How will my wife be happy in heaven?

Clizby WampusCat · Sep 2, 2020

mmksparbud said:
What is evil to someone who does not believe there is a God? How can you believe in evil. It is just life. It is the process of evolution, dog eat dog, the higher over the lower. The actual title of Darwin's book was
On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life

I wonder if you are ever going to ask me what I believe instead of straw manning me?

Natural selection. Favored races for those who were not white were just above animals--and must be treated kindly. How nice of him. It is that thinking that brought in the ovens of WW2. Not evil, just the natural progression of man over the less "favored." Hitler treated his dog better than he treated any human around him.

Ask Hitler, I am not him.

For what have any atheist to answer to, what do they live for if not themselves, for there is nothing waiting for you after you die.

Why not ask me instead of telling me I have nothing to live for or answer to. Do you want to have a conversation and learn about different ideas or just keep spouting off your uninformed diatribes?

That is it, whatever you have on this earth is all you will ever have and you can't take it with you.

This is the first thing you have gotten right.

Whatever morality you all have is given to you by God---without that, you'd be no better than Hitler was.

I am sad that you believe this about yourself and others. This is what your religion has done to you.

It's no wonder there are so many suicides, there is no reason for you to live.

Again, why not ask me what my reasons are to keep living or why I have goals and dreams without a god? Maybe there are suicides because people telling them they have nothing to live for if they are not a believer.

Just whatever you have managed to collect so you can survive. And hope, if your children survive, they they can profit from whatever you managed to accumulate, if they don't blow it all. We have no reason for being born. Just live whatever life you can and then die. Nothing else for you. If you manage to find a human partner that loves you, odds are it won't last and even your children will end up hating you.

Just stop. You know nothing about me. Your view of life without a god belief is distorted because of your religious beliefs. Again, you have never asked me one thing about myself or what I believe about these topics. You have just asserted I must feel and do things. Do you think this is an effective way to love others?

We have a purpose for being born, God loves us and we live for that love for it is perfect and will never fade away, and for the life eternal we will receive and all the wealth and beauty that is His who creates diamonds from dirt. Gold is the pavement of the city He has built for us. So you go right ahead and smirk and think we are fools who believe in fairy tales--- we will see who is the fool.

Now you are calling me names huh. All I am asking for is sufficient evidence that God exist and that He is moral. God could do that easy if He wishes to. So either God does not want to provide the evidence or god does not exist. Either way I cannot tell the difference.

Clizby WampusCat · Sep 2, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
That's a key sentence there... One you really might like to consider..

You won't accept any truth on faith, regardless of whether or not it's true.

Yes, because there is no way to know if something is true by faith as described in the bible.

I'm going in for major surgery next week - and I'm talking major surgery that will take a minimum of 1 year to recover from if I even recover. (Its high risk).

I am sorry, I hope it goes well.

I am going in on faith, that the doctors know what they are doing based on the evidence that they went to school to learn... I have some evidence, sure, but the rest I am taking on faith alone.

Then we have a difference opinion of what faith is. You have evidence that the surgery can go well because of the doctors credentials and past experience. That is confidence not faith.

Faith they aren't going to put me in a wheelchair even though its entirely possible, faith they weren't "skate by and party" students when learning this field, faith. I am relying more on faith here than I am on evidence.

I would say not. No one can tell the future, having hope or confidence that it will be OK is based on the past experience of others that have been through it or done the operation. My wife three years ago had a serious surgery. We had confidence in the science and doctors that it would be successful. There was no guarantee it would be successful but it was demonstrably more probable than if she did not have the surgery. Basing unknown outcomes on past experience and science is not faith as described in the bible in my opinion. Where is the evidence for God equivalent to what you have for your surgery?

God isn't going to stand in front of you and allow you to weigh and measure him, test him until your satisfied with His Godhead..

Why not? If my child thought I did not exist or was immoral I would want to clear that up.

You will always have to take some things on faith alone, until your face to face with Him. If we can have faith in our fellow humans, why can't we have faith in God?

