How will my wife be happy in heaven?

mmksparbud · Sep 2, 2020

Clizby WampusCat said:
No, I said it is proof He has not made Himself known to everyone.

Where did I say I was important to "the rest of the world". Jeez. Why do you constantly put words into my mouth and straw man me all the time. Is this what Jesus exemplified? Stop misrepresent what I say.

How do you know that? I would give up everything for a few people. I guess you would not.

I noticed you just keep asserting that it was a great sacrifice but never addressing my reasons why it was not.

Whatever.

If He considers me his child then he is a crappy father. Not even wanting me to know he exists.

Keep the insults coming I know the God you believe in likes them.

It has nothing to do with intelligence. It has everything to do with evidence. Got any?

Pascals wager of sorts huh. I never said I was too smart I said I have insufficient evidence to believe. You are a mess.

LOL!! He doesn't shove Himself in your face. You can do what those millions you wish to ignore did--
--look around and see. Now, I am not ignoring anything you said, nor am I twisting your words. But you can not seem to comprehend that there is enough evidence for millions of people, but why is it not enough for you? What makes you so different from the rest? How come I can see the hand of God in a flower, and you can not---we look at the same thing. It's not a difference in the flower, it has to be a difference between what you choose to see and what I choose to see. So the problem is not with the creator of the flower---science or God.
I can not help you think it was no great sacrifice. What do you consider a great sacrifice that He did not do for you? What more do you want? His death and whatever He suffered was not enough, what would be enough for you? What more is it you want then eternal life in a world were there is no evil and beaty and streets of gold where nothing dies? What is sufficient suffering and pain and what rewards greater do you need? You've not really explained that, just that what He did is no big deal to you.
As for being a crappy father---what has your earthly father done for you---both have given you life. God has kept you breathing for without Him, none of us would exist. He has given enough evidence for His existence and provided a book to instruct you, which you refuse. He has given you the opportunity to be an inheritor of all He has. He has given you the talents and abilities to make a living for yourself and take care of those around you. Why do you blame Him for not making Himself visible to you when He is visible to millions of others? Again, what is sooooo special about you that He needs to give you more than anyone else? Again, what is it you require?
And I am not insulting you. I am stating what your fellow famous atheists have all said. We are born and we die and we are of no matter and there is nothing to live for, no purpose to our exitance. That is just what they all say, so why do you think I am stupid for believing in Him, and you are smart for not doing so? That is just what all of you say! I am not making it up. What we believe is totally stupid and nonsense. So, I'm insulting you by thinking you are the ones that end up living up to exactly what you believe---we are nothing and growing old and die for nothing---but we think we are everything to our God and heavenly Father and He has far, far more waiting for us--but we're the stupid ones???

Clizby WampusCat said:
Don't be too hard on her, she has just been indoctrinated.

Well, thank You!! I have been indoctrinated through the reading of His word and getting to know the God of the universe and creator of all. I love it! I am 69, in hospice, in a wheel chair and a widow---and I am happy -- for all of my life, all the ups and downs, for everything He has provided for me. I am grateful and will be quit satisfied for whatever He has waiting for me, but most of all, for the fact that one day---I shall see Him and live for eternity. Those who do not believe in Him, can not look upon His face and live. Sin can not live in His light. I will be not only able to see Him but live for eternity looking at His face. I will have the tangible evidence that I long for and can not see now. I wish you the same, but it is your choice.

Clizby WampusCat · Sep 2, 2020

mmksparbud said:
LOL!! He doesn't shove Himself in your face.

Why not?

You can do what those millions you wish to ignore did--
--look around and see. Now, I am not ignoring anything you said, nor am I twisting your words. But you can not seem to comprehend that there is enough evidence for millions of people, but why is it not enough for you? What makes you so different from the rest?

I am no different. I am with the millions that are not convinced. I could ask you why cannot you see that the evidence is unconvincing? It is a matter of being convinced by the evidence. I cannot choose to believe something that I am not convinced of.

