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There is only one Gospel and that is the message about Christ...1Corins 15:2,3..
He is the Faith was to come, and has already come Galatians 3:23-25...
He (Christ) is the Beginning and finisher of our Faith...Hebrews 12:2

Take those verses and reconcile with the law under the old covenant..That the law is Not based on Faith ( Jesus) instead is " The person who do those things will live by them"...this reference to people who follow the law under the old covenant to be saved...

Ok can you answer my question now?

What gospel (specifics please as the detail is important) were old testament believers saved by (scripture please)?

This question is important because it leads into showing what the old covenant is and what the new is that the old pointed to for which I will also show scripture.

It is ok if you do not know just say so.
 
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Ok can you answer my question now?

What gospel (specifics please as the detail is important) were old testament believers saved by (scripture please)?

This question is important because it leads into showing what the old covenant is and what the new is that the old pointed to for which I will also show scripture.

It is ok if you do not know just say so.
Same Gospel 1 Corin 15..the old covenant is Not based on the Gospel or Faith.. Galatians 3.
Is it specific enough?
 
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Same Gospel 1 Corin 15..the old covenant is Not based on the Gospel or Faith.. Galatians 3.
Is it specific enough?

Hello pasifika, no not really. Your comment does not make any sense here.
You agreed with me earlier when I provided scripture that Gods people in the old covenant were saved by faith just as those before the old covenant and those in the new covenant.

Have you changed your mind now in regards to the above?

Carrying on from the above I then asked you what was it that the old testament believers who were saved by faith believed in that saved them and asked you for scripture to support your belief.

Do you know the answer to this question if you do not please just say so as I am happy to share the scriptures if your not sure or let me know if you have changed your mind in regards to what you believe. At the moment I am finding following your posts a little confusing hence the questions for clarification. Hope you do not mind.
 
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Hello pasifika, no not really. Your comment does not make any sense here.
You agreed with me earlier when I provided scripture that Gods people in the old covenant were saved by faith just as those before the old covenant and those in the new covenant.

Have you changed your mind now in regards to the above?

Carrying on from the above I then asked you what was it that the old testament believers who were saved by faith believed in that saved them and asked you for scripture to support your belief.

Do you know the answer to this question if you do not please just say so as I am happy to share the scriptures if your not sure or let me know if you have changed your mind in regards to what you believe. At the moment I am finding following your posts a little confusing hence the questions for clarification. Hope you do not mind.
Hello LGW, okay you can proceed with your explanation..
 
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Hello LGW, okay you can proceed with your explanation..
Ok thanks pasifika, In the old covenant do you know how God's people received God's forgiveness when they sinned against God or their fellow man?
 
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Ok thanks pasifika, In the old covenant do you know how God's people received God's forgiveness when they sinned against God or their fellow man?
No forgiveness of sins under old covenant... Hebrews 10:4
 
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No forgiveness of sins under old covenant... Hebrews 10:4
Ok, dear friend, you agree that God's people are saved by faith in the old covenant right? How can they be saved by faith if they are not forgiven for their sins?.

Hebrews 10:4 is talking about taking away sin it is not saying God's people did not receive God's forgiveness. Note the context of HEBREWS 10:4 is to v3 "But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year", which is a reference to the "day of atonement" where the Sanctuary was cleansed from the sins of ISRAEL over the year and taken away by the scapegoats. We can talk about this latter if you like but for now...

"In the old covenant do you know how God's people received God's forgiveness when they sinned against God or their fellow man?
 
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No forgiveness of sins under old covenant... Hebrews 10:4

Lev. 4:31 And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.

Heb. 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Where did you get the teaching that sins were not forgiven in the old covenant? I can see that it wasn't by the blood of animals, but isn't the Scriptures telling us the man who followed this process was forgiven?




 
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Lev. 4:31 And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.

Heb. 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Where did you get the teaching that sins were not forgiven in the old covenant? I can see that it wasn't by the blood of animals, but isn't the Scriptures telling us the man who followed this process was forgiven?

Thanks SM but we are moving too fast :(
 
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Ok, dear friend, you agree that God's people are saved by faith in the old covenant right? How can they be saved by faith if they are not forgiven for their sins?.

Hebrews 10:4 is talking about taking away sin it is not saying God's people did not receive God's forgiveness. Note the context of HEBREWS 10:4 is to v3 "But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year", which is a reference to the "day of atonement" where the Sanctuary was cleansed from the sins of ISRAEL over the year and taken away by the scapegoats. We can talk about this latter if you like but for now...

"In the old covenant do you know how God's people received God's forgiveness when they sinned against God or their fellow man?
Hello LGW, sorry my bad, yes you’re right under the old covenant of animal sacrifice to forgive sins...

