Can the Dietary Law Get You Cut Off From God

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I notice you didn't post all the verses, allow me to. Let's go into Mark 7: 17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; 19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. Since you didn't post the full conversation Jesus was saying, I feel like you trying to deceive me. This conversation have nothing to do with food at all! Jesus is talking about condition of sin.
First I can see quite clearly. Using extremely large font does not make what you say any more correct.
And you do exactly what you criticize me for. Please address what I posted NOT what I did not post.
Mark said "Do you not yet perceive that ...thus he declared all foods to be clean?” vs. 19
If you want I can use giant font size so you can see this.
If a person is eating only kosher food it would not be necessary for Jesus to make anything clean. vs. 19
Were you to do a word study on the word translated "clean" the primary meaning is "clean."
See vss. I quoted from the Eastern Greek Orthodox NT translation. The EOT is available free online if you want the link. But I have observed a lot of folks choose versions which support their assumptions/presuppositions.
 
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First I can see quite clearly. Using extremely large font does not make what you say any more correct.
And you do exactly what you criticize me for. Please address what I posted NOT what I did not post.
Mark said "Do you not yet perceive that ...thus he declared all foods to be clean?” vs. 19
If you want I can use giant font size so you can see this.
If a person is eating only kosher food it would not be necessary for Jesus to make anything clean. vs. 19
Were you to do a word study on the word translated "clean" the primary meaning is "clean."
See vss. I quoted from the Eastern Greek Orthodox NT translation. The EOT is available free online if you want the link. But I have observed a lot of folks choose versions which support their assumptions/presuppositions.
Actually I do prefer large front, better for my eyes. Again this is not talking about food, but let's read it again....Mark 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? Here is a example of how the Lord speaks using different analogies making a point. Let's go into Revelation 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

This is not talking about food, but yet we see words like sweet honey, bitter, belly, eaten. Notice verse 11, it explain exactly what John must do and all of what that is about.

Now...Let's go back to Mark 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 T
hefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. The last verse sum the conversation up. It's very clear Jesus is talking about sin here. The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6)

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
 
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Those who waste their days saying "Don't taste", "Don't drink", and "Don't touch" are engaging in nothing more than spiritual masturbation

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Almost quoted that in my signature, good one.
 
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Acts 21 "25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. 26Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them."

Just dont fornicate or drink blood or eat anything strangled and you will be fine. And give money to the orphans and widows who need it. This is the religion God likes. Have faith in the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation.
 
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Lets take a look at what Isaiah says in the future.....

For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind,
to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. (Isaiah 66:15-17) The Lord says' by the mouth of Isaiah that those that eat swine's flesh (pork) shall be consumed.

That's OT.
When the Hebrew slaves were rescued from Egypt by God he gave them his word and made a covenant with them.
Exodus 21:1 - these are the laws you are to set before THEM.
Leviticus 1:1-2 - speak to the Israelites and say to THEM
Leviticus 17:1 - speak to Aaron ... and to the Israelites and say to THEM
Leviticus 20:1 - say to the Israelites
Deuteronomy 5:1 - Hear O Israel
Deuteronomy 5:2 - the Lord made a covenant with US at Horeb.
Deuteronomy 16:1 - observe the month of Abib ..... because he Brought YOU out of Egypt.
Joshua 24:6 - when I brought your fathers out of Egypt.
There are many other verses that make it clear the the Lord rescued the Hebrews from Egypt and made a covenant with them; those he had saved.

I am not Jewish, nor do I have Jewish ancestors. We were not rescued from slavery in Egypt; that event is not part of my heritage.
I am a female, Gentile Christian, who has been saved from death and slavery to sin by the Lord Jesus; my Saviour and Lord. He died for my sins on the cross, has reconciled me to God, given me eternal life and made me his child.

Are you seriously saying that someone who trusts in the Son of God for salvation will be condemned to hell for eating a bacon sandwich?