How come I can see the hand of God in a flower, and you can not---we look at the same thing.
It's not a difference in the flower, it has to be a difference between what you choose to see and what I choose to see. So the problem is not with the creator of the flower---science or God.

No, I have sufficient evidence that the flower occurred naturally you do not have sufficient evidence to conclude the flower was made by a god in my opinion.

I can not help you think it was no great sacrifice. What do you consider a great sacrifice that He did not do for you? What more do you want? His death and whatever He suffered was not enough, what would be enough for you? What more is it you want then eternal life in a world were there is no evil and beaty and streets of gold where nothing dies? What is sufficient suffering and pain and what rewards greater do you need? You've not really explained that, just that what He did is no big deal to you.

I want sufficient evidence to believe it is true. I value truth.

As for being a crappy father---what has your earthly father done for you---both have given you life. God has kept you breathing for without Him, none of us would exist. He has given enough evidence for His existence and provided a book to instruct you, which you refuse.

If God gave me enough evidence to be convinced then I would believe. It is demonstrably false that God has given me sufficient evidence to conclude He exists. Again you or no one else can say whether or not I have sufficient evidence to believe anything. What if I told you that you have been provided sufficient evidence to believe in Big Foot so why don't you believe that?

He has given you the opportunity to be an inheritor of all He has. He has given you the talents and abilities to make a living for yourself and take care of those around you. Why do you blame Him for not making Himself visible to you when He is visible to millions of others? Again, what is sooooo special about you that He needs to give you more than anyone else? Again, what is it you require?

I have answered this. I require sufficient evidence. God should know what that is if He is all knowing.

And I am not insulting you.

When you flat out call me stupid, yes you are.

I am stating what your fellow famous atheists have all said.

Why? I don't agree with what all the famous atheists have said. I am my own person. Just ask me what I believe not what you think I believe.

We are born and we die and we are of no matter and there is nothing to live for, no purpose to our exitance. That is just what they all say, so why do you think I am stupid for believing in Him, and you are smart for not doing so?

Show me where I have said you are stupid for believing in a god? I have ever said this. I have said the opposite actually. And also they don't say these things. They say there is no ultimate purpose. That does not mean that we have no purpose.

That is just what all of you say!

I don't believe those things. Ask me what I believe if you want a conversation with me.

I am not making it up. What we believe is totally stupid and nonsense. So, I'm insulting you by thinking you are the ones that end up living up to exactly what you believe---we are nothing and growing old and die for nothing---but we think we are everything to our God and heavenly Father and He has far, far more waiting for us--but we're the stupid ones???

Again, I am not calling you stupid. I never have.

Well, thank You!! I have been indoctrinated through the reading of His word and getting to know the God of the universe and creator of all. I love it! I am 69, in hospice, in a wheel chair and a widow---and I am happy -- for all of my life, all the ups and downs, for everything He has provided for me. I am grateful and will be quit satisfied for whatever He has waiting for me, but most of all, for the fact that one day---I shall see Him and live for eternity. Those who do not believe in Him, can not look upon His face and live. Sin can not live in His light. I will be not only able to see Him but live for eternity looking at His face. I will have the tangible evidence that I long for and can not see now. I wish you the same, but it is your choice.

I know you believe this, I don't have sufficient evidence to believe it.

Clizby WampusCat · Sep 2, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
So... I used to be Muslim, just a heads up on that.

Honestly, I can't remember a time I didn't believe in God. Two times God saved my life, miraculously. So throughout my life I only grew in faith about having a creator, and a creator that seemed to take interest in His creation.

But all I knew was Islam, you know? And I believed it, and followed it. I knew Christians, being born in America, but nothing anyone ever said to me of Christ made any sense whatsoever...

So I followed my faith, others followed theirs.

At any rate, I had a family, and a life. Wasn't always great, wasn't always bad. We're all human after all. But my husband was an Islamic extremist, avid Taliban supporter, etc. And he was fairly dangerous... hated Americans with a passion...