You are conflating confidence and faith. We can not know anything with 100% confidence, but we can know many things with a high level of confidence. This is what we should strive to do.

You have faith your car won't break down today when you go to work, but it could.... however, more times than not your car doesn't break down, so you live according to the faith you don't need a back-up vehicle, and a back-up for your backup ..

That is not faith as described in the bible. That is based on experience. Faith as described in the bible is believing things are true because we hope they are true. I believe it is more likely that my car will start the next day because my experience is that cars start almost all the time.

We do many things based on faith, with limited evidence because we are designed to trust and have faith.

No, it is because we don't have the time or ability to know anything with 100% confidence. You are conflating faith and confidence.

You might want to consider - just think about it, meditate about it, about why our reasonable and reasoned faith is some major blockade for you where God is concerned.

It is because your faith is not based on good evidence in my opinion. It is based on good evidence that my car will start tomorrow. Not the same thing.

Clizby WampusCat · Sep 2, 2020

Lost4words said:
Said like a true atheist.

What does this mean?

Gid bless you

I am going to assume this is out of a habit and a good place.

Clizby WampusCat · Sep 2, 2020

Redac said:
A slightly different approach to this kind of question: if your wife is in Heaven, directly in the presence of Almighty God Himself, experiencing His love and glory in a way we can only try to imagine, then why should your presence or absence be as important or even more important to her than that?

The God will override her thoughts about me. That is changing her into someone that she is not.

Clizby WampusCat · Sep 2, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
I came from a totally different set of life experiences than yourself, so what led to me becoming saved isn't going to be echoed in your experience.

As far as there being no thinking involved? You better believe it required thinking for me, and years of working through everything...

It was no small matter.... not at all. I wasn't saved until I decided knowing and following the truth mattered more than anything, even my life...

These are the same reasons I lost my belief. By an honest study of the bible and christian doctrine and a belief to want to know what is true. Why would God let me have a different outcome?

Your coming from a completely different set of experiences... what God does with me isn't going to be the same with you...

So why would God let me lose my faith when I was trying to confirm it was true?

However, I do know what God is like

How?

Hazelelponi · Sep 2, 2020

Clizby WampusCat said:
Faith as described in the bible is believing things are true because we hope they are true.

No... that's where your incorrect in your assessment of Biblical faith.

It is true that one of the definitions for faith in Webster’s is “firm belief in something for which there is no proof.” However, the primary definition is “allegiance to a duty or a person.” And a later definition is especially helpful: “complete trust.”

Trust is really the key word to think of when you encounter the word faith in Scripture. If you look up its Greek counterpart (πίστις, pistis) in a lexicon, you will see definitions like these: “that which evokes trust and faith…state of believing on the basis of the reliability of the one trusted” (A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature). Notice that this definition revolves around trust, and that this trust is not blind or unthinking, but is based on evidence – “the reliability of the one trusted.”

Jesus did indeed say, “Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” (John 20:29). But the context of this statement has to do with the refusal of Thomas to believe in the testimony of the disciples. They had seen the risen Jesus on an earlier occasion when Thomas was absent (John 20:19-23). When he returned to their gathering, the rest of the apostles told Thomas about what they had seen with their own eyes, but he refused to accept this testimony. “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe” (John 20:25). On the heels of this expression of disbelief Jesus once again appeared in the place where the disciples were gathered, this time with Thomas in attendance.

Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:26-28).

Jesus replied to this astonishing confession with a question and a blessing: “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” (John 20:29). Thomas believed because of his personal, eyewitness encounter with Jesus, but not everyone would be able to have such an experience. But they could nevertheless believe that Jesus rose from the dead. How? The testimony of the eyewitnesses.

This is exactly what John goes on to say in the next two verses:

Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name (John 20:30-31).

According to this text, faith is not a blind leap into irrationality. It is the decision to trust in Jesus as the Messiah based on the eyewitness testimony of the apostles. Thomas did not believe their testimony, but many people through the centuries have. And those people “who have not seen and yet have believed” are blessed according to Jesus.

Blind Faith or Reasoned Faith?