These individuals that receive the Lord's vengeance know Him not and obey not the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. The dietary law is part of the commandments.

Jesus did not tell Gentiles who believed in him to follow the Jewish law.
Jesus did not say "whoever believes in me and keeps the OT law will have eternal life".
Jesus did not say "no one comes to the Father except by obeying the Jewish law".
Jesus did not say "no one can snatch the from my hands - unless they fail to obey the Jewish law."

Jesus DID say "nothing that goes into the mouth can make a person unclean", Mark 7:15. This is what the Apostles also taught; Romans 14:17, 1 Corinthians 8:8.
 
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"Can the Dietary Law Get You Cut Off From God"?

No, that was the old Covenant, Christians under the New Covenant have no dietary laws except to abstain from blood and meat of strangled animals (would be hard to find in the west)

Acts 15:20

20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.

The only other time is if what we are eating causes a brother or sister in Christ to stumble.

1 Corinthians 8
4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols? 11 So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12 When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall.

If you wish to keep dietary laws is your own affair. I won't judge you for it because if something is unclean to you it is unclean.
Romans 14:14
I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.

But it is wrong to judge others by your own standards. What they eat has nothing to do with you, unless it is causing you to stumble.
Romans 14:3
The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.

What people eat is between them and the Lord.
Romans 14:6
Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
 
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Who gave Moses "The Dietary Law"? We will do a strange work which is seldom done today. We will allow the scripture to be our guide to answer that question, along with a few others that need to be addressed. After finding out who gave this law to Moses, we should have no problem following it, if we call ourselves Christians. Remember brothers and sisters Jesus, states in Matthew 5 and verse 18, "For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." We still have the heavens and the earth, correct? Those things indicate that the Lord's law still remains in tact. Those that read the Bible know that all has not been fulfilled, so His laws and statutes must be kept. In addition, we must also look at verses that some individuals think the subject in that particular verse or chapter is dealing with the "Dietary Law" when in fact has nothing to do with it. Those individuals try to uses Paul's writings to come to that conclusion. (As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. II Peter 3:16) The unquestionable fact is that the law of sacrifice was nailed to the cross, which was our schoolmaster to bring us onto Christ. Now, let’s see who gave the "Dietary Law" to Moses and the rest of the Children of Israel.

And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them, “Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, these are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.” (Leviticus 11:1-2)

So, who spoke unto Moses and Aaron? The LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying, "These are the beasts which ye shall eat." Was this the Father? Well, let's allow the book show us. Take a Look at this verse in St. John chapter one.

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (John 1:18)

Note the verse says, "No man hath seen God at any time." Therefore, that covers all time correct. If no man has seen God at anytime who is this?

And he said unto Moses, “Come up unto the LORD, thou, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel; and worship ye afar off.” (Exodus 24:1)

We see in the above verse, Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu and seventy of the elders were told to come up unto the Lord and worship. Let's skip to the 9th verse and see what happen when these 74 Israelites arrive on top of the mount.

Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink. (Exodus 24:9-11)

Clearly the verse states, "They saw the God of Israel." The verse doesn't say it was a vision. But, St. John chapter one states, "No man has seen God at anytime.” Before we return to the Book of John and find out which God no man has seen at anytime, note what the next verse states.

And the LORD said unto Moses, “Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.” (Exodus 24:12)

So who wrote the Law that Moses was instructed to teach? The LORD! Now, let's find out which God is it that has not been seen. Take note!

And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. (John 5:37)

So who wrote the Law that Moses was instructed to teach? The LORD!

Now, let us find out which God is it that has not been seen. Take note!

And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. (John 5:37)

So, who is the God that hasn't been seen? The Father himself, ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. Now, let's see who this God is that the seventy four elders saw in mount Horeb. Let us go to I Corinthians the tenth chapter and start at verse one.

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. (I Corinthians 10:1-4)

So, who was the God in the Mountain that gave Moses the Law? That God was CHRIST! Let's return to the fifth chapter of John and see who's name Christ came in.