I made choices in life that led to some discord between myself and my community. I divorced him, and worked with the FBI and DHS to have him removed and permanently barred from this country.

Of course, this led my life in a bit of a strange direction, and I began working to oppose extremism, and found a nitch working with American Muslims coming out of the prison system to steer them away from extremists, because by then there were problems with them recruiting from subsets of society such as this.

So I did my thing, what I felt was right.. and followed Islam.

But the more time I spent fighting against extremism, the more disillusioned if you will that I became of Islam, in a post 9/11 society... and the more I felt that extremism was the truer representation of that faith.

Which left me a lot confused... but God, in my opinion, wasn't someone you wanted to get on his bad side.. so in a lot of fear and trepidation I tried hard to stomp down every doubt.

But then I met this man, a hillbilly of all people and for whatever reason I felt could ask him anything about Christianity and he would know the answer.

So I let the floodgates open and I began asking... one question after the other, one debate after the other. I told him everything... every doubt, every fear, asked every question...

This went on for a long time, a couple years, and we decided to marry .. we were in love.

I wasn't convinced of Christianity yet... but I had gone far enough to stop praying as a Muslim...

Because our marriage complicated matters that was the day he stopped talking to me about Christianity - because my faith needed to be between myself and God, and he promised to leave it alone... he was happy to have me for a wife, regardless of my faith.

I stopped at that point looking into Christianity at all... I never could get past the roadblock that Christs death on the cross meant to the Christian faith.. I never could understand it.

So I stopped being anything. I couldn't be Muslim, and I couldn't be Christian so although I believed in God, I couldn't follow any faith.

I told God I was willing to follow any religion regardless of what that meant so long as it was true, and so long as it was from Him.. then I walked away...

I became agnostic for a couple years, stopped even thinking about faith, and lived my new life as a wife of this man I loved so much.

Time went by (over a year), and my husband wanted to move back to the land he was born in so we did. My family pretty much hated me, and I felt I was leaving nothing behind... so we moved.

I met and was accepted by his family, I continued identifying myself as a Muslim (was what I was born as anyway) and played homemaker.

About 4 months later I had a dream, and in that dream Jesus' sacrifice was explained to me in a manner I could understand, and I woke up saved... been saved ever since...

That's the very long story short version... because much transpired, much I didn't relate to you...

I can't tell you how many nights I wept for God to show Himself, for God to lead me to His truth.. how much blood sweat and tears were involved before I, like you, gave up on God.

But one night, out of the blue - when I was in a place I was ready for not only His truth, but where I could also follow it, He showed up .. gave me a brand new everything...

And now I know who He is, but also who I am meant to be... His daughter.

Your road will certainly look different than mine... but God will give you a lightbulb moment, however best that works for you, and whenever it is best for you.

Thanks for sharing this. I guess I will wait until God wants me to know He exists.

Paul4JC · Sep 2, 2020

Clizby WampusCat said:
Ok, if I have control then I choose to go to heaven. Done. I was a christian for 18 years I have not seen any evidence I have not already examined. I read McDowell's books when I was a Christian. I am not convinced.

Bro, so how where you christian? Based on what? What did you believe? Is that how you met your wife?

Clizby WampusCat said:
How can this be?

Just like when we lose a love one in this life. There is a time of grief, then we eventually get over. Keeping good memories of loved ones doesn't take much, yet we don't spend our whole lives grieving over those who passed away.

Clizby WampusCat said:
Rev 21:1-8 ESV
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. 4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. 7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

In the same passage it talks about no more pain in heaven while people are burning in the lake of fire.

Yes but does it say zero memories? I don't know. Do you believe in good and evil? Right and wrong? ...and justice for all?

Clizby WampusCat said:
I never said a rapist cannot have genuine faith. The fact is a rapist and his victim will be together in heaven. I guess God will just change the victim to be OK with that.

