Will the Beast rise from the sea on February 23, 2021?

Psalm 27 · Sep 5, 2020

solid_core said:
Not even close. The USA have never been the leader of the world and they are already falling down and internally weak/divided.

There is currently no global leader in the world (and never has been). There are several very strong blocks - USA, EU, China, India, Russia, Brasil, Muslim countries - and many strong countries with significant influence on the world (e.g. Japan or S. Korea).

It is not technically possible in this century to have a total dominion over all people in the world. And there is no movement to this direction, at all.

But if you base your expectations on "astronomy"... then you can believe whatever you want, of course.

I said ‘almost’ as in power, but Thank-you for allowing me to believe whatever I want. You’re very gracious sir!

wisdompersonified · Sep 5, 2020

Psalm 27 said:
V. Interesting. I noticed the astronomy sign on sept 2017, and expecting something to take place in mar 2021. (What if a world leader survived covid?) or will it be a definite ‘deadly wound’ The Bible says it will, so..
If trump wins?? USA is almost ‘the’ global leader already, but let’s see what happens in uk or even Europe.
Israel is obviously the main ‘man’ to keep an eye on in Biblical terms.
Nice to see you, to see you nice

That's an interesting thought.

I asked would the deadly wound be because of Covid. I think it will be an assasination attempt because it says he was wounded by the sword.

When I did think of Covid, I thought about Boris Johnson.

He almost died from Covid and if there was some kind of catastrophe that happened in the U.S., would the U.K. rejoin the E.U. to for a powerful block against Russia or the Revived Roman Empire that some talk about.

So the deadly wound would be Brexit.

I think the deadly wound will be an assasination attempt but during these times it's good just to stay vigilant and open to different possibilities.

The Agreement is in place. I believe the Abraham Accords will be the final agreement. I don't think Trump is the antichrist but it says in Daniel 9:27 that he will confirm the agreement.

Confirm in this context means to strengthen. So whoever he is, he will sign on to the agreement and make it stronger. So this would be a Muslim Country. He could also come from a place like Russia and strengthen the agreement. Trump said today that more Countries want to join in on the agreement.

So when he signs on and confirms the agreement, he will be seen as a friend to Israel.

solid_core · Sep 5, 2020

wisdompersonified said:
That's an interesting thought.

I asked would the deadly wound be because of Covid. I think it will be an assasination attempt because it says he was wounded by the sword.

When I did think of Covid, I thought about Boris Johnson.

He almost died from Covid and if there was some kind of catastrophe that happened in the U.S., would the U.K. rejoin the E.U. to for a powerful block against Russia or the Revived Roman Empire that some talk about.

So the deadly wound would be Brexit.

I think the deadly wound will be an assasination attempt but during these times it's good just to stay vigilant and open to different possibilities.

The Agreement is in place. I believe the Abraham Accords will be the final agreement. I don't think Trump is the antichrist but it says in Daniel 9:27 that he will confirm the agreement.

Confirm in this context means to strengthen. So whoever he is, he will sign on to the agreement and make it stronger. So this would be a Muslim Country. He could also come from a place like Russia and strengthen the agreement. Trump said today that more Countries want to join in on the agreement.

So when he signs on and confirms the agreement, he will be seen as a friend to Israel.

You have a lot of imagination, I give you that.

Original Happy Camper · Sep 5, 2020

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Let the bible explain it self.

Isaiah 28:10
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

here is a symbol chart of the bible with scriptural support

Bible Symbols Chart

Example

Angel
Messenger
Daniel 8:16; 9:21; Luke 1:19,26; Hebrews 1:14

Ark of Testimony
Ark of the covenant/mercy seat where God dwells
Exodus 25:10-22; Psalms 80:1

Babylon
Religious apostasy/confusion
Genesis 10:8-10; 11:6-9; Revelation 18:2-3; 17:1-5

Balaam,
Doctrine of Advancing our own interests, compromise, idolatry Numbers 22:5-25

Beast
Kingdom, government, political power
Daniel 7:23

Arc F1 · Sep 5, 2020

wisdompersonified said:
Leave the Book of Revelation alone? Why would a Christian leave the Book of Revelation alone?

Jesus said in Matthew 16:3 we're supposed to know the signs of the times.

Jesus said no man knows the hour or date of His Coming but the Father. I didn't speculate about anything. I didn't say anything would happen on February 23 like the Rapture, or Jesus return or an earthquake or anything.

I said Satan and the fallen ones will be cast down to earth and they will either began to reveal themselves or inhabit the leaders and work through them to reveal this name of blasphemy.

The Bible tells us to be prepared and how can we be prepared if we leave the Book of Revelation alone?

The Bible tells us that it's this name of blasphemy that will send people to hell. When this name is revealed and people take on this name there's no chance of redemption.

Again, where did I speculate?

Did the Bible say that Satan and the fallen ones will be cast down to earth?

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Did the Bible say that the Beast will have 7 heads with the name of blasphemy?

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Did the Bible say one of these heads will receive a deadly wound?

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

I said I didn't know who this leader was but if you're alive when this happens, this will be the leader of the fallen ones with the name of blasphemy that will send people to hell. The Bible says:

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

I believe Satan and the fallen ones will be cast down and they will use the 7 heads of the beast to reveal this name of blasphemy.

As Christians, we should never leave the Book of Revelation alone. You may not know all of the truth or have all of the answers but God may use you to plant a seed that grows in another Brother or Sister in Christ.

For instance God could reveal to me about the 7 heads and the name of blasphemy. Another Brother or Sister in Christ reads this and then God reveals to them who these 7 heads are.

So you shouldn't leave the Book of Revelation alone because all of the truth may not be revealed to you.

At the end of the day, I just want people who are still alive when it happens to know what's taking place when one of these 7 heads receives the deadly wound. This is the antichrist and anyone who takes his blasphemous name will burn in the lake of fire.

A lot of us can feel it. I don't know anything about actual dates but around the beginning of last year 2019 something changed for me. As I told family and friends they all just laughed. I told them something was wrong and I was having dreams and the feeling that something bad was coming. From then on I just kept it to myself.

BrotherD · Sep 5, 2020

wisdompersonified said:
First off, I'm not saying the date and time that Christ will return. I just believe that Satan and the Fallen Ones will be cast down to earth around the end of February. At this point, I don't know what will happen next but I do think Satan and these fallen ones will reveal themselves or inhabit the bodies of leaders already in power.

Why do I say February 23rd?

First, I looked at Revelation 12.

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

This always sounded like an Astronomical sign to me. So I looked to see if this alignment happened recently.

It did on September 23, 2017.

Google Image Result for https://escapeallthesethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/maxresdefault-996x560.jpg

This war lasts 1260 days or around 3.5 years. Then Satan and the fallen ones will be cast down to earth.

Revelation 12

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

This is when the Beast will rise from the sea.

This is February 23, 2021. Three and a half years after September 23, 2017. There's something else I noticed that I didn't notice before.

Revelation 13

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

I always thought it said names of blasphemy for some reason but the singular name of blasphemy shook me to the core.

I now realize there will be a name of blasphemy. This will be Satan's name revealed or some other name but whoever takes on this name of blasphemy will be thrown into the lake of fire with satan and the fallen ones.

These 7 heads will be fallen ones and they will either reveal themselves or inhabit 7 leaders. They will work with 10 human kings.

One of these 7 leaders will receive a deadly wound that will be healed. This is their leader and this is the antichrist.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Realize it says "one of it's heads." The Beast isn't wounded which is made up of 7 heads and 10 horns but one of it's heads is wounded. Whoevever this leader is, he will be the leader of the fallen ones.

So around Februrary, March, April or May there will be an assassination attempt on one of these 7 leaders and he will survive and the tribulation will begin.

I don't know who these 7 leaders will be but when this happens, if you're still here on earth, you will know. You will also know who the false prophet is.