But also, Sins can be forgiven through Faith in Believing the gospel of Jesus Christ and you can read in NT writings...Luke 5:20, Acts 13:38 etc
 
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Lev. 4:31 And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.

Heb. 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Where did you get the teaching that sins were not forgiven in the old covenant? I can see that it wasn't by the blood of animals, but isn't the Scriptures telling us the man who followed this process was forgiven?
Sorry my bad studyman..yes sins were forgiven by animal sacrifice under old covenant But also by Faith from believing the Gospel...Luke 5:20 etc. the same Gospel they preached to them in Sinai Hebrews 3&4 which there wasn’t animal sacrifice needed...
 
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Hello LGW, sorry my bad, yes you’re right under the old covenant of animal sacrifice to forgive sins...

But also, Sins can be forgiven through Faith in Believing the gospel of Jesus Christ and you can read in NT writings...Luke 5:20, Acts 13:38 etc

That is ok pasifika,

Thanks for being honest...

So lets recap, before moving forward...

1. We both now agree that God's people in the old covenant are were saved in the same way that God's people before the old covenant and God's people after that old covenant in the new and that is by faith...

2. We both now agree that God's people in the old covenant when they broke anyone of God's 10 commandments received God's forgiveness through animal sacrifices and sin offerings...

So your happy for us to move forward now?
 
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That is ok pasifika,

Thanks for being honest...

So lets recap, before moving forward...

1. We both now agree that God's people in the old covenant are were saved in the same way that God's people before the old covenant and God's people after that old covenant in the new and that is by faith...

2. We both now agree that God's people in the old covenant when they broke anyone of God's 10 commandments received God's forgiveness through animal sacrifices and sin offerings...

So your happy for us to move forward now?
Yes agree
 
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Great thanks pasifika.

These laws we are discussing in the old testament now in regards to the sin offerings are the same laws written in the old testament and discussed in detail in HEBREWS 10:1-24. Have a read of HEBREWS 10:1-24. These same laws for remission of sin in the old covenant are "SHADOW LAW" meaning they have a deeper meaning because in the old covenant these pointed to something that was being fulfilled in the new covenant. It would be good before we continue at the very least to read HEBREWS 10:1-24 now in light of our discussion and even better if you can read HEBREWS 7; HEBREWS 8; HEBREWS 9 and HEBREWS 10.
So with these things in mind I am going to give you some time to answer the next question. Do not feel as though you have to answer it quickly until reading the scriptures above.

My next question is who do you think that these animal sacrifices for sin offerings in the old covenant point to and why and what do you think the earthly Sanctuary and the Levitical Priesthood point to and why?

Take some time to prayerfully read the above scriptures before answering and then let me know your answer when your ready.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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Sorry my bad studyman..yes sins were forgiven by animal sacrifice under old covenant But also by Faith from believing the Gospel...Luke 5:20 etc. the same Gospel they preached to them in Sinai Hebrews 3&4 which there wasn’t animal sacrifice needed...

No worries, this is the point I am making here. There was a Law created by God, because of Transgressions of His Laws, Commandments and Statutes, that was "ADDED" on Mt. Sinai, "til the Seed should come". This Law was given by Covenant to a Tribe of Israel, Levi, whom God had Separated from the rest of the peoples of the world. Abraham was not justified by these "works" as they were not "added" until 430 years after him. The Holy Scriptures teach that Abraham had God's Laws, God's Statutes, and God's Commandments, but HE didn't have the Levitical Priesthood as Levi was not yet born to be separated by God for this purpose.

This Covenant included an earthly Sanctuary/Temple, and also included sacrificial "works" for the atonement of sins, which foreshadowed the Sacrifice God would make on our behalf. Unlike God's Commandments Statutes and Laws, this Covenant was Temporary from it's creation, as God most certainly knew HE would come to earth and become our High Priest "After those days", when HE gave His Priesthood to Levi.. This same God promised as much in Jer. 31 when HE explains HE will bring a "New Covenant" in which God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments will be written on our hearts, not hidden in the Book of the Law inside the Ark and accessible only through a Levite Priest. God goes on to say that HE, not Levite Priests as the old priesthood demanded, would atone for our sins at this time.

The adding of this Priesthood Covenant did not influence God's definition of sin or Righteousness, and the removal of this Priesthood also did not influence God's Definition of Sin or Righteousness.

This is the New Covenant God created to replace the old.

The new covenant taught by the religions of the land is different, as prophesied. They teach that God's Laws that HE promised to write on our hearts are done away with. But the scriptures tell us this is untrue. What changed in the New Covenant is manner in which God's Laws are administered, and the manner in which transgression of these laws are atoned for.