Kinda like Corrie Ten Boom forgiving the former Nazi guard from concentration camp... Guideposts Classics: Corrie ten Boom on Forgiveness

Clizby WampusCat said:
I don't think you do. You have been convinced of this by the same God that will put you in hell. There is no need for a hell if a loving god just forgives us like he asks us to do for others. He does not forgive anyone he just punishes a different person for the sin. Real forgiveness requires no punishment.

So kinda like no police or rules needed. Commit all the crimes you want, cause God will forgive anyway? Is that the kinda God you want? Forgiveness is free but it's not cheap (Cheap grace) Christ took our place as advocate. Judicial requirements have been met by God himself paying the price. No need to go to hell.

Clizby WampusCat said:
He does not love anyone. He loves the perfect someone. If he does not make you perfect in heaven he cannot love you and will throw you in hell. Will there be any imperfect people in heaven? Why not?

He loves me, and I'm far from perfect. Heaven is another realm so I don't know all the details. It's also another state of consciousness, so things will be processed differently. No we won't be robots, but is says we will be as we would be [1Jo 3:2 ] He will perfect us. Peace.

Hazelelponi · Sep 2, 2020

Clizby WampusCat said:
Thanks for sharing this. I guess I will wait until God wants me to know He exists.

I think that God puts in us the desperation to know, and the willingness to seek Him out....

But sometimes, when you hit a brick wall, you have to stand back some too.

Don't just expect God will do all the work, but I do absolutely 100% believe when we are sincere in our seeking that He meets us halfway...

So if you need to step back for sanities sake, then do. But if you feel that desperate need to know again, go back to it after a break...

Your wife prays for you, your family prays for you... take the time you need to understand. This isn't easy by any stretch of the imagination - until it is...

mmksparbud · Sep 2, 2020

Clizby WampusCat said:
Why not?

Not His style. He He asks, He pleads, He knocks---He doesn't kick the door down.

Clizby WampusCat said:
I am no different. I am with the millions that are not convinced. I could ask you why cannot you see that the evidence is unconvincing? It is a matter of being convinced by the evidence. I cannot choose to believe something that I am not convinced of.

I suppose it is because it has convinced me and so many others. It's not that I don't understand. There was a time I was too angry at God to even speak to Him---for over 20 years, and I told Him so. I plain out loud told Him I did not want Him in my life, that I was happy to go to hell, just leave me alone. Luckily, He didn't listen to me. However, I can't remember a time that I did not believe in Him---I was just very angry at Him. I, however, nor anyone else, can cnvince yu. It is a journey between Him and you. We can only speak about Him and point in His direction. You know---the you can lead a horse to water thing.

Clizby WampusCat said:
Show me where I have said you are stupid for believing in a god? I have ever said this. I have said the opposite actually. And also they don't say these things. They say there is no ultimate purpose. That does not mean that we have no purpose.

OKOK---I I said I accept your reprimand! But, yes, they have called us every thing but our name. In fact, they get downright angry at us for believing such drivel.

Clizby WampusCat said:
Why? I don't agree with what all the famous atheists have said. I am my own person. Just ask me what I believe not what you think I believe.

LOL! OK!

Clizby WampusCat said:
I know you believe this, I don't have sufficient evidence to believe it.

And I can't give you any---but how come you do not answer the questions I asked? I would like to know those thongs.

Moral Orel · Sep 2, 2020

mmksparbud said:
LOL!! Just state it like it is. They think we are stupid, ignorant, uneducated and a totally useless mess---not to mention dangerous. Maybe I should used the word---dense? Still too much? What do you suggest? I'll change it!

I've been reading the whole thread, no one has said anything of the sort, so don't try to pin your projection on us. And I'm not going to tell you what to say. I'd rather know what you really think than have you tell me what I want to hear.

Redac · Sep 2, 2020

Clizby WampusCat said:
The God will override her thoughts about me. That is changing her into someone that she is not.