I believe this is dire. The name of blaphemy hasn't been revealed so it's time to tell as many people as you can to come out of this world now.

When you take on this name of blasphemy there's no hope for you. You will be thrown into the lake of fire. Satan and the fallen ones will try to get as many people as they can to accept this name of blasphemy because they know their time is short.

I realize now that most of Revelation hasn't happened yet. It starts after satan and the fallen ones are cast out of Heaven down to earth.

Will it be a Pope? Will it be a President and Vice President? Will it be leaders in the Middle East? I don't know.

There will be 7 heads with the name of blasphemy and one of these heads will be their leader and receive a deadly wound.

First one must ask what a beast is. Remember that no scripture is of private interpretation so one must do as the bible teaches, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little. A beast according to the book of Daniel:

Daniel 7:19,23
[19]Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
[23]Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Now what is a sea in bible prophecy:

Revelation 17:1,15
[1]And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters:
[15]And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

BrotherD · Sep 5, 2020

Original Happy Camper said:
2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Let the bible explain it self.

Isaiah 28:10
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

here is a symbol chart of the bible with scriptural support

Bible Symbols Chart

Example

Angel
Messenger
Daniel 8:16; 9:21; Luke 1:19,26; Hebrews 1:14

Ark of Testimony
Ark of the covenant/mercy seat where God dwells
Exodus 25:10-22; Psalms 80:1

Babylon
Religious apostasy/confusion
Genesis 10:8-10; 11:6-9; Revelation 18:2-3; 17:1-5

Balaam,
Doctrine of Advancing our own interests, compromise, idolatry Numbers 22:5-25

Beast
Kingdom, government, political power
Daniel 7:23

I didn't see this before i posted similarly. Yes we should let the bible interpret itself and that is why all interpretations apart from the word of God fails. When we read a scripture we must always ask who, what, when, where, or why? Failing to understand the symbols leads tp false interpertations. Thank you and good post.

Dave L · Sep 5, 2020

wisdompersonified said:
First off, I'm not saying the date and time that Christ will return. I just believe that Satan and the Fallen Ones will be cast down to earth around the end of February. At this point, I don't know what will happen next but I do think Satan and these fallen ones will reveal themselves or inhabit the bodies of leaders already in power.

Why do I say February 23rd?

First, I looked at Revelation 12.

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

This always sounded like an Astronomical sign to me. So I looked to see if this alignment happened recently.

It did on September 23, 2017.

Google Image Result for https://escapeallthesethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/maxresdefault-996x560.jpg

This war lasts 1260 days or around 3.5 years. Then Satan and the fallen ones will be cast down to earth.

Revelation 12

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

This is when the Beast will rise from the sea.

This is February 23, 2021. Three and a half years after September 23, 2017. There's something else I noticed that I didn't notice before.

Revelation 13

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

I always thought it said names of blasphemy for some reason but the singular name of blasphemy shook me to the core.

I now realize there will be a name of blasphemy. This will be Satan's name revealed or some other name but whoever takes on this name of blasphemy will be thrown into the lake of fire with satan and the fallen ones.

These 7 heads will be fallen ones and they will either reveal themselves or inhabit 7 leaders. They will work with 10 human kings.

One of these 7 leaders will receive a deadly wound that will be healed. This is their leader and this is the antichrist.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Realize it says "one of it's heads." The Beast isn't wounded which is made up of 7 heads and 10 horns but one of it's heads is wounded. Whoevever this leader is, he will be the leader of the fallen ones.

So around Februrary, March, April or May there will be an assassination attempt on one of these 7 leaders and he will survive and the tribulation will begin.

I don't know who these 7 leaders will be but when this happens, if you're still here on earth, you will know. You will also know who the false prophet is.

I believe this is dire. The name of blaphemy hasn't been revealed so it's time to tell as many people as you can to come out of this world now.

When you take on this name of blasphemy there's no hope for you. You will be thrown into the lake of fire. Satan and the fallen ones will try to get as many people as they can to accept this name of blasphemy because they know their time is short.

I realize now that most of Revelation hasn't happened yet. It starts after satan and the fallen ones are cast out of Heaven down to earth.

Will it be a Pope? Will it be a President and Vice President? Will it be leaders in the Middle East? I don't know.

There will be 7 heads with the name of blasphemy and one of these heads will be their leader and receive a deadly wound.

Revelation is about things that shortly come to pass. Not thousands of years later.

Psalm 27 · Sep 5, 2020

wisdompersonified said:
That's an interesting thought.

I asked would the deadly wound be because of Covid. I think it will be an assasination attempt because it says he was wounded by the sword.

When I did think of Covid, I thought about Boris Johnson.

He almost died from Covid and if there was some kind of catastrophe that happened in the U.S., would the U.K. rejoin the E.U. to for a powerful block against Russia or the Revived Roman Empire that some talk about.

So the deadly wound would be Brexit.

I think the deadly wound will be an assasination attempt but during these times it's good just to stay vigilant and open to different possibilities.

The Agreement is in place. I believe the Abraham Accords will be the final agreement. I don't think Trump is the antichrist but it says in Daniel 9:27 that he will confirm the agreement.

Confirm in this context means to strengthen. So whoever he is, he will sign on to the agreement and make it stronger. So this would be a Muslim Country. He could also come from a place like Russia and strengthen the agreement. Trump said today that more Countries want to join in on the agreement.

So when he signs on and confirms the agreement, he will be seen as a friend to Israel.

Agreed. And did you notice that recently signed a peace agreement and trump gave his support/blessing

WhoIsLikeGod? · Sep 5, 2020

solid_core said:
Because the beast was Nero, all such future predictions will fail.

There may be some similarities between evil people throughout history (Hitler, Stalin, various dictators and anti-christian leaders), but there is no specific eschatology about our future.

I'm assuming that's because "Nero Caesar" can be calculated as 666, but did you know that the beast whose name is calculated as 666 will make an image to the beast who was wounded, and yet lived? That beast, the one who was wounded, and yet lived, is the antichrist, and specifically the eighth head. Nero has nothing to do with a method of payment.

Additionally, there have been other persecutions and martyrs, including the Diocletianic Persecution of the 4th century.

Diocletianic Persecution - Wikipedia

Since you think Nero was the beast, what other "heads" do you believe went along with him? Please be specific as to what beast you think he was.

Kolbrin · Sep 5, 2020

sometimes there is no straight answer...............
(5/21/2011 = Harold Camping, has been officially resolved = "authenticated biblically")
(9/23/2017 = Harold Camping 9/28/1994 to 9/23/2017 = 23 years for 2300 of Daniel)
(People don't believe in legal evidences anymore, facts or the bible, so the associations are not important)
(I've stated that sometimes there is no straight answer)

Harold Camping went from "Independance of Jerusalem 1948" + 77 Years for 77 Genealogy of Luke to "1994" + 23 Years/2300 Daniel to 9/23/2017 (9/23/2017, the middle of 1290 and 1335 of Daniel from Flight 370 on 3/8/2014 APPROXIMATELY)

(That is Approximately)

The Theory you have for .... February 23, 2021 is @@@@@@@@@@@@ the Middle of "1260 and 1260" Days ........ we said that ..............

1. 9/23/2017 was the middle of "1290 and 1335" Days, approximately, from "Missing Flight 370" (Middle of Seven Years)
2. February 23, 2021, is the middle of "1260 and 1260" Days, approximately (Middle of Seven Years)

..........
..........

The Answer is, (1290 and 1335) Deals with the Son of Man's Resolution ............ where as (1260 and 1260) Deals with this Earth................we said the Rainbow disputed in revelation (ring around this earth and dead flesh) (MIDDLE of Seven Years) ................ (not the resolution of the Son of Man's Testimony, around 12/21/2020 @ Jupiter's Great Conjunction)

The argument is legal, we just have to wait, the date of February 23, 2021 is valid, and god either will act or not act. (remember that, God appears to do nothing in revelation or nothing much, "jesus not in the tomb", for this earth in disputing "dead flesh" (noah's rainbow/unified field) (Jupiter and Not Earth, God ignores Earth for Dead Flesh, is one valid conclusion)

..........
..........