I am come in my Father's name and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. (John 5:43)

So, you see brothers and sister “Jesus” in the Fathers name. I would be real careful when it comes to the name of Jesus. Now we see that Jesus Christ is the God that gave the commandments to Moses. We should have no problem doing what He says if we call ourselves followers of Christ.


If you read Matthew 5 carefully you can see that the "law" will pass at some point. Now the question is has it passed already? I strongly suggest that it has. Jesus Christ of Nazareth proclaimed the fulfillment of the law prophesied through the prophets. The new covenant brought us into a new heart and understanding of the law which is now written in our hearts. Be blessed,
 
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So, you see brothers and sister “Jesus” in the Fathers name. I would be real careful when it comes to the name of Jesus. Now we see that Jesus Christ is the God that gave the commandments to Moses. We should have no problem doing what He says if we call ourselves followers of Christ.

Amen and notice this -- in Hebrews 8:6-12 we are told that it is Jesus speaking at Sinai
 
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Actually I do prefer large front, better for my eyes. Again this is not talking about food, but let's read it again....Mark 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? Here is a example of how the Lord speaks using different analogies making a point. Let's go into Revelation 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

This is not talking about food, but yet we see words like sweet honey, bitter, belly, eaten. Notice verse 11, it explain exactly what John must do and all of what that is about.

Now...Let's go back to Mark 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 T
hefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. The last verse sum the conversation up. It's very clear Jesus is talking about sin here. The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6)

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Since you refuse to address my post and keep repeating your argument over and over and over there is no point in continuing.
You, as with virtually all heterodox religious groups, cherry pick versions which support your assumptions/presuppositions while ignoring the fact that I quoted from the Eastern Greek Orthodox NT. Greek is now and for 2000+ years has been the language of the EOG. Who better than the native Greek speaking scholars know the correct translation of the Greek NT.
 
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Since you refuse to address my post and keep repeating your argument over and over and over there is no point in continuing.
You, as with virtually all heterodox religious groups, cherry pick versions which support your assumptions/presuppositions while ignoring the fact that I quoted from the Eastern Greek Orthodox NT. Greek is now and for 2000+ years has been the language of the EOG. Who better than the native Greek speaking scholars know the correct translation of the Greek NT.

My friend...I use the original KJV, when King James had the Bible translated he appointed 54 scholars to do the work instead of religious people. This made it possible for him to change the form, from Hebrew and Greek to English, without changing the meaning. In other words he made the Bible say the exact same thing, only in another language. This in itself was a fulfillment of prophecy, "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people" (Isaiah 28:11). Today it's all english, no need for english translation to english, read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and pray for understanding. Talking about greek Eastern Orthodox NT., KJV it's just side tracking the point. Understand this because its future...

For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. (Isaiah 66:15-17) The Lord says' by the mouth of Isaiah that those that eat swine's flesh (pork) shall be consumed.

Just in case we have forgotten who this Lord is, let us go to II Thessalonians chapter one, and start at the sixth verse and we will see that it is Jesus that Isaiah is referring to and not the Father.

Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; (II Thessalonians 1:6-9)

Note what the eighth verse states, "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God." Paul was quoting Isaiah the 66th chapter and the 15th verse, where it states, "For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire." These individuals that receive the Lord's vengeance know Him not and obey not the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. The dietary law is part of the commandments.
 
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My friend...I use the original KJV, when King James had the Bible translated he appointed 54 scholars to do the work instead of religious people. This made it possible for him to change the form, from Hebrew and Greek to English, without changing the meaning. In other words he made the Bible say the exact same thing, only in another language. This in itself was a fulfillment of prophecy, "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people" (Isaiah 28:11). Today it's all english, no need for english translation to english, read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and pray for understanding. Talking about greek Eastern Orthodox NT., KJV it's just side tracking the point. Understand this because its future...

For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. (Isaiah 66:15-17) The Lord says' by the mouth of Isaiah that those that eat swine's flesh (pork) shall be consumed.