Context is everything.... Christianity isn't blind faith without reason. It is a very reasoned trust in our Creator and the Messiah He sent to save us.

Work through however YOU must, just don't expect God to be willing to stand before you while you weigh and measure and test Him (any more than I was in attendance at my doctors school while he got his degree so i could examine whether I could trust him with a scalpel now).

When you come to a reasoned belief, God himself will cause trust to grow over time, based on your personal experience with Him.

Tinker Grey · Sep 2, 2020

"Trust" doesn't apply to the existence of gods. I cannot trust a thing that I don't believe exists to exist. If there is trust involved, it is trusting what fallible humans have told you or trusting your own fallible perceptions.

Hazelelponi · Sep 2, 2020

Clizby WampusCat said:
So why would God let me lose my faith when I was trying to confirm it was true?

Perhaps just to bring you back into faith in the right manner.

If you can lose it, then you never had it to begin with.

So why not start over from scratch, in order that you come to faith in the best manner possible, one that has a solid foundation, not sand.

In 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 Paul was speaking of a sinner he was putting out of the church. He said it in this way:

When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

Sometimes you have to put someone out completely, in order to bring them back in, thereby they become saved.

Trust that God has his reasons, and His reasons are for your betterment... maybe when you are brought back in, you'll have faith that can move mountains..

but you had to go out in order to get it.. so don't stop, there is something for you to learn, even here.

com7fy8 · Sep 2, 2020

Clizby WampusCat said:
Asking honest questions about tings that you don't understand is not conceit but honesty.

I have explanations. But I do not trust in them. I trust God. This is possibly what I would tell a child.

God is personal with us; He is not distant and theoretical.

And His word tells us what becomes of us if we submit to Him. This is what I talk about with people, for example >

"the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (in Philippians 4:6-7)

God is almighty; so this peace is almighty to succeed easily in guarding my mind from cruel and chaotic stuff. I experience this.

Clizby WampusCat · Sep 2, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
No... that's where your incorrect in your assessment of Biblical faith.

It is true that one of the definitions for faith in Webster’s is “firm belief in something for which there is no proof.” However, the primary definition is “allegiance to a duty or a person.” And a later definition is especially helpful: “complete trust.”

Trust is really the key word to think of when you encounter the word faith in Scripture. If you look up its Greek counterpart (πίστις, pistis) in a lexicon, you will see definitions like these: “that which evokes trust and faith…state of believing on the basis of the reliability of the one trusted” (A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature). Notice that this definition revolves around trust, and that this trust is not blind or unthinking, but is based on evidence – “the reliability of the one trusted.”

Jesus did indeed say, “Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” (John 20:29). But the context of this statement has to do with the refusal of Thomas to believe in the testimony of the disciples. They had seen the risen Jesus on an earlier occasion when Thomas was absent (John 20:19-23). When he returned to their gathering, the rest of the apostles told Thomas about what they had seen with their own eyes, but he refused to accept this testimony. “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe” (John 20:25). On the heels of this expression of disbelief Jesus once again appeared in the place where the disciples were gathered, this time with Thomas in attendance.

Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:26-28).

Jesus replied to this astonishing confession with a question and a blessing: “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” (John 20:29). Thomas believed because of his personal, eyewitness encounter with Jesus, but not everyone would be able to have such an experience. But they could nevertheless believe that Jesus rose from the dead. How? The testimony of the eyewitnesses.

This is exactly what John goes on to say in the next two verses:

Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name (John 20:30-31).

According to this text, faith is not a blind leap into irrationality. It is the decision to trust in Jesus as the Messiah based on the eyewitness testimony of the apostles. Thomas did not believe their testimony, but many people through the centuries have. And those people “who have not seen and yet have believed” are blessed according to Jesus.

Blind Faith or Reasoned Faith?

Context is everything.... Christianity isn't blind faith without reason. It is a very reasoned trust in our Creator and the Messiah He sent to save us.

Work through however YOU must, just don't expect God to be willing to stand before you while you weigh and measure and test Him (any more than I was in attendance at my doctors school while he got his degree so i could examine whether I could trust him with a scalpel now).