(off topic) (February 23, 2021 .... is not invalid, does not seem as valid .... there is no specific worldwide sign from god like "missing flight 370" or etc. tied directly to it) (anything could happen 1260 days from February 23, 2021 ... that is not the point, everything will be resolved before that time, its authenticity will be no longer credible)

A question about "666"? Remember Jesus was wounded and lived, he even returned so people could see his wounds, like was stated, biblical facts are sometimes not important so I will give another answer.

636 or 666, are both accurate and biblically true. Meaning that God doubles his figures and measurements .............. just like "1290 and 1335" ........ is doubled with "1260 and 1260" ......... God sometimes measures one length like "Seven Years" more then one time, that means 2300 of Daniel can also be seen as "Seven Years".

.......
.......

Jesus the Temple Crucified = 1 Measurement
Temple in Jerusalem Destroyed = 1 Measurement

These measurements are doubled, God sometimes doubles his judgement..............when you see "1290 and 1335", and then "1260 and 1260", then something is doubled, both having seven year markers or etc.

636 or 666 ................. God paid for the sin of people and God allowed the rest to wrestle for salvation .......... that is about 2/3rd's a figure, it can be used numerically, but that is like we said, sometimes not the answer god has in view.

(instead) Some people will die, and go to the could with God, in OPEN SHAME, THEY JUST DIE, and those left behind, will strive to receive the new heavens and new earth in the new universe.

(the correct answer is relating to the "unified field" and dead flesh, for 636/666 as illustrated by jesus himself, the natural function of the human body, or god's allowances for the unified field, so there is a lapse in education for a proper answer, but god has a parabolic answer) (everything will be resolved 12/21/2020 perhaps with nothing at all taking place)

(god expends so much energy as these people keep hurting me, in their pleasure or moses whoever he is, then god does nothing, and allows humanity to die, as a false witness)

Danigt22 · Sep 5, 2020

wisdompersonified said:
First off, I'm not saying the date and time that Christ will return. I just believe that Satan and the Fallen Ones will be cast down to earth around the end of February. At this point, I don't know what will happen next but I do think Satan and these fallen ones will reveal themselves or inhabit the bodies of leaders already in power.

Why do I say February 23rd?

First, I looked at Revelation 12.

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

This always sounded like an Astronomical sign to me. So I looked to see if this alignment happened recently.

It did on September 23, 2017.

Google Image Result for https://escapeallthesethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/maxresdefault-996x560.jpg

This war lasts 1260 days or around 3.5 years. Then Satan and the fallen ones will be cast down to earth.

Revelation 12

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

This is when the Beast will rise from the sea.

This is February 23, 2021. Three and a half years after September 23, 2017. There's something else I noticed that I didn't notice before.

Revelation 13

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

I always thought it said names of blasphemy for some reason but the singular name of blasphemy shook me to the core.

I now realize there will be a name of blasphemy. This will be Satan's name revealed or some other name but whoever takes on this name of blasphemy will be thrown into the lake of fire with satan and the fallen ones.

These 7 heads will be fallen ones and they will either reveal themselves or inhabit 7 leaders. They will work with 10 human kings.

One of these 7 leaders will receive a deadly wound that will be healed. This is their leader and this is the antichrist.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Realize it says "one of it's heads." The Beast isn't wounded which is made up of 7 heads and 10 horns but one of it's heads is wounded. Whoevever this leader is, he will be the leader of the fallen ones.

So around Februrary, March, April or May there will be an assassination attempt on one of these 7 leaders and he will survive and the tribulation will begin.

I don't know who these 7 leaders will be but when this happens, if you're still here on earth, you will know. You will also know who the false prophet is.

I believe this is dire. The name of blaphemy hasn't been revealed so it's time to tell as many people as you can to come out of this world now.

When you take on this name of blasphemy there's no hope for you. You will be thrown into the lake of fire. Satan and the fallen ones will try to get as many people as they can to accept this name of blasphemy because they know their time is short.

I realize now that most of Revelation hasn't happened yet. It starts after satan and the fallen ones are cast out of Heaven down to earth.

Will it be a Pope? Will it be a President and Vice President? Will it be leaders in the Middle East? I don't know.

There will be 7 heads with the name of blasphemy and one of these heads will be their leader and receive a deadly wound.

Rev 12 sign will repeat this 20th if im not mistaken. Only with Mercury instead of Jupiter. I mean it makes more sense with Mercury since Paul was mistaken by this false god in the book of acts.

Aussie Pete · Sep 5, 2020

klutedavid said:
You could include some Christians in that list. Otherwise how do we explain centuries of inquisitions and the array of wars. That had religious motivations.

Anyone who calls themselves Christian and can murder and hate other Christians is a liar.
1 John 3:
14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death. 15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that eternal life does not reside in a murderer.

Anyone can claim to be a Christian. It's what God says that counts.

Aussie Pete · Sep 5, 2020

klutedavid said:
You could include some Christians in that list. Otherwise how do we explain centuries of inquisitions and the array of wars. That had religious motivations.

Anyone who calls themselves Christian and can murder and hate other Christians is a liar.
1 John 3:
14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death. 15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that eternal life does not reside in a murderer.

WhoIsLikeGod? · Sep 5, 2020

wisdompersonified said:
That's an interesting thought.

I asked would the deadly wound be because of Covid. I think it will be an assasination attempt because it says he was wounded by the sword.

When I did think of Covid, I thought about Boris Johnson.

He almost died from Covid and if there was some kind of catastrophe that happened in the U.S., would the U.K. rejoin the E.U. to for a powerful block against Russia or the Revived Roman Empire that some talk about.

So the deadly wound would be Brexit.

I think the deadly wound will be an assasination attempt but during these times it's good just to stay vigilant and open to different possibilities.

The Agreement is in place. I believe the Abraham Accords will be the final agreement. I don't think Trump is the antichrist but it says in Daniel 9:27 that he will confirm the agreement.

Confirm in this context means to strengthen. So whoever he is, he will sign on to the agreement and make it stronger. So this would be a Muslim Country. He could also come from a place like Russia and strengthen the agreement. Trump said today that more Countries want to join in on the agreement.

So when he signs on and confirms the agreement, he will be seen as a friend to Israel.

Let me ask you, can an antichrist do this:

Finish the transgression, make an end of sins, make reconciliation for iniquity, bring in everlasting righteousness, and seal up the vision and prophecy, and anoint the most Holy (Dan. 9:24)?

That's what the 70 weeks is for. It was fulfilled by the Jews in Jerusalem ("thy people and upon thy holy city (Dan. 9:24)."

The seventy weeks prophecy speaks of Messiah the Prince and does not change subject. Dan. 9:25 says, “Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem (Ezr. 7:8) unto the Messiah the Prince (Luk. 3:1)…” Dan. 9:26 follows, “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” The “prince that shall come” in Dan. 9:26 is still Jesus; the subject did not change. Dan. 9:25 refers to the Messiah as the prince. The capitalization of Prince in Dan. 9:25 is due to his title, Messiah the Prince. The lower case version in Dan. 9:26 is taken away from his title, making it an improper noun. Remember, Dan. 9:24 and all that follows was accomplished by Jews in Jerusalem: “to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.”

The decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was issued by Artaxerxes to Ezra in 458 BC (Ezr. 7:8–26). Artaxerxes began his reign in 465 BC. The seventh year of the king was 458 BC. Daniel’s contemporary, Ezekiel, established the day-year principle for prophecy (Ezk. 4:4–6)—a day for each year. The street was built again, and the wall, in troublous times, by 409 BC, or seven “weeks” later. After another sixty-two “weeks” (434 years), Jesus was anointed in the Jordan River by John the Baptist in AD 26 (Luk. 3:1) and crucified in Jerusalem three and a half years later in AD 30 (Jhn. 2:13, 6:4, 11:55).