Do you believe that your wife's very identity, her soul, the fundamental essence of her being into eternity, revolves around her thoughts and feelings about you? That if she came to view her earthly relationship with you in a different light upon standing before God Himself, that she would no longer be, well, her? If so, that's an incredible amount of hubris on your part. What makes you so special that you should matter more to who she is than God?

There's this idea among a lot of people, religious or otherwise, that Heaven is really all about being with those you loved on Earth. About being with your husband or wife, or your parents, or friends, or your pets, or whatever. While that's something to hope for and look forward to, being with your favorite human being isn't actually the point.

All that aside, I think the Church's doctrine on Purgatory actually deals with this kind of thing. To my understanding, simply put, God doesn't override someone's thoughts against their will.

com7fy8 · Sep 2, 2020

Clizby WampusCat said:
How is he personal? describe you personal relationship with God. Is it anything like your personal relationship with others? I bet not.

Personal means, included, He can effect me inside of me with love which is quiet, kind, sensitive, and perfect in quality and pureness, and makes me loving and caring for any person, at all.

And one time I was in a major rage at my mother, and His love shined to me, and I was like, "oh-oh, this is not how I am being with her." He didn't need to say a word.

But there are people who live in His love, I would say; so yes their way of relating can help me to also get more into His way of loving. I know . . . one, two, three, four . . . who are not how many humans are being brought up by humans. They always know how to relate with me; their example is enough so they don't need to say a word to me, about how I still need to get more real with God and how I relate and stay out of my self-righteous and immoral-imagination stuff, which are still my two main issues, I would say.

But He and they enforce forgiveness, not arguing, having hope for any impossible person.

Oh yes, I would say we have some like this in these forums. I did not include them in my "count".

com7fy8 · Sep 2, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
When you come to a reasoned belief, God himself will cause trust to grow over time, based on your personal experience with Him.

Clizby WampusCat said:
Nope.

Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. Heb 11-1-2 NIV

This explicitly says faith is confidence in what we hope for. Not what we have confidence in based on evidence. It also says it is being assured of what we cannot see. Blindness is not seeing so the Bible describes a blind faith.

If you want to define faith as having confidence in something based on good evidence, like your surgery outcome, then I agree I have faith. I do not have faith as the bible describes and neither do you.

Another translation says faith is the "evidence" of things we do not see. My Greek dictionary source says "evidence" can mean > "proof" or "conviction". But proof and conviction can be assurance. So, I consider this can mean faith is not blind . . . even if we do not see with your physical eyes. We can see by means of spiritual sense, with God giving us this.

And "believe" can mean "commit" > the Greek word for "believe" is translated for how Jesus would not "commit" Himself to certain people > John 2:24. And in the case of Jesus, such believing would not be blind if He did commit to them.

So, as Hazel Pony is saying, I would say, faith can mean trusting, not only intellectual believing. Believing can mean trusting, which goes beyond mental acceptance of information.

But may be Hazel Pony and you and I could have an interesting discussion about if we agree that faith is "reasoned". I personally consider faith can be based on proof of actual experience of God, not only reasoning with information. But there can be reasoning included, including however a person becomes enlightened by God's word while coming to trust in Christ (Ephesians 1:12).

"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17)

To me, this means God gives us personal connection in us with God, so each of us is "one spirit with Him." This would be a form of commitment and trust: how we are one with God in us. And there is a sort of belief which comes with actual union with God in His love (Romans 5:5). This spiritual connection would be evidence or assurance of Him who is not seen with natural eyes, giving us actual experience which physical things and a human mind can not prove to us.

Clizby WampusCat said:
If you do have a reasoned faith what are your reasons or reasoning?

Though I go first by actual experience . . . testing what God actually does with me or not . . . I have intellectual things of how I find God's word to be logical and all to fit with everything else. So, that is my reasoning level, but not what I depend on.