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Jesus became our High Priest thus fulfilling this Law. We wait for the fulfillment of His Prophesied return and subsequent judgment.

There is only one "law" that changed according to the Holy Scriptures, and that is the Priesthood Law which allows only a Levite to partake of the Priesthood of God, as Jesus was from Judah. (See Heb. 7) Nothing else changed according to Scriptures. The Sacrifice was made, and the High Priest atoned for our sins.
 
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No worries, this is the point I am making here. There was a Law created by God, because of Transgressions of His Laws, Commandments and Statutes, that was "ADDED" on Mt. Sinai, "til the Seed should come". This Law was given by Covenant to a Tribe of Israel, Levi, whom God had Separated from the rest of the peoples of the world. Abraham was not justified by these "works" as they were not "added" until 430 years after him. The Holy Scriptures teach that Abraham had God's Laws, God's Statutes, and God's Commandments, but HE didn't have the Levitical Priesthood as Levi was not yet born to be separated by God for this purpose.
How do you come on here and tell us that the laws, statutes and by the way commandments and laws are the same thing? You have no proof to go by and personally I resent that. Why would Abraham have the Sabbath law? He wasn't rescued from Egypt. Why would he have the tithing laws he didn't have the Levital priesthood there to send his cattle and produce? Why would he have all the feast days that represented the things of Israel. Your theory is just plain nonsense.
 
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How do you come on here and tell us that the laws, statutes and by the way commandments and laws are the same thing? You have no proof to go by and personally I resent that.

I find no evidence that the Laws, Commandments and Statutes that God gave Abraham, are different than the Laws, Statutes and Commandments God gave to Abraham's children, excluding His Covenant with Levi on Israel's behalf of course. I am open to any Scriptural evidence you may provide to show God's definition of Holy, Righteousness and sin changed between Abraham and Moses.

According to the Holy Scriptures, the only thing different is how God's Statutes, Laws and Commandments were administered. In the Covenant God made with Levi on Mt. Sinai, God's Laws were to be Administered Specifically though and by Levite Priests, by a Law Abraham didn't have. And the Manner in which sins were atoned for, In the Covenant God made with Levi, sins were atoned for Specifically by sacrificial and ceremonial "works" performed exclusively by the Levites God Separated unto Himself, "works of the law" that Abraham did not have.

Abraham was not justified of his sin by these "atonement laws" given specifically to Levi 430 years after Abraham. His transgressions of God's Laws, Statutes, and Commandments were forgiven by His Faith, shown by his "works", not by "works of the Law" of atonement "added" 430 years later.

It's right there in your Bible.


Why would Abraham have the Sabbath law? [/QUOTE]

Why not? Did the Christ of the Bible create, sanctify and made Holy "for man"?

You have no Scriptural evidence to support the religious doctrine that God's definition of sin and righteousness and Holiness changed between Creation and Abraham or between Abraham and Moses, just philosophies of religious men that "come in His Name".

I don't believe God gave Abraham different judgments than HE gave Abraham's children because there is no Biblical support for this popular religious doctrine. The only thing that changed, according to the Holy Scriptures, was the manner in which God's Laws were administered, and the manner in which transgressions of these laws were atoned for. If you can provide Scriptural evidence that this is untrue, please provide it.

Gen. 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

In your religion, is this verse just a coincidence? Or does this verse have a Spiritual significance about the Blood of Christ? Is this not the Blood and Flesh of the Lamb of God given for Abraham to eat and drink, spiritually speaking?

Gen. 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

So then, Abraham knew of God's High Priest and the Lamb of God, but didn't know that God had sanctified and set apart the 7th day at creation as Holy "For man", and didn't know of the Passover Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Again, I find no Biblical evidence that this is true.

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

In your religious philosophy, is this the Lord, even of the Sabbath Days? Or is there another?

Gen. 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

How was Noah righteous, and the world exceedingly sinful if there was no Law defining sin until Sinai?

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.

How did Noah know which animals were clean and unclean? And Yet he did. So in your religion God showed Noah the truth about HIS judgment of animals, but didn't tell him about His Judgment regarding the 7th day. So then, Noah's sons knew it was against God to "look on the nakedness of their father", but didn't know God had set apart and sanctified the 7th day of the week as "Holy" at creation.

Surely you can see why a person would question these popular religious philosophies of this world, given what the Scriptures actually say.

What if the Scriptures are right, and Abraham did have God's Laws, Commandments and Statutes, but not the Levitical Priesthood which was "added" 430 years later, "because of transgressions"?


He wasn't rescued from Egypt.