The Seventieth Week
“And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”—Dan. 9:27 (KJV)

Baptism of Jesus (AD 26) + 3 1/2 years = Crucifixion of Jesus (AD 30) + 3 1/2 years = Conversion of Paul (AD 33).

Covenant with Many
“I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness;  I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you  to be a covenant for the people  and a light for the Gentiles, to open eyes that are blind,  to free captives from prison  and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.”—Isa. 42:6–7

The covenant with many could only be “confirmed” if it had already been stated elsewhere. As it turns out, it was stated in Isaiah 42:6–7. Jesus, “led like a lamb to the slaughter (Isa. 53:7),” caused the sacrifice and the oblation to cease by “becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross (Php. 2:8).” Jesus confirmed the covenant with many through his servant Paul, to whom he appeared on the road to Damascus, who he trained three years in Arabia (Gal. 1:15–18), and who brought the message to the Gentiles.

Conversion of Paul 
“Then I asked, ‘Who are you, Lord?’

‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,’ the Lord replied. ‘Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen and will see of me. I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’” —Acts 26:15–18

Timeline of Paul’s Conversion
“Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days.”—Gal. 1:18

“Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also.”—Gal. 2:1

Council of Jerusalem (AD 50) – 14 years (Gal. 2:1) – 3 years (Gal. 1:18) = Conversion of Paul (AD 33).

Council of Jerusalem - Wikipedia

Thus, the final week of the Seventy Sevens Prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus.

The Romans destroyed the city and the sanctuary in AD 70, forty years after Christ was crucified (Ezk. 4:6). Yes, Jesus was Jewish and came for the lost sheep of Israel, but the people who would ultimately adopt his message were the Romans. “He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him (Jhn. 1:11).” To the Romans, Paul wrote, “I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that often I have planned to come to you (and have been prevented so far) so that I may obtain some fruit among you also, even as among the rest of the Gentiles. I am under obligation both to Greeks and to barbarians, both to the wise and to the foolish. So, for my part, I am eager to preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek (Rom. 1:13–16).” Christianity was the Roman Empire’s official religion from AD 380 until 1806.

wisdompersonified · Sep 6, 2020

Minky said:
Let me ask you, can an antichrist do this:

Finish the transgression, make an end of sins, make reconciliation for iniquity, bring in everlasting righteousness, and seal up the vision and prophecy, and anoint the most Holy (Dan. 9:24)?

That's what the 70 weeks is for. It was fulfilled by the Jews in Jerusalem ("thy people and upon thy holy city (Dan. 9:24)."

The seventy weeks prophecy speaks of Messiah the Prince and does not change subject. Dan. 9:25 says, “Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem (Ezr. 7:8) unto the Messiah the Prince (Luk. 3:1)…” Dan. 9:26 follows, “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” The “prince that shall come” in Dan. 9:26 is still Jesus; the subject did not change. Dan. 9:25 refers to the Messiah as the prince. The capitalization of Prince in Dan. 9:25 is due to his title, Messiah the Prince. The lower case version in Dan. 9:26 is taken away from his title, making it an improper noun. Remember, Dan. 9:24 and all that follows was accomplished by Jews in Jerusalem: “to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.”

The decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was issued by Artaxerxes to Ezra in 458 BC (Ezr. 7:8–26). Artaxerxes began his reign in 465 BC. The seventh year of the king was 458 BC. Daniel’s contemporary, Ezekiel, established the day-year principle for prophecy (Ezk. 4:4–6)—a day for each year. The street was built again, and the wall, in troublous times, by 409 BC, or seven “weeks” later. After another sixty-two “weeks” (434 years), Jesus was anointed in the Jordan River by John the Baptist in AD 26 (Luk. 3:1) and crucified in Jerusalem three and a half years later in AD 30 (Jhn. 2:13, 6:4, 11:55).

The Seventieth Week
“And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”—Dan. 9:27 (KJV)

Baptism of Jesus (AD 26) + 3 1/2 years = Crucifixion of Jesus (AD 30) + 3 1/2 years = Conversion of Paul (AD 33).

Covenant with Many
“I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness;  I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you  to be a covenant for the people  and a light for the Gentiles, to open eyes that are blind,  to free captives from prison  and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.”—Isa. 42:6–7

The covenant with many could only be “confirmed” if it had already been stated elsewhere. As it turns out, it was stated in Isaiah 42:6–7. Jesus, “led like a lamb to the slaughter (Isa. 53:7),” caused the sacrifice and the oblation to cease by “becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross (Php. 2:8).” Jesus confirmed the covenant with many through his servant Paul, to whom he appeared on the road to Damascus, who he trained three years in Arabia (Gal. 1:15–18), and who brought the message to the Gentiles.

Conversion of Paul 
“Then I asked, ‘Who are you, Lord?’

‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,’ the Lord replied. ‘Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen and will see of me. I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’” —Acts 26:15–18

Timeline of Paul’s Conversion
“Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days.”—Gal. 1:18

“Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also.”—Gal. 2:1

Council of Jerusalem (AD 50) – 14 years (Gal. 2:1) – 3 years (Gal. 1:18) = Conversion of Paul (AD 33).

Council of Jerusalem - Wikipedia

Thus, the final week of the Seventy Sevens Prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus.

The Romans destroyed the city and the sanctuary in AD 70, forty years after Christ was crucified (Ezk. 4:6). Yes, Jesus was Jewish and came for the lost sheep of Israel, but the people who would ultimately adopt his message were the Romans. “He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him (Jhn. 1:11).” To the Romans, Paul wrote, “I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that often I have planned to come to you (and have been prevented so far) so that I may obtain some fruit among you also, even as among the rest of the Gentiles. I am under obligation both to Greeks and to barbarians, both to the wise and to the foolish. So, for my part, I am eager to preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome. For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek (Rom. 1:13–16).” Christianity was the Roman Empire’s official religion from AD 380 until 1806.

This is just wrong.

You can't just make things up to fit into your belief. I say this with respect because we're believers in Christ but your post is misleading.

Jesus didn't confirm a covenant with many for one week and do the things in Daniel 9:27. To claim that does a disservice to many because we're in a time where we need to be vigilant because the agreement in place in Israel will eventually be confirmed by the leader of the 7 heads with the name of blasphemy. This isn't the time to play around with something so serious. When the name of blasphemy is revealed and people take on this name of blasphemy they will be going to the lake of fire.

You said:

Baptism of Jesus (AD 26) + 3 1/2 years = Crucifixion of Jesus (AD 30) + 3 1/2 years = Conversion of Paul (AD 33).

Most of your dates in your post can be disputed but this part was the most agregious stretch. There's no evidence that the Baptism of Jesus to the Crucifition was exactly 3 1/2 years. Most scholars say it lasted 3 years. There's no evidence the Paul's conversion was exactly 3 1/2 years after the Crucifixtion.

I have seen scholars say it happened in 33 others 34 and others 33-36.

There's zero evidence that anything you have mentioned has anything to do with Daniel 9:27. I just think it's wrong to try and stretch the truth in this way with something that so important.

I think Preterism is dangerous in a way because it can get people to look away and think these things already happened when they're unfolding in front of our eyes.

People need to keep there eyes on the Agreement with Israel and who's going to confirm it while spreading the Gospel.

I'm going to show you why your post falls apart. There's nobody saying Paul's conversion happened 3 1/2 years after the Crucifixtion and nobody I have seen that says it has anything to do with the one week in Daniel.