Just in case we have forgotten who this Lord is, let us go to II Thessalonians chapter one, and start at the sixth verse and we will see that it is Jesus that Isaiah is referring to and not the Father.

Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; (II Thessalonians 1:6-9)

Note what the eighth verse states, "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God." Paul was quoting Isaiah the 66th chapter and the 15th verse, where it states, "For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire." These individuals that receive the Lord's vengeance know Him not and obey not the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. The dietary law is part of the commandments.

I do agree with the KJV being divine in nature and the true and only bible for english speakers. Nevertheless If you want to obey the levitacal you should do all the 613 commanments. James already made it clear you only have three dietary laws. You should focus in the things that are real religion such as giving food and shelter to the widows and orphans. I have no bias since I dont personally dont eat meat, I dont believe this gives me any favor in the judgement seat of Christ.
 
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If you read Matthew 5 carefully you can see that the "law" will pass at some point. Now the question is has it passed already? I strongly suggest that it has. Jesus Christ of Nazareth proclaimed the fulfillment of the law prophesied through the prophets. The new covenant brought us into a new heart and understanding of the law which is now written in our hearts. Be blessed,
Would be a blessing if you provide some scriptures to go with that. Jesus says... Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-19)
Now, if the Jesus said think not that I came to destroy the law, lets reason together, what do destroy mean; to take away, etc, right. So that simply means that the law is still on the table and the prophets. Jesus couldn't destroy the prophet because he had to fulfilled
all of what the prophets wrote about jesus and what he had to do.

First of all, all is not fulfilled, let's look at this again

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Let's take a look and see when the heaven and earth will pass. Revelation 6: 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

This is the time when heaven and earth will begin passing a way. But let's read it from the first prophet who wrote about this event. Let's go into Daniel 7:
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. Lets read this event one more time in the new testament in Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Now let's fast forward to the future....Lets go into Revelation 21: 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city,
new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. There's still more Jesus have to fulfill by the prophets.
 
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That's OT.
When the Hebrew slaves were rescued from Egypt by God he gave them his word and made a covenant with them.
Exodus 21:1 - these are the laws you are to set before THEM.
Leviticus 1:1-2 - speak to the Israelites and say to THEM
Leviticus 17:1 - speak to Aaron ... and to the Israelites and say to THEM
Leviticus 20:1 - say to the Israelites
Deuteronomy 5:1 - Hear O Israel
Deuteronomy 5:2 - the Lord made a covenant with US at Horeb.
Deuteronomy 16:1 - observe the month of Abib ..... because he Brought YOU out of Egypt.
Joshua 24:6 - when I brought your fathers out of Egypt.
There are many other verses that make it clear the the Lord rescued the Hebrews from Egypt and made a covenant with them; those he had saved.

I am not Jewish, nor do I have Jewish ancestors. We were not rescued from slavery in Egypt; that event is not part of my heritage.
I am a female, Gentile Christian, who has been saved from death and slavery to sin by the Lord Jesus; my Saviour and Lord. He died for my sins on the cross, has reconciled me to God, given me eternal life and made me his child.

Are you seriously saying that someone who trusts in the Son of God for salvation will be condemned to hell for eating a bacon sandwich?



Jesus did not tell Gentiles who believed in him to follow the Jewish law.
Jesus did not say "whoever believes in me and keeps the OT law will have eternal life".
Jesus did not say "no one comes to the Father except by obeying the Jewish law".
Jesus did not say "no one can snatch the from my hands - unless they fail to obey the Jewish law."

Jesus DID say "nothing that goes into the mouth can make a person unclean", Mark 7:15. This is what the Apostles also taught; Romans 14:17, 1 Corinthians 8:8.

Well lets take a look at what Paul says in (Ephesians 2:11-22) let’s look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

Sorry pal but if you reading this Bible and being Baptised in the name of Jesus and keeping the passover and following the rest of laws that are required, you are in this new covenant.