Now come on Bob, what is the difference between saving Noah from the flood on the un-Godly, and saving Abraham from the religions of the land he was born into, and saving Abraham's children from Egypt and saving me from sin and deception?? Are we not all saved from the old man and told to follow God on a journey we know not, to the "New Man"? Do you believe Egypt is symbolic of something? If these were examples written for our admonition, then what does Egypt represent in your religion?

Why would he have the tithing laws he didn't have the Levital priesthood there to send his cattle and produce? Why would he have all the feast days that represented the things of Israel. Your theory is just plain nonsense.

Tithes are heave offerings to God from His people. Abraham offered tithes to God through the High Priest.

Hebrew for heave = trumah, a present (as offered up) esp. in sacrifice or tribute. gift, heave offing, oblation, offering.

Num. 18:23 But the Levites shall do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they shall bear their iniquity: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they have no inheritance.

24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

25 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.

God didn't give Abraham's heave offering to the Levites, as per the "added" Law. This Law was not "added" until 430 years later.

At least according to the God of the Bible.

Some "voice" has convinced many that God's Feast Days are only about Israel. But God Himself said These Feast Days were HIS. It is also written that the Christ was "slain from the foundation of the world"? This means Passover happened from the foundation of the World. There is no doubt, given what the Holy Scriptures say, That Abraham knew about Passover.

How could Abraham see HIS Day and not know about the Passover?

It's really sad we can't have an honest discussion about God's Word without getting offended. Cain was offended, the folks God sent the Prophets to were offended, the Mainstream Preachers of Jesus time were offended.

Why can't we engage in an honest examination of these Scriptures and ask and answer each other questions, without getting offended?
 
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No worries, this is the point I am making here. There was a Law created by God, because of Transgressions of His Laws, Commandments and Statutes, that was "ADDED" on Mt. Sinai, "til the Seed should come". This Law was given by Covenant to a Tribe of Israel, Levi, whom God had Separated from the rest of the peoples of the world. Abraham was not justified by these "works" as they were not "added" until 430 years after him. The Holy Scriptures teach that Abraham had God's Laws, God's Statutes, and God's Commandments, but HE didn't have the Levitical Priesthood as Levi was not yet born to be separated by God for this purpose.

This Covenant included an earthly Sanctuary/Temple, and also included sacrificial "works" for the atonement of sins, which foreshadowed the Sacrifice God would make on our behalf. Unlike God's Commandments Statutes and Laws, this Covenant was Temporary from it's creation, as God most certainly knew HE would come to earth and become our High Priest "After those days", when HE gave His Priesthood to Levi.. This same God promised as much in Jer. 31 when HE explains HE will bring a "New Covenant" in which God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments will be written on our hearts, not hidden in the Book of the Law inside the Ark and accessible only through a Levite Priest. God goes on to say that HE, not Levite Priests as the old priesthood demanded, would atone for our sins at this time.

The adding of this Priesthood Covenant did not influence God's definition of sin or Righteousness, and the removal of this Priesthood also did not influence God's Definition of Sin or Righteousness.

This is the New Covenant God created to replace the old.

The new covenant taught by the religions of the land is different, as prophesied. They teach that God's Laws that HE promised to write on our hearts are done away with. But the scriptures tell us this is untrue. What changed in the New Covenant is manner in which God's Laws are administered, and the manner in which transgression of these laws are atoned for.

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Jesus became our High Priest thus fulfilling this Law. We wait for the fulfillment of His Prophesied return and subsequent judgment.

There is only one "law" that changed according to the Holy Scriptures, and that is the Priesthood Law which allows only a Levite to partake of the Priesthood of God, as Jesus was from Judah. (See Heb. 7) Nothing else changed according to Scriptures. The Sacrifice was made, and the High Priest atoned for our sins.
Hello studyman, do you think there are two laws to required God’s righteousness? Paul mentioned those two laws in Romans 3:27...where then is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? NO, because of the law that requires Faith..

The law that requires works is under the Sinai covenant. And the law that requires Faith is about believing the Good news...

The commandments under the Sinai covenant of works, is the 10 commandments..

The commandments under the Gospel is loving God through believing in Him and love others..Matt 22:37-40

And if Sin is transgressions of Gods law then Sin can also be said under the law that requires Faith “ As Anything that does Not come from Faith is Sin” Romans 14:23

As scriptures states that Abraham “Believed” God and his Faith was credit as righteousness..Romans 4:3

Also, isnt the Levitical priesthood also comes under the same old covenant given in Sinai? You think there is a different covenant regarding priesthood given to Israel other then the Sinai covenant?
 