The conversion of Paul the Apostle (also the Pauline conversion, Damascene conversion, Damascus Christophany and The Road to Damascus event), was, according to the New Testament, an event in the life of Paul the Apostle that led him to cease persecuting early Christians and to become a follower of Jesus. It is normally dated to AD 33–36.[1][2][3] Since Paul's birth is estimated at 5 AD, he would have been somewhere around the age of 28–31 at his conversion.

Conversion of Paul the Apostle - Wikipedia

Again, from AD 33-36. There's no scholars or anyone I have heard claim it's exactly 3 1/2 years or it has to do with Daniel 9:27.

This timeline has it at 36 AD.

36 Paul's conversion -
37 At Damascus Death of TIBERIUS and accession of GAIUS (Caligula)
38 Flight from Damascus to Jerusalem, then to Tarsus -
39 - 43 Paul preaches in Syria and Cilicia, making his headquarters in Tarsus. Death of Caligula; accession of CLAUDIUS. Judea and Samaria given to Herod Agrippa I

Timeline of the Apostle Paul's ministry

Here's one more:

c. A.D. 6 Born a Roman citizen to Jewish parents in Tarsus (in modern eastern Turkey)

c. 20–30 Studies Torah in Jerusalem with Gamaliel; becomes a Pharisee

c. 30–33 Persecutes followers of Jesus of Nazareth in Jerusalem and Judea

Conversion

c. 33–36 Converted on the way to Damascus; spends three years in Arabia; returns to Damascus to preach Jesus as Messiah

Christian History Timeline: The Apostle Paul and His Times | Christian History Magazine

The point is, I can post many timelines and most will say his conversion happened between 33-36 AD and none will say exactly 3 1/2 years and none will say it had anything to do with Daniel 9:27.

I think it's misleading during these times because the agreement that will be confirmed and strengthened by the antichrist is unfolding before our eyes.

If you say all of these things already happened, you could be setting people up to accept the mark of the beast.

If people say, this guy is great, all he did was strengthen the agreement with Israel and this has nothing to do with Prophecy then people will also say this mark is just to protect us against terrorisim or to protect us against another pandemic. It's not dangerous because it has nothing to do with Bible Prophecy. All of those things already happened.

I think Preterism is dangerous, if that's what you're pushing, because people might ignore what's coming.

WhoIsLikeGod? · Sep 7, 2020

wisdompersonified said:
This is just wrong.

You can't just make things up to fit into your belief. I say this with respect because we're believers in Christ but your post is misleading.

Jesus didn't confirm a covenant with many for one week and do the things in Daniel 9:27. To claim that does a disservice to many because we're in a time where we need to be vigilant because the agreement in place in Israel will eventually be confirmed by the leader of the 7 heads with the name of blasphemy. This isn't the time to play around with something so serious. When the name of blasphemy is revealed and people take on this name of blasphemy they will be going to the lake of fire.

You said:

Baptism of Jesus (AD 26) + 3 1/2 years = Crucifixion of Jesus (AD 30) + 3 1/2 years = Conversion of Paul (AD 33).

Most of your dates in your post can be disputed but this part was the most agregious stretch. There's no evidence that the Baptism of Jesus to the Crucifition was exactly 3 1/2 years. Most scholars say it lasted 3 years. There's no evidence the Paul's conversion was exactly 3 1/2 years after the Crucifixtion.

I have seen scholars say it happened in 33 others 34 and others 33-36.

There's zero evidence that anything you have mentioned has anything to do with Daniel 9:27. I just think it's wrong to try and stretch the truth in this way with something that so important.

I think Preterism is dangerous in a way because it can get people to look away and think these things already happened when they're unfolding in front of our eyes.

People need to keep there eyes on the Agreement with Israel and who's going to confirm it while spreading the Gospel.

I'm going to show you why your post falls apart. There's nobody saying Paul's conversion happened 3 1/2 years after the Crucifixtion and nobody I have seen that says it has anything to do with the one week in Daniel.

The conversion of Paul the Apostle (also the Pauline conversion, Damascene conversion, Damascus Christophany and The Road to Damascus event), was, according to the New Testament, an event in the life of Paul the Apostle that led him to cease persecuting early Christians and to become a follower of Jesus. It is normally dated to AD 33–36.[1][2][3] Since Paul's birth is estimated at 5 AD, he would have been somewhere around the age of 28–31 at his conversion.

Conversion of Paul the Apostle - Wikipedia

Again, from AD 33-36. There's no scholars or anyone I have heard claim it's exactly 3 1/2 years or it has to do with Daniel 9:27.

This timeline has it at 36 AD.

36 Paul's conversion -
37 At Damascus Death of TIBERIUS and accession of GAIUS (Caligula)
38 Flight from Damascus to Jerusalem, then to Tarsus -
39 - 43 Paul preaches in Syria and Cilicia, making his headquarters in Tarsus. Death of Caligula; accession of CLAUDIUS. Judea and Samaria given to Herod Agrippa I

Timeline of the Apostle Paul's ministry

Here's one more:

c. A.D. 6 Born a Roman citizen to Jewish parents in Tarsus (in modern eastern Turkey)

c. 20–30 Studies Torah in Jerusalem with Gamaliel; becomes a Pharisee

c. 30–33 Persecutes followers of Jesus of Nazareth in Jerusalem and Judea

Conversion

c. 33–36 Converted on the way to Damascus; spends three years in Arabia; returns to Damascus to preach Jesus as Messiah

Christian History Timeline: The Apostle Paul and His Times | Christian History Magazine

The point is, I can post many timelines and most will say his conversion happened between 33-36 AD and none will say exactly 3 1/2 years and none will say it had anything to do with Daniel 9:27.

I think it's misleading during these times because the agreement that will be confirmed and strengthened by the antichrist is unfolding before our eyes.

If you say all of these things already happened, you could be setting people up to accept the mark of the beast.

If people say, this guy is great, all he did was strengthen the agreement with Israel and this has nothing to do with Prophecy then people will also say this mark is just to protect us against terrorisim or to protect us against another pandemic. It's not dangerous because it has nothing to do with Bible Prophecy. All of those things already happened.

I think Preterism is dangerous, if that's what you're pushing, because people might ignore what's coming.

I urge you to take another look at this interpretation. This prophecy, the seventy weeks prophecy, was written around 547 BC. It laid out what would happen 490 years after the decree went out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. That decree was issued in 458 BC by King Artaxerxes (Ezr. 7:8–26). 490 years from 458 BC is AD 33. That means the whole prophecy would have to be completely fulfilled by AD 33. And what was the prophecy? To "finish the transgression, make an end of sins, make reconciliation for iniquity, bring in everlasting righteousness, and seal up the vision and prophecy, and anoint the most Holy (Dan. 9:24)."

No antichrist could ever fulfill that. It's not his role. The antichrist's name is Apollyon, which means Destroyer. What this means is that if you accept this interpretation, is that you will have to give up your theory that the antichrist will make a covenant with Israel, and that the great tribulation will last 7 years. Nowhere in the Bible does it say the great tribulation will last 7 years. You're getting that from Daniel 9. The 3 1/2 years is still there: the time of the two witnesses. You must be specific when you mention the great tribulation: what do you mean by that?

The great tribulation is the first six trumpets. The rapture is the seventh. There is no time frame for this to happen. It could take 5 years, it could take 70 million.

You said it yourself, all of your estimates for the conversion of Paul included AD 33 in their estimates. Seven years after AD 26 is 33.

wisdompersonified · Sep 7, 2020

Minky said:
I urge you to take another look at this interpretation. This prophecy, the seventy weeks prophecy, was written around 547 BC. It laid out what would happen 490 years after the decree went out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. That decree was issued in 458 BC by King Artaxerxes (Ezr. 7:8–26). 490 years from 458 BC is AD 33. That means the whole prophecy would have to be completely fulfilled by AD 33. And what was the prophecy? To "finish the transgression, make an end of sins, make reconciliation for iniquity, bring in everlasting righteousness, and seal up the vision and prophecy, and anoint the most Holy (Dan. 9:24)."