But Paul says we need "faith working through love" > Galatians 5:6 > to me, this now means how my connection spiritual with God works by means of His love which effects me through this union. So, beliefs and what I think are not the locomotive, in any case. But what really does me good, now, in the Bible, is how any scripture can be used to help me do better in sharing with God and how He has me loving. So, faith is mainly for how I can have family love with God and people who are my Jesus brothers and sisters . . . while also love "hopes all things" for any non-Christian person (1 Corinthians 13:7).

Hazelelponi · Sep 2, 2020

com7fy8 said:
This spiritual connection would be evidence or assurance of Him who is not seen with natural eyes, giving us actual experience

I had to reason through it all until I came to belief - then came the relationship (like a flood)...

Richard T · Sep 2, 2020

com7fy8 said:
This, of course . . . I would say . . . is not what the Bible is making a point of directly answering. God knows; and His word tells us there is eternity with Jesus or eternity in the lake of fire.

It is not, I now think of this, merely a point of where we are, but with whom we are. If we are getting more and more to know Jesus, we care most about how we will be with Him, not merely where we will be . . . I would say.

But there are people who are so into themselves, that Jesus isn't good enough for them. But Jesus so suffered and died for us so we may become God's children and not go to hell. So, Jesus is not the one with the conceit problem.

As we can see, Satan is so ruined, that he is trying to make himself the judge of Jesus. And ones who have so much in common with him could spend eternity with him.

So . . . now we join Jesus in doing all we can to love and bless and help people to trust in Jesus. And we are humble, knowing only God can do what really works with a person . . . to prove Himself to someone. So . . . when we know someone denied Christ to the death, we can be humble and not make a big thing of it since we trusted God about that person, knowing that even all Jesus did was not good enough for him or her; so it would be stupid to keep on suffering about that person.

And learn a lesson from the one who is too conceited to want God's own Son. Because any of us can in true reality be conceited, too, at times, not considering Jesus on the cross to be enough for us. But, instead, we can ignore how Jesus loves, by arguing and complaining and not forgiving and by worrying and stressing, instead of appreciating Him > this is so conceited, too > how we trust and even obey things like worry and arguing and unforgiveness, instead of trusting and submitting to Jesus in His "rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:28-30)

Another item > Isaiah 65:17 says >

"'For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
. And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.'"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Isaiah 65:17)

From this, I see how God will change us so we are in His love where there will be no memory of this past created existence. So, likewise, in the presence of Jesus our attention will be to Jesus, not to Satan and his, to say the least!

It is like if you have been bullied in school, but you get home to a surprise birthday party . . . you very possibly will not be thinking about the bully while you are enjoying the ones loving you at the party. And if the bully apologized and then shows up at the party . . . so much the better

Both those guys hanging next to Jesus were badmouthing Him, at first, according to what I read in Matthew 27:44; so they had a major conceit problem, to say the least. But in Luke 23:34-43 we see that Jesus prayed forgiveness to the ones hating Him. And then is when we see how one of those guys admits he deserves to be there and he trusts Jesus to remember him when Jesus comes in His kingdom.

So, what I consider is both guys were acting evil, at first, but the prayer of Jesus Christ's forgiveness got one of them to change so he trusted in Jesus. He got changed out of his conceit problem in which possibly he had considered himself undeserving of being there. Plus, he realized who Jesus is and got saved and adopted to become a brother of Jesus! How wonderful!! Thank You, God our Heavenly Father!!!

Jesus is quoted as praying for forgiveness. But I now consider this > our Father did more than only forgive that criminal; God changed him to become humble and discover who Jesus is; and He had His Son Jesus adopt the man to become a child of God. So, our Father did more than perhaps what Jesus asked in prayer. And this could be for us, to encourage us how God does more and better than we ask.

