17 year old facing murder charges in Kenosha, attorneys claim self-defense

NxNW said:

The kid was pointing his gun at unarmed bystanders and threatening to shoot them. He went out there looking for an excuse to shoot somebody. After he murdered the first person, people tried to disarm him, and he shot them, too.

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You have evidence of that of course, right? Something tells me no....

NxNW said:

Here is the reality, described by someone who was actually there:

I just want to set the record straight. Before Kyle murdered TWO people and severely injured another, myself and others had walked past Kyle and his group of friends who wanted to come play army and shoot. I was across the street minding my own business just trying to get to where our cars were parked. From across the street, Kyle and his army of goons decided to taunt me and my family. Aimed ALL of their guns at us, screamed at us while threatening to shoot. Because we were walking on the sidewalk across the street? Minding our own business? It was at that very moment we should have defended ourselves and taken Kyle down. It felt like an ambush. But we still chose peace and to get away safely. Within the hour, Kyle ended up killing two shortly after and injuring others, in the same manner he acted towards us. My friend is undergoing surgery as I write this. Kyle came out here for blood. Period. He is a murderer.
-Joey Koepp

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No political slop on this right?....course not.....

NxNW said:

The witness's opinions don't change the truth,

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Actually they do since as you said 'opinions' and yes opinions do change the truth.....

Self defense. He needs to be acquitted, and apoligized to by the media.

Jon Davis's answer to What is your opinion regarding the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting in Kenosha, Wisconsin during the Jacob Blake protest? - Quora

allegedly there was a constant staccato of gunfire (in the background?) the entire time during the incident, perhaps illuminating context & state of mind

NxNW said:

Here is the reality, described by someone who was actually there:

I just want to set the record straight. Before Kyle murdered TWO people and severely injured another, myself and others had walked past Kyle and his group of friends who wanted to come play army and shoot. I was across the street minding my own business just trying to get to where our cars were parked. From across the street, Kyle and his army of goons decided to taunt me and my family. Aimed ALL of their guns at us, screamed at us while threatening to shoot. Because we were walking on the sidewalk across the street? Minding our own business? It was at that very moment we should have defended ourselves and taken Kyle down. It felt like an ambush. But we still chose peace and to get away safely. Within the hour, Kyle ended up killing two shortly after and injuring others, in the same manner he acted towards us. My friend is undergoing surgery as I write this. Kyle came out here for blood. Period. He is a murderer.
-Joey Koepp

facebook.com/joey.koepp/posts/10157053537182191

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That he performed an incorrect and illegal action earlier in the evening does nothing to say if the later shootings were illegal. While I do not pretend to know if this was self defense or murder this does not provide evidence either way.

Belk said:

That he performed an incorrect and illegal action earlier in the evening does nothing to say if the later shootings were illegal. While I do not pretend to know if this was self defense or murder this does not provide evidence either way.

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at what point did he become alone & isolated, running away from pursuers chasing him, as he made his way towards police?

Erik Nelson said:

at what point did he become alone & isolated, running away from pursuers chasing him, as he made his way towards police?

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Don't know don't care. I'm just pointing out that pointing a gun at someone earlier in the evening does not constitute evidence for an alleged crime that happens later.

Erik Nelson said:

at what point did he become alone & isolated, running away from pursuers chasing him, as he made his way towards police?

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The running down the street and tripping was just after (a minute or two) Rittenhouse had shot Rosenbaum.

Pommer said:

The running down the street and tripping was just after (a minute or two) Rittenhouse had shot Rosenbaum.

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and that was after he had been surrounded, heckled, threatened and from which threat he was trying to escape?

before all incidents, he tried to return to his protected area, but was refused entry by police, which left him alone on the streets amidst armed rioters; during the events he phoned the authorities to report all shooting incidents; and afterwards he tried to find and surrender to authorities but was again rebuffed, finally surrendering in his home town the next day... correct?

Footage shows Kenosha gunman Kyle Rittenhouse 'punching a girl several times during argument ' | Daily Mail Online

Allegedly, Kyle Rittenhouse was attacked for trying to put out fires, retreated from escalating pursuit, and fired at point blank range when they caught up to him

Erik Nelson said:

and that was after he had been surrounded, heckled, threatened and from which threat he was trying to escape?

before all incidents, he tried to return to his protected area, but was refused entry by police, which left him alone on the streets amidst armed rioters; during the events he phoned the authorities to report all shooting incidents; and afterwards he tried to find and surrender to authorities but was again rebuffed, finally surrendering in his home town the next day... correct?

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You asked asked a question...I answered it.
Now it looks as if you wanna have an argument with me.

No, thanks.

Pommer said:

You asked asked a question...I answered it.
Now it looks as if you wanna have an argument with me.

No, thanks.

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true, you supplied a partial, and incomplete, half answer

1. Kyle Rittenhouse is seen running away from pursuers faster than his feet can manage
2. his pursuers pounce at him, one with a gun flagrantly drawn
3. then tried to surrender to police

If a BLM activist were seen running away from a "militia", so fast they tripped and fell down, and the "militia" pursuers caught up to them, one with a handgun drawn, and the BLM activist opened fire and then tried to surrender to police...

what would everyone be saying??

Erik Nelson said:

true, you supplied a partial, and incomplete, half answer

1. Kyle Rittenhouse is seen running away from pursuers faster than his feet can manage
2. his pursuers pounce at him, one with a gun flagrantly drawn
3. then tried to surrender to police

If a BLM activist were seen running away from a "militia", so fast they tripped and fell down, and the "militia" pursuers caught up to them, one with a handgun drawn, and the BLM activist opened fire and then tried to surrender to police...

what would everyone be saying??

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Depends. Was the BLM activist in this made up story carrying the rifle he just used to shoot someone?

Erik Nelson said:

1. Kyle Rittenhouse is seen running away from pursuers faster than his feet can manage

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1. 
   After he's already killed someone. As I see it, it hinges on the first killing. Was it self-defense or not?
   If not, then the argument is that those subsequent pursuers were trying to disarm a murderer. If yes, then the discussion changes toward self-defense.
   

   [*]his pursuers pounce at him, one with a gun flagrantly drawn
   [*]then tried to surrender to police

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If a BLM activist were seen running away from a "militia", so fast they tripped and fell down, and the "militia" pursuers caught up to them, one with a handgun drawn, and the BLM activist opened fire and then tried to surrender to police...

what would everyone be saying??

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FenderTL5 said:

1. 
   After he's already killed someone. As I see it, it hinges on the first killing. Was it self-defense or not?
   If not, then the argument is that those subsequent pursuers were trying to disarm a murderer. If yes, then the discussion changes toward self-defense.

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And what caused that first shooting? According to my current understanding:

Rewinding to the previous "scene", he was putting out fires caused by the rioters and so they confronted him. Things escalated, he tried to disengage, was pursued even prior to the first shooting, threatened, and fired in self defense

Rewinding to the still previous "scene", he tried to get off the streets and return to his own cordoned off zone, but was barred from re-entry by police

fast-forwarding to the next "scene", he ran towards police vehicles and tried to surrender himself, and was again "rebuffed", forcing him to surrender himself to his own home town authorities