No antichrist could ever fulfill that. It's not his role. The antichrist's name is Apollyon, which means Destroyer. What this means is that if you accept this interpretation, is that you will have to give up your theory that the antichrist will make a covenant with Israel, and that the great tribulation will last 7 years. Nowhere in the Bible does it say the great tribulation will last 7 years. You're getting that from Daniel 9. The 3 1/2 years is still there: the time of the two witnesses. You must be specific when you mention the great tribulation: what do you mean by that?

The great tribulation is the first six trumpets. The rapture is the seventh. There is no time frame for this to happen. It could take 5 years, it could take 70 million.

You said it yourself, all of your estimates for the conversion of Paul included AD 33 in their estimates. Seven years after AD 26 is 33.

First, your whole 7 year theory falls apart. Paul's conversrion is ESTIMATED to be around 33 to 36. Nowhere does anyone but you say this was exactly 3 1/2 years or it has anything to do with Daniel. The same with the Baptism to the Crucifixtion.

You can't just make stuff up like that. You're misleading people.

Jesus talks about the Abomination of Desolation.

Matthew 24:15

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Was Jesus talking about himself? What did Jesus say in verse 14 right before he spoke of the abomonation of desolation?

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come

Was the Gospel preached to all nations in 70 AD? Was Jesus lying when he said this?

Also, why should anyone believe your faulty and wrong timeline when every translation of the Bible and just about every Prophecy describes Daniel 9:27 as an Agreement like the Abraham Accords that's happening today?

Daniel 9:27

NIV - He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

New Living Translation - The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him.”

English Standard Version - And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

New American Standard - "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

New King James Version - Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.”

Christian Standard Version - He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."

I can list 20 more translations like this.

Tell me, why is God trying to fool everbody with a Bible and only you and your faulty timeline, which has nothing to do with Daniel, is the only correct interpretation?

Let me also explain where the 7 years are laid out in Revelation.

First you have one of the heads of the beast from the sea. This is the antichrist or the leader of the fallen ones that the dragon gives a seat of power. He might get the deadly wound because of he confirms the agreement with Israel.

He continues for 42 months. This is the first 3 1/2 years. During this time he will build up trust and also go to war. He will be seen as a guy who's making things normal again. So much so that the beast from the earth wants to make an image of the beast that received the deadly wound.

The second 3 1/2 years will be the time of the two witnesses.

Sometime after that Jesus will return and reign on earth.

I get my 7 years from scripture. You just made up a time period that you claim is 7 years but it's not found in scripture or anywhere else. There's nobody but you who says Paul's Conversion was exactly 3 1/2 years after the Crucifixtion and this 3 1/2 years is related to Daniel 9:27 in any way.

WhoIsLikeGod? · Sep 14, 2020

wisdompersonified said:
First, your whole 7 year theory falls apart. Paul's conversrion is ESTIMATED to be around 33 to 36. Nowhere does anyone but you say this was exactly 3 1/2 years or it has anything to do with Daniel. The same with the Baptism to the Crucifixtion.

You can't just make stuff up like that. You're misleading people.

Jesus talks about the Abomination of Desolation.

Matthew 24:15

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Was Jesus talking about himself? What did Jesus say in verse 14 right before he spoke of the abomonation of desolation?

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come

Was the Gospel preached to all nations in 70 AD? Was Jesus lying when he said this?

Also, why should anyone believe your faulty and wrong timeline when every translation of the Bible and just about every Prophecy describes Daniel 9:27 as an Agreement like the Abraham Accords that's happening today?

Daniel 9:27

NIV - He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

New Living Translation - The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him.”

English Standard Version - And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

New American Standard - "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

New King James Version - Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.”

Christian Standard Version - He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."

I can list 20 more translations like this.

Tell me, why is God trying to fool everbody with a Bible and only you and your faulty timeline, which has nothing to do with Daniel, is the only correct interpretation?

Let me also explain where the 7 years are laid out in Revelation.

First you have one of the heads of the beast from the sea. This is the antichrist or the leader of the fallen ones that the dragon gives a seat of power. He might get the deadly wound because of he confirms the agreement with Israel.

He continues for 42 months. This is the first 3 1/2 years. During this time he will build up trust and also go to war. He will be seen as a guy who's making things normal again. So much so that the beast from the earth wants to make an image of the beast that received the deadly wound.

The second 3 1/2 years will be the time of the two witnesses.

Sometime after that Jesus will return and reign on earth.

I get my 7 years from scripture. You just made up a time period that you claim is 7 years but it's not found in scripture or anywhere else. There's nobody but you who says Paul's Conversion was exactly 3 1/2 years after the Crucifixtion and this 3 1/2 years is related to Daniel 9:27 in any way.

I would take the King James Version over any of those any day. Notice it says he (Messiah the Prince) will CONFIRM a covenant with many.

The challenge that you are presenting me with, that I am just making this up, is true. Mine is a unpopular interpretation that I came up with myself. But others agree with me; I've seen them on this website. I realize there are far more people who are in line with what you are saying. But it just doesn't add up. I already told you why it doesn't add up: Daniel 9:24 says, "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." That means the whole seventy weeks. An antichrist couldn't accomplish any of that. Also, the subject doesn't change in Dan. 9:27.

If I find one discrepancy with your interpretation, the whole thing goes kaput. Which I just did. You are accusing me of making my interpretation up out of thin air but if you are fair, you will admit that whoever came up with your "agreement interpretation" did the same when they were first interpreting the Bible. And people gobbled it up like people gobble up evolutionary theory. They love explanations even if there are holes in it.

I will tell you why you should believe my timeline. Because it's consistent with scripture. With scripture, I am able to show that Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River in AD 26.

Luke 3:1–2 says, "Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, and Herod was tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip was tetrarch of the region of Ituraea and Trachonitis, and Lysanias was tetrarch of Abilene, in the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John, the son of Zacharias, in the wilderness."

According to Suetonius, the declaration of Tiberius' "co-Princeps" took place in the year AD 11, after his return from Germania. Fifteen years after this is AD 26.

The gospel of John describes three Passovers from the beginning of Jesus' ministry. John 2:13, 6:4, and 11:55. It was at least three years, but probably more. Jesus was crucified in AD 30.

The place where I am getting 3 1/2 years is Daniel 9. God's prophecies have been proven to come true. Where the rest of the Bible provides close estimates, Daniel provides accuracy.

The council of Jerusalem took place in AD 50. Galatians 1:18 and and 2:1 say 17 years after Paul's conversion, he went to Jerusalem (for the council).

50 - 17 = 33.

The covenant that Jesus confirmed was becoming a light unto the gentiles, in which Paul had a hand.

The abomination of desolation may have happened already. If not, you are waiting for periods of 2,300 days (or years), 1,260 days (or years), 1,290 days (or years), and 1,335 days (or years). Which may or may not ever happen according to the way you are interpreting scripture.

We definitely know it hadn't happened by the time Jesus came. From Antiochus Epiphanes' sacrifice of a pig on the altar in 167 BC to the cleansing of the sanctuary in 164 BC was only 1,102 days. The Romans destroyed the Second Temple in AD 70.

"The city of Aelia Capitolina was built in AD 130 by the Roman emperor Hadrian, and occupied by a Roman colony on the site of Jerusalem, which was still in ruins from the First Jewish Revolt in AD 70.

"Hadrian had intended the construction of the new city as a gift to the Jews, but since he had constructed a giant statue of himself in front of the Temple of Jupiter and the Temple of Jupiter had a huge statue of Jupiter inside of it, there were on the Temple Mount now two enormous graven images, which Jews considered idolatrous. It was also customary in Roman rites to sacrifice a pig in land purification ceremonies. In addition to this, Hadrian issued a decree prohibiting the practice of circumcision. These three factors, the graven images, the sacrifice of pigs before the altar, and the prohibition of circumcision, are thought to have constituted for non-Hellenized Jews a new abomination of desolation, and thus Bar Kochba launched the Third Jewish Revolt (Wikipedia)."