So we can consider, then, how prayer in love can accomplish so much. And if you are getting encouraged with this . . . note how now you are not merely thinking of people who are in hell > because you are so busy with how there is hope for ones still on this earth. And your attention has become appreciative of God through Jesus. So, like this - - - with loving, our attention is with Jesus; we are stupid if we let evil people decide if we are blessed with Jesus or not, to say the least; plus we are stupid to allow evil to control our attention. But be blessed with how Jesus has us pray with hope for ones who do not love and honor Him.

Love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7).

That is a great reply. I did not know that Isaiah scripture, ... where we will remember the former no more. So will even remember our family that is in heaven? Also, if there are rewards in heaven based on what we did here on earth and others can see them, then all will still be grateful but won't the lowly know they barely made it? Seems to me that it would be a reminder of the past.

com7fy8 · Sep 3, 2020

Richard T said:
So will even remember our family that is in heaven?

First, since this is Clisby's thread > will his wife remember him if she is in heaven and he isn't?

My opinion is our attention will be enraptured and captured with Jesus, most of all. Notice how Job became when he saw Jesus. That wiped out a lot of stuff, including maybe how he had been suffering.

Maybe it is like this > when I see my sweetie, my attention can be away from others whom I love.

And how your family has been on this earth will not be how they will be in eternity. Each one will have reaped so much more of howsoever each one has been becoming. So, how we are now won't be relevant, then.

"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life." (Galatians 6:7-8)

So, in case Clisby's wife has been investing in becoming how Jesus is and loves, after she dies she will become resurrected in this to be spiritual only in God's own love. But this starts now > already we have God's love "in our hearts" (Romans 5:5); I would say curing our nature now > 1 John 4:17. And then she will be so not how she is now. Plus, the memories of this inferior world will be passed away. She will be only functional in love, with all love is able to feel and think about. Evil and any inferior whatever will not have power to invade.

So, now is our time to be conscious about ones around us and about the evil . . . so we can care now and do what God makes us able to do now. But then our attention will be, maybe I could say . . . specialized. Our specialization now includes to care about and have hope for any and all people here. But this will not be our job description in eternity with Jesus. Except, of course, in that parable Abraham did have that little talk with the rich man in hell; but that was while there still were the man's brothers on this earth.

And another item > Jesus says >

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

When at times I hear certain believers saying they are so glad they will see their loved ones in Heaven, I get concerned that may be they are mainly loving only ones who have loved them. In Jesus, our love family is bigger than our natural family, plus the quality of love can be much better.

So, if we have become all-loving with Jesus, in eternity we possibly will not be thinking of even family members if they stubbornly lived in self-favoring ways of loving only ones they decided were good enough for them or whom they were using for what they want.

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Also, if there are rewards in heaven based on what we did here on earth and others can see them, then all will still be grateful but won't the lowly know they barely made it?

Yes, our Apostle Peter does say something about the righteous "scarcely" getting saved > 1 Peter 4:17-18.

Even so > how about Romans 8:29? To me, this means every child of God will be conformed to the image of Jesus. If God has changed a person to be and love like Jesus (1 John 4:17), such a one is pleasing to our Father like Jesus is, I would say; so may this will mean he or she will not be barely making it.

What I have learned is that yes rewards might be different, but each person's basic will be conformity to Jesus. Positions might be different, but all will be in the same love. Feed on how Jesus has claimed in prayer to our Father . . . how You our Father "have loved them as You have loved Me." (John 17:23)

So, Clizby's wife, if she is with Jesus, will be experiencing being loved as our Father loves Jesus. This, I would say, will effect where her attention is if she is with Jesus for eternity.

So, I would not plan on barely making it, but trust how God is able. And feed on His word about His standard for us, of how we are told to become and relate in His love > including Ephesians 5:21, 1 Peter 5:3, Ephesians 4:31-32, Ephesians 5:2, and Colossians 3:19.

And about all which is possible in intimate sharing with God, we have Philippians 2:13-16 with Colossians 3:15 with 1 Peter 3:4.

This will effect where our attention is

How will my wife be happy in heaven?

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