When you come to a reasoned belief, God himself will cause trust to grow over time, based on your personal experience with Him.

Nope.

Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. Heb 11-1-2 NIV

This explicitly says faith is confidence in what we hope for. Not what we have confidence in based on evidence. It also says it is being assured of what we cannot see. Blindness is not seeing so the Bible describes a blind faith.

If you want to define faith as having confidence in something based on good evidence, like your surgery outcome, then I agree I have faith. I do not have faith as the bible describes and neither do you.

Later it says this in verse 6:

And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

So it seems that you cannot please God without faith and since we both have the same "faith" then we are either both pleasing God or both not pleasing Him.

If you do have a reasoned faith what are your reasons or reasoning?

Clizby WampusCat · Sep 2, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
Perhaps just to bring you back into faith in the right manner.

He had the chance, He could have done anything to convince me. He chose not to.

If you can lose it, then you never had it to begin with.

Nonsense. It is the opposite. I cannot lose what I never had. I had faith god existed, i believed he did just like you.

So why not start over from scratch, in order that you come to faith in the best manner possible, one that has a solid foundation, not sand.

I did that. He never showed up. How is studying, praying, begging god to reveal himself for over a year not good enough for God?

In 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 Paul was speaking of a sinner he was putting out of the church. He said it in this way:

When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

Sometimes you have to put someone out completely, in order to bring them back in, thereby they become saved.

Trust that God has his reasons, and His reasons are for your betterment... maybe when you are brought back in, you'll have faith that can move mountains..

but you had to go out in order to get it.. so don't stop, there is something for you to learn, even here.

This is just a stupid apologetic to make you feel better about your faith. I here this all the time. I must have done something wrong because it could never be that God is not a jerk or that he does not exist. It was very painful to lose my faith, spent many days in anguish and confusion, something you should consider before you spout your nonsense.

Clizby WampusCat · Sep 2, 2020

com7fy8 said:
I have explanations. But I do not trust in them. I trust God. This is possibly what I would tell a child.

God is personal with us; He is not distant and theoretical.

How is he personal? describe you personal relationship with God. Is it anything like your personal relationship with others? I bet not.

And His word tells us what becomes of us if we submit to Him. This is what I talk about with people, for example >

"the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (in Philippians 4:6-7)

God is almighty; so this peace is almighty to succeed easily in guarding my mind from cruel and chaotic stuff. I experience this.

Great. Thanks.

Hazelelponi · Sep 2, 2020

Clizby WampusCat said:
This explicitly says faith is confidence in what we hope for.

What is the blessed hope of the New Covenant we are in?

A.) That we will be saved from the wrath of God on the Day of Judgment through the precious blood of Jesus our Messiah.

Our confidence is in Christ's work..

Again, context is everything in understanding what is being discussed. It's not about blind faith in Christ's existence.

We know from History He existed, we have eye witness testimony of His resurrection, and people for millennia now willing to die upon this rock...

"This rock" being the hope of their salvation through the finished Work of Christ, which they won't see until they stand before God.

Hazelelponi · Sep 2, 2020

Clizby WampusCat said:
for over a year not good enough for God?

Took me longer than a year...

Clizby WampusCat · Sep 2, 2020

mmksparbud said:
I know that. I only mentioned them because you said that you---one measly person, is proof that God has not made Himself known, but so what, it's your problem, not His.

No, I said it is proof He has not made Himself known to everyone.

He has made Himself known to millions, so there is certainly enough evidence for them to believe. It is noit enough evidence for you---which in the whole realm of things, means nothing. You are important only to God, not the rest of the world, however much you think otherwise.

Where did I say I was important to "the rest of the world". Jeez. Why do you constantly put words into my mouth and straw man me all the time. Is this what Jesus exemplified? Stop misrepresent what I say.

Read what you said---because that is exactly what He did. He gave up everything, spent 33 1/2 years here as a man in poverty, suffered His little weekend of torture for your miserable little soul, which no one in this whole universe would have done for you, as you are simply not worth it.

How do you know that? I would give up everything for a few people. I guess you would not.