"In 610, the Sassanid Empire drove the Byzantine Empire out of the Middle East, giving the Jews control of Jerusalem for the first time in centuries. The Jews in Palestine were allowed to set up a vassal state under the Sassanid Empire called the Sassanid Jewish Commonwealth which lasted for five years. Jewish rabbis ordered the restart of animal sacrifice for the first time since the time of Second Temple and started to reconstruct the Jewish Temple. Shortly before the Byzantines took the area back five years later in 615, the Persians gave control to the Christian population, who tore down the partially built Jewish Temple edifice and turned it into a garbage dump, which is what it was when the Rashidun Caliph Umar took the city in 637 (Wikipedia)."

The Dome of the Rock was built by the order of the Umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik. According to al-Suyuti (1445–1505), its commencement year was 688.

Personally, I believe the abomination of desolation was the Dome of the Rock. 1,260 years after 688 is 1948, or the Israeli Declaration of Independence. 1,290 years from that starting point is 1978, or the Camp David Accords. 1,335 years later is 2023.

The 2,300 days has a different starting point. Chapter 8 of Daniel is all about the fighting between the ram and the goat. Alexander the Great is the little horn, and the four that grew up out of it were the Diadochi. The fighting between Alexander the Great and the two Medo-Persian kings began in 334 BC, or the Battle of the Granicus.

2,300 years after 334 BC was 1967, or the Six-Day War, when the Israelis took back Jerusalem. Whether they "cleansed the sanctuary" I do not know, nevertheless they recaptured their beloved city.

Regarding your seven years in Revelation, I disagree with you that the head's 42 months are in the future. Hitler's holocaust lasted exactly 42 months, from Nov. 1941 to May 1945.

Here's why the holocaust is a better fit:

The beast from the sea has seven heads and ten horns. According to Daniel 7:23, a beast is a kingdom. Daniel had a vision of four beasts, and they were each a consecutive kingdom that rose and fell. The fourth beast was the Roman empire, which began in 63 BC when Pompey the Great conquered Judea.

The Roman Empire divided into the East and the West in AD 395. The Eastern Roman Empire maintained control of Jerusalem until 637. The Western Roman Empire fell in AD 476, but was revived in 800 by Charlemagne. Christianity was the empire's official religion until its collapse in 1806.

The seven heads are seven mountains. Rome was built on seven hills.

Seven hills of Rome - Wikipedia

They were also seven kings (Rev. 17:10). The ten horns were also ten kings (Rev. 17:12). We're looking for a kingdom (beast) that has two sets of kings. The Holy Roman Empire's territory was comprised of Italy and Germany until its dissolution in 1806. The Triple Alliance during WWI and the Axis Powers during WWII were the revival of that empire for one hour (Rev. 17:12).

As the seven heads represent Rome, so there were also seven Italian kings from 1806 to 1946.

Seven Heads (Kings) (Rev. 13:1):
1. Victor Emmanuel I (1802–1821)
2. Charles Felix (1821–1831)
3. Charles Albert (1831–1849)
4. Victor Emmanuel II (1849–1878)
5. Umberto I (1878–1900)
6. Victor Emmanuel III (1900–1946)*
7. Umberto II (1946)**

* "ITALIAN KING WOUNDED BERLIN. Dec. 28. (Via Sayville by wireless.) King Victor Emmanuel of Italy has been wounded by an Austrian grenade and is now in the hospital, it is stated by the Overseas News agency. The agency attributes its information to a traveler who has just arrived from Italy. Terroristic and anti-government demonstrations are extending to an alarming extent in Italy, according to this traveller." Source: South Bend News-Times, Volume 32, Number 362, South Bend, St. Joseph County, 28 December 1915

** Reigned 34 days ("a little while")—Rev. 17:10.

There were also ten German rulers from 1806 to 1945.

Ten Horns (Kings) (Rev. 13:1):
1. Frederick William III (1797–1840)
2. Frederick William IV (1840–1861)
3. William I (1861–1888)
4. Frederick III (1888)
5. Wilhelm II (1888–1918)
6. Friedrich Ebert (1918–1925)
7. Hans Luther (1925)
8. Walter Simons (1925)
9. Paul von Hindenburg (1925–1934)
10. Adolf Hitler (1934–1945)*

* Whose holocaust last 42 months, from Nov. 1941 to May 1945—Rev. 13:5.

The beast from the earth will make an image in honor of this beast, the one who was wounded by the sword but yet lived. This is possible because "the beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction (Rev. 17:11)." The eighth king is the antichrist. He is one of the seven above. When he comes, the 5th trumpet of locusts will devour his people, those who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. He will also kill the two witnesses. He will also set himself up in the temple and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. I myself am fine just knowing these few predictions about the antichrist. I don't need a 7-year covenant that isn't found in scripture, because I believe that Jesus fulfilled the seventieth week of Daniel's seventy weeks prophecy.

wisdompersonified · Sep 14, 2020

Minky said:
I would take the King James Version over any of those any day. Notice it says he (Messiah the Prince) will CONFIRM a covenant with many.

The challenge that you are presenting me with, that I am just making this up, is true. Mine is a unpopular interpretation that I came up with myself. But others agree with me; I've seen them on this website. I realize there are far more people who are in line with what you are saying. But it just doesn't add up. I already told you why it doesn't add up: Daniel 9:24 says, "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." That means the whole seventy weeks. An antichrist couldn't accomplish any of that. Also, the subject doesn't change in Dan. 9:27.

If I find one discrepancy with your interpretation, the whole thing goes kaput. Which I just did. You are accusing me of making my interpretation up out of thin air but if you are fair, you will admit that whoever came up with your "agreement interpretation" did the same when they were first interpreting the Bible. And people gobbled it up like people gobble up evolutionary theory. They love explanations even if there are holes in it.

I will tell you why you should believe my timeline. Because it's consistent with scripture. With scripture, I am able to show that Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River in AD 26.

Luke 3:1–2 says, "Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, and Herod was tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip was tetrarch of the region of Ituraea and Trachonitis, and Lysanias was tetrarch of Abilene, in the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John, the son of Zacharias, in the wilderness."

According to Suetonius, the declaration of Tiberius' "co-Princeps" took place in the year AD 11, after his return from Germania. Fifteen years after this is AD 26.

The gospel of John describes three Passovers from the beginning of Jesus' ministry. John 2:13, 6:4, and 11:55. It was at least three years, but probably more. Jesus was crucified in AD 30.

The place where I am getting 3 1/2 years is Daniel 9. God's prophecies have been proven to come true. Where the rest of the Bible provides close estimates, Daniel provides accuracy.

The council of Jerusalem took place in AD 50. Galatians 1:18 and and 2:1 say 17 years after Paul's conversion, he went to Jerusalem (for the council).

50 - 17 = 33.

The covenant that Jesus confirmed was becoming a light unto the gentiles, in which Paul had a hand.

The abomination of desolation may have happened already. If not, you are waiting for periods of 2,300 days (or years), 1,260 days (or years), 1,290 days (or years), and 1,335 days (or years). Which may or may not ever happen according to the way you are interpreting scripture.

We definitely know it hadn't happened by the time Jesus came. From Antiochus Epiphanes' sacrifice of a pig on the altar in 167 BC to the cleansing of the sanctuary in 164 BC was only 1,102 days. The Romans destroyed the Second Temple in AD 70.

"The city of Aelia Capitolina was built in AD 130 by the Roman emperor Hadrian, and occupied by a Roman colony on the site of Jerusalem, which was still in ruins from the First Jewish Revolt in AD 70.