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Hello studyman, do you think there are two laws to required God’s righteousness? Paul mentioned those two laws in Romans 3:27...where then is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? NO, because of the law that requires Faith..

The law that requires works is under the Sinai covenant. And the law that requires Faith is about believing the Good news...

The commandments under the Sinai covenant of works, is the 10 commandments..

What is Paul speaking to here in Rom. 3?

Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Justified from what? Are we not "justified" because we have transgressed God's Commandments and need atonement?

According to Moses, when a man sins how was his sin atoned for? Please answer these questions.

When a man sinned, did Moses tell them to "keep the 10 Commandments" and their sins are forgiven? Are these the "works of the Law" for atonement?

When a man sinned, did Moses tell this man to"Love your neighbor as yourself," and your sins will be forgiven?

When a man sins did Moses tell the man to observe the Feast of Unleavened bread and their sins are forgiven?

No my friend, Moses said if a man sins he MUST go to a Levite Priest, separated from all other peoples of the world, and this Levite Priest will perform sacrificial, Ceremonial "Works" and then your sins are forgiven.

Lev. 4:14 When the sin, which they have sinned against it, is known, then the congregation shall offer a young bullock for the sin, and bring him before the tabernacle of the congregation. 15 And the elders of the congregation shall lay their hands upon the head of the bullock before the LORD: and the bullock shall be killed before the LORD. 16 And the priest that is anointed (Exclusively Levite) shall bring of the bullock's blood to the tabernacle of the congregation:

17 And the priest shall dip his finger in some of the blood, and sprinkle it seven times before the LORD, even before the vail.

18 And he shall put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar which is before the LORD, that is in the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall pour out all the blood at the bottom of the altar of the burnt offering, which is at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

19 And he shall take all his fat from him, and burn it upon the altar.

20 And he shall do with the bullock as he did with the bullock for a sin offering, so shall he do with this: and the priest shall make an atonement for them, and it shall be forgiven them.

So my friend, according to the Word of God which became Flesh, it isn't the 10 Commandments that were given by law for justification, but the Levitical Priesthood that the Bible says changed.


The commandments under the Gospel is loving God through believing in Him and love others..Matt 22:37-40

This is true.

Lev. 19:16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.

17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Duet. 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

This Gospel was taught to Israel, but they didn't mix Faith/belief with the teaching.

Duet. 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

And again;

Heb. 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Please answer my questions. Is there another gospel taught to us and them?


And if Sin is transgressions of Gods law then Sin can also be said under the law that requires Faith “ As Anything that does Not come from Faith is Sin” Romans 14:23

Faith is also belief yes? Consider Paul's teaching here.

Rom. 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, (mans ways) but after the Spirit. (God's ways)

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Who is the Spirit of Life that was in Christ Jesus? Is it not God HIS Father? So what is the LAW of the spirit of Life? And what is the LAW of Sin and death.

So Paul is saying if I Walk in the LAW of the Spirit of Life that is in Christ Jesus, I can be free from the Law of Sin, which is, the soul that sins shall die.

So then when John tells us to "Walk even as He walked" that would be walking in the Law of the Spirit of Life which was in the Christ.

As scriptures states that Abraham “Believed” God and his Faith was credit as righteousness..Romans 4:3

How do we know Abraham believed God? Gen. 12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him;

Also, isnt the Levitical priesthood also comes under the same old covenant given in Sinai? You think there is a different covenant regarding priesthood given to Israel other then the Sinai covenant?

According to Scriptures God Separated Levi from all the peoples of the world, and gave Him a Priesthood Covenant on Israel's behalf, specifically for the purpose of administrating God's Laws, and provide for the atonement of sins. Paul said this Law was "ADDED" 430 years after Abraham.

Here is the God of the Bible talking about His Covenant with Levi.

Mal. 2:4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. (Ex. 23:26)

6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

So what did God do?

Heb. 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, (Levites who caused god's People to go astray)he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

God gave Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob a Covenant. This Covenant included God's Commandments, Statutes, and Laws.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

When God heard Abraham's children cry out in Egypt, He remembered this Covenant.

Ex. 2:23 And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage.

24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.

25 And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them.

But Israel made a golden calf and broke this Covenant. God almost wiped them out.

Ex. 32:10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

But Moses persuaded to God to give them another chance.

Ex. 32:30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.

31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.

32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

This is when God "ADDED" His Covenant with Levi specifically for the atonement of the sins of His People, "because of transgressions as Paul says in Gal. 3:19.

So yes, there was a "Law of Works" for atonement given by Covenant to Levi on Israel's behalf, which was separate from God's Covenant with Abraham given to Israel which was a Law of Faith.
 
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