events that depict both of the rapture evidence passages most commonly used.... are shown in Revelation 6, and Revelation 14.. both of which are referring to the middle of the tribulations, but before the wrath of God. Note that Matthew 24's description is NOTHING LIKE Revelation 19's return on a white horse WITH his saints.
The pre-trib rapture timing verse is 2 Thes.2 "He who restrains shall be taken out of the way and then the lawless one shall be revealed." That explicitly states that the Church will not go through the Tribulation.
we've already been over how that's a bad interpretation of the one who restrains. Because just a few verses up, Paul says that the day that Jesus gathers us to Him won't happen until after the man of sin is revealed, which takes place at the abomination of desolation, which is either at the beginning of, or middle of the great tribulations depending on how you want to define tribulations, if you include the 4 horsemen okay that's fine, but the way Jesus had it they start after the AoD. Either way, the AoD precedes the rapture according to Jesus and according to Paul, and from John's visions in Revelation, it seems to happen before the rapture there too.
The Church is not mentioned in the Tribulation. Only saints. The word Church is used only up to the end of Rev.3. Rev.4 begins with the open door that John is called up to heaven. To witness all that happens there, and from there sees what happens on the earth.
John was called up to heaven, but that doesn't mean pre trib rapture. I've already pointed out that John only refers to the church or churches regarding the 7 specific churches he was writing letters to. But not to refer to all believers in Christ. Those he just refers to as saints or servants.
The short days are the 30 days that follow 1260 to make 1290, and the 75 days to result in 1335.
Another way to interpret "short days" is the last 3.5 years rather than there being 7 years of Great Tribulation.
It's hard to guess exact dates, we know a few dates for specific things, but not the rapture, or the length of the great tribulation itself.
We know that there's a 70th week, but not all of it is great tribulations, there's the 7 years, but again, not all of it is tribulation
Daniel 8 gives us that from the start of daily sacrifices to the cleansing of the sanctuary is 2300 days. That's a little over 6 years, so some time in the first year of the 70th week will be daily sacrifices.
Daniel 12 gives us that after the daily sacrifices stop and the abomination of desolation happen, there will be 1290 days, until what, we don't know Maybe the sanctuary being cleansed but it is not explicitly specified.
It also gives us 1335 days, from what, we don't know, we just know there's a blessing at the end of it. It's speculation to try and have it be referenced to any event since it doesn't say 1335 days from the abomination of desolation. It's the best guess we can have possibly, but it is a guess.
Revelation gives 1260 days for the 2 witnesses, but we don't know from the exact event of when they'd start prophesizing. I'm not sure that I want to claim in chronological order that there is 1260 days between the 6th and 7th trumpet. I'd guess they started their ministry roughly around the abomination of desolation, within 30 days after it. It'd line up. But not 100% on that.
all I know is that the days get shortened, I don't think Christians are to endure 1290 days. We'll endure at least 10 though if you want to consider the letters to the churches to be instructions for end time believers.
But there is no mention of a resurrection or of a rapture at all in Rev.19 at the Second Coming. Not either explicit or even a hint of. Because the pre-trib resurrection and rapture already took place before the lawless one could be revealed. There is another at the midpoint of the Tribulation resurrection and rapture of the two witnesses in Rev.11.
already explained your mistake of revelation 19. It's Revelation 6 and 14 you want to look at.
Those line up with the rapture. If you still doubt, look at Revelation 7.
That is a way to offer an erroneous private reinterpretation why the word Church is no longer used after the end of Rev.3. The Biblical reason is because the Church was/will be raptured before 6:1 when the lawless one arrives.
again John doesn't use the word church to refer to all the believers in the world. He only uses it for specific churches, or a group of specific churches.
If there was a pre trib Rapture Paul and Jesus wouldn't specifically point out that the abomination of desolation takes place before the rapture, and it wouldn't have to be inferred it would just be explicit.