"Hadrian had intended the construction of the new city as a gift to the Jews, but since he had constructed a giant statue of himself in front of the Temple of Jupiter and the Temple of Jupiter had a huge statue of Jupiter inside of it, there were on the Temple Mount now two enormous graven images, which Jews considered idolatrous. It was also customary in Roman rites to sacrifice a pig in land purification ceremonies. In addition to this, Hadrian issued a decree prohibiting the practice of circumcision. These three factors, the graven images, the sacrifice of pigs before the altar, and the prohibition of circumcision, are thought to have constituted for non-Hellenized Jews a new abomination of desolation, and thus Bar Kochba launched the Third Jewish Revolt (Wikipedia)."

"In 610, the Sassanid Empire drove the Byzantine Empire out of the Middle East, giving the Jews control of Jerusalem for the first time in centuries. The Jews in Palestine were allowed to set up a vassal state under the Sassanid Empire called the Sassanid Jewish Commonwealth which lasted for five years. Jewish rabbis ordered the restart of animal sacrifice for the first time since the time of Second Temple and started to reconstruct the Jewish Temple. Shortly before the Byzantines took the area back five years later in 615, the Persians gave control to the Christian population, who tore down the partially built Jewish Temple edifice and turned it into a garbage dump, which is what it was when the Rashidun Caliph Umar took the city in 637 (Wikipedia)."

The Dome of the Rock was built by the order of the Umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik. According to al-Suyuti (1445–1505), its commencement year was 688.

Personally, I believe the abomination of desolation was the Dome of the Rock. 1,260 years after 688 is 1948, or the Israeli Declaration of Independence. 1,290 years from that starting point is 1978, or the Camp David Accords. 1,335 years later is 2023.

The 2,300 days has a different starting point. Chapter 8 of Daniel is all about the fighting between the ram and the goat. Alexander the Great is the little horn, and the four that grew up out of it were the Diadochi. The fighting between Alexander the Great and the two Medo-Persian kings began in 334 BC, or the Battle of the Granicus.

2,300 years after 334 BC was 1967, or the Six-Day War, when the Israelis took back Jerusalem. Whether they "cleansed the sanctuary" I do not know, nevertheless they recaptured their beloved city.

Regarding your seven years in Revelation, I disagree with you that the head's 42 months are in the future. Hitler's holocaust lasted exactly 42 months, from Nov. 1941 to May 1945.

Here's why the holocaust is a better fit:

The beast from the sea has seven heads and ten horns. According to Daniel 7:23, a beast is a kingdom. Daniel had a vision of four beasts, and they were each a consecutive kingdom that rose and fell. The fourth beast was the Roman empire, which began in 63 BC when Pompey the Great conquered Judea.

The Roman Empire divided into the East and the West in AD 395. The Eastern Roman Empire maintained control of Jerusalem until 637. The Western Roman Empire fell in AD 476, but was revived in 800 by Charlemagne. Christianity was the empire's official religion until its collapse in 1806.

The seven heads are seven mountains. Rome was built on seven hills.

Seven hills of Rome - Wikipedia

They were also seven kings (Rev. 17:10). The ten horns were also ten kings (Rev. 17:12). We're looking for a kingdom (beast) that has two sets of kings. The Holy Roman Empire's territory was comprised of Italy and Germany until its dissolution in 1806. The Triple Alliance during WWI and the Axis Powers during WWII were the revival of that empire for one hour (Rev. 17:12).

As the seven heads represent Rome, so there were also seven Italian kings from 1806 to 1946.

Seven Heads (Kings) (Rev. 13:1):
1. Victor Emmanuel I (1802–1821)
2. Charles Felix (1821–1831)
3. Charles Albert (1831–1849)
4. Victor Emmanuel II (1849–1878)
5. Umberto I (1878–1900)
6. Victor Emmanuel III (1900–1946)*
7. Umberto II (1946)**

* "ITALIAN KING WOUNDED BERLIN. Dec. 28. (Via Sayville by wireless.) King Victor Emmanuel of Italy has been wounded by an Austrian grenade and is now in the hospital, it is stated by the Overseas News agency. The agency attributes its information to a traveler who has just arrived from Italy. Terroristic and anti-government demonstrations are extending to an alarming extent in Italy, according to this traveller." Source: South Bend News-Times, Volume 32, Number 362, South Bend, St. Joseph County, 28 December 1915

** Reigned 34 days ("a little while")—Rev. 17:10.

There were also ten German rulers from 1806 to 1945.

Ten Horns (Kings) (Rev. 13:1):
1. Frederick William III (1797–1840)
2. Frederick William IV (1840–1861)
3. William I (1861–1888)
4. Frederick III (1888)
5. Wilhelm II (1888–1918)
6. Friedrich Ebert (1918–1925)
7. Hans Luther (1925)
8. Walter Simons (1925)
9. Paul von Hindenburg (1925–1934)
10. Adolf Hitler (1934–1945)*

* Whose holocaust last 42 months, from Nov. 1941 to May 1945—Rev. 13:5.

The beast from the earth will make an image in honor of this beast, the one who was wounded by the sword but yet lived. This is possible because "the beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction (Rev. 17:11)." The eighth king is the antichrist. He is one of the seven above. When he comes, the 5th trumpet of locusts will devour his people, those who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. He will also kill the two witnesses. He will also set himself up in the temple and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. I myself am fine just knowing these few predictions about the antichrist. I don't need a 7-year covenant that isn't found in scripture, because I believe that Jesus fulfilled the seventieth week of Daniel's seventy weeks prophecy.

Sadly, this is just the case of you trying to fit things into your interpretation that doesn't make much sense.

Again, there's no evidence that from Baptism to Crucifixtion was exactly 3 1/2 years and from Cruxifixtion to Paul's conversion was exactly 3 1/2 years or evidence has anything to do with Daniel.

You're making this up to fit your belief.

I understand human nature where people have a belief system and they can't accept when facts are presented that shows this belief is false. They then just make things up to try and prop up their belief.

Again, there's no evidence that supports this anywhere outside of your mind. You said:

The challenge that you are presenting me with, that I am just making this up, is true. Mine is a unpopular interpretation that I came up with myself.

This should tell you all that you need to know. You're making it up and I haven't seen anyone who agrees with you. In fact, this is the first time I ever heard this and it's because it doesn't make much sense.

You've conjured up a 7 year period that happens in exactly 3 1/2 year intervals that nobody agrees with and nobody has said this 7 year period that you conjured up has anything to do with Daniel.

You have to see how illogical that is and I'm glad nobody believes it because it's dangerous.If people were to accept what you're saying they will end up accepting the mark of the beast.

Why would God fool everyone except you? The subject changes in verse 26:

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The prince that shall come will make an agreement with many.

The people of the prince that shall come is Rome. This tells you the antichrist will be a reincarnation of a Roman Emporer.

This is the beast that was and is not and comes from the bottomless pit in Revelation 17.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Now some think he's talking about Nero but he seems to be pointing to Trajan.

Five have fallen, one is(Domitian) another will come for a short space(Nerva - 15 months). The next is Emporer Trajan.

Many say John wrote Revelation while Domitian was Emperor. When he explains these 7 kings, he speaks in the present tense. He says 5 are fallen(past) and one is(present). Anyone reading it at the time would know he's talking about Domitian as the one who is. This fits with scripture.

Whatever the case may be, the antichrist will be the reincarnation of a Roman Emporer and Jesus tells us these things will happen at the end time.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

Was Jesus talking about himself? What did Jesus say in verse 14 right before he spoke of the abomonation of desolation?

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come

Personally, I'm glad that yours is a view of 1. It's dangerous and would lead many to accept the mark of the beast.

It would lead many not to know the signs of the times and they would not have their eye on this agreement and who will eventually confirm it. Also people will not see the deadly wound coming to this leader and they might accept this name of blasphemy when it's revealed and be thrown into the lake of fire.

I'm glad yours is a belief of 1 because that belief could lead many right into the lake of fire.

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