Now, Paul said in Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious,
and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.














 
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I do agree with the KJV being divine in nature and the true and only bible for english speakers. Nevertheless If you want to obey the levitacal you should do all the 613 commanments. James already made it clear you only have three dietary laws. You should focus in the things that are real religion such as giving food and shelter to the widows and orphans. I have no bias since I dont personally dont eat meat, I dont believe this gives me any favor in the judgement seat of Christ.

I never spoke about 613 commandments or mention the levitical priesthood laws. My friend please don't overlook what your eyes are seeing, when I post you scriptures that is concrete. I understand and know that all the laws concerning the Levitical priesthood are nail to the cross. The dietary law however is still to be observed to this day.

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:46-47)

So, if you call yourself a New Testament Christian, and don't read and believe Moses' writings, how can you believe in Jesus? This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten. Leviticus 11:46-47 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (Leviticus 11:44)
 
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Yes:

Leviticus 11:43
Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.

Ephesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Messiah and of God.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

eating unclean animals is a work of the flesh
 
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Acts 21 "25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. 26Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them."

Just dont fornicate or drink blood or eat anything strangled and you will be fine. And give money to the orphans and widows who need it. This is the religion God likes. Have faith in the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation.


Pay attention to other things Paul says...For example Paul said in 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Let continue with Paul. Let go into Galatians 5: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Now lets understand and reason together, Paul just gave us a run down on condition of sins. People who are behaving in such manner will not inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God, even those who are unclean. Being unclean does not mean a person doesn’t wash up, we are not talking about soap and water. We are talking about defiling the body, with unholiness or unGodliness.
 
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I never spoke about 613 commandments or mention the levitical priesthood laws. My friend please don't overlook what your eyes are seeing, when I post you scriptures that is concrete. I understand and know that all the laws concerning the Levitical priesthood are nail to the cross. The dietary law however is still to be observed to this day.

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:46-47)

So, if you call yourself a New Testament Christian, and don't read and believe Moses' writings, how can you believe in Jesus? This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten. Leviticus 11:46-47 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (Leviticus 11:44)

Im pretty Im obeying the great majority of those laws, I live in celibacy and am a vegeterian. Nevertheless this doesnt take what James says. He was along side with Timothy very legalistic in what faith means, nevertheless he mentions only three restrictions for the gentiles when eating meat.
 
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Pay attention to other things Paul says...For example Paul said in 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Let continue with Paul. Let go into Galatians 5: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Now lets understand and reason together, Paul just gave us a run down on condition of sins. People who are behaving in such manner will not inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God, even those who are unclean. Being unclean does not mean a person doesn’t wash up, we are not talking about soap and water. We are talking about defiling the body, with unholiness or unGodliness.

Im cover in the blood of the lamb, nothing can make me unclean or my spirit has any sin since all of it is wash. The only way to deny your faith by actions, is by denying the needs of the body Christ not taking care of your brothers. Such as James and Timothy points out. Putting your desires in the matters of earth instead of the things above.
 
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I agree with that. We should not eat anything unclean. However, it may be that some things that previously were unclean, are not unclean anymore and therefore they are not against the law.

A voice came to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed, you must not call unclean."
Acts. 10:15

But, if you think something is unclean, don’t eat it. And if you obey God’s rules, do it because you love Him, not because you try to earn something by doing so.

And I think it is also good to know this:

….until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat. 5:17-19

Person could still be in Kingdom of Heaven, even if he has not done everything according to the law.

I just want to point out something from Acts, where Acts 10:15 DOES seem to call clean a few more animals, it does not make EVERY animal clean.
Let's take note
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Note that things that do not have 4 feet are not part of this cleaning. That is primates, and bats, for starters.
People ate primates, and we have HIV.
People ate bats, and they're big carriers of disease too including Covid19.
I'd also say that shellfish are still probably not considered clean.
But this does make pork clean.
 
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