Except to Him. In the scope of things, you are a speck of sand in a world of sand. We are all so impressed you think it was nothing, for that is exactly what you are nothing---but He did it for you anyway.

I noticed you just keep asserting that it was a great sacrifice but never addressing my reasons why it was not.

Threats? What threats? To say you will find out one day is a threat??? No, it is a certainty. We both will. You will die, that is not a threat. It is a certainty. So will I. If you are tight, you will never know it. If you are wrong, you will know that also. No threat.

Whatever.

But that is exactly what Jesus did. He died for those children that He created. But He is, in comparison to them, a being far grander and far more superior to you as you are above a dog, or even less---in comparison, you are a worthless ant.
But if you were to die for your dog---it would mean nothing. For you have nothing to offer that beast for your life. You are as much of no value, as that dog, and can give him nothing that would give that dog eternal life with all that he would ever need or want. But He still considers you as His child, and He died for you, even though you reject His gift, His gift is still there in case you change your mind. Not that I think you will----you're not that smart.

If He considers me his child then he is a crappy father. Not even wanting me to know he exists.

Keep the insults coming I know the God you believe in likes them.

I?----I do not have to do anything. I do not save. Only Jesus can do that. He has done everything all ready. It's entirely up to you and you think you are too smart for that when in reality, you are just plain too stupid, it is more than enough for millions, but not for you.

It has nothing to do with intelligence. It has everything to do with evidence. Got any?

Millions can see it, but not you---much too smart to fall for that! I don't have to prove a single thing to you. God gives the choice, not me. There are only 2 sides. You are either on His side, or the side of His adversary. Satan is determined to have you, Satan can not give you anything. Jesus can give you everything, we will see who wins you one day. Neither of us will know until then, if He is not real, you will never know, if He is, then you will loose everything, but you don't think it exists anyway so will have missed out on nothing, but eternal, life with a non-existent being surrounding by incomparable wealth and beauty. No big deal since you do not value the gift nor the giver.

Pascals wager of sorts huh. I never said I was too smart I said I have insufficient evidence to believe. You are a mess.

Hazelelponi · Sep 2, 2020

Clizby WampusCat said:
If you do have a reasoned faith what are your reasons or reasoning

Do you want to hear my testimony?

Clizby WampusCat · Sep 2, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
What is the blessed hope of the New Covenant we are in?

A.) That we will be saved from the wrath of God on the Day of Judgment through the precious blood of Jesus our Messiah.

Our confidence is in Christ's work..

Again, context is everything in understanding what is being discussed. It's not about blind faith in Christ's existence.

There is evidence Jesus existed just not good evidence the Jesus described in the Bible ever existed.

We know from History He existed, we have eye witness testimony of His resurrection...

No, you have no eyewitness testimony. You have copies of copies of stories of eyewitness testimonies.

, and people for millennia now willing to die upon this rock...

That is not evidence for his existence or the truth ofteh resurrection. It is evidence that people believed the stories are true.

"This rock" being the hope of their salvation through the finished Work of Christ, which they won't see until they stand before God.

I have better evidence that Big Foot is real. I have actual eyewitness testimony of people that claimed to see one that I can talk to directly, I also have pictures and videos that are claimed to be of Big Foot. I have actual casts of big feet I can look at. No evidence like this exists for Jesus or his resurrection.

Clizby WampusCat · Sep 2, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
Took me longer than a year...

So. It took other people less.

Clizby WampusCat · Sep 2, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
Do you want to hear my testimony?

Yes please.

Hazelelponi · Sep 2, 2020

Clizby WampusCat said:
Yes please.

So... I used to be Muslim, just a heads up on that.

Honestly, I can't remember a time I didn't believe in God. Two times God saved my life, miraculously. So throughout my life I only grew in faith about having a creator, and a creator that seemed to take interest in His creation.

But all I knew was Islam, you know? And I believed it, and followed it. I knew Christians, being born in America, but nothing anyone ever said to me of Christ made any sense whatsoever...

So I followed my faith, others followed theirs.

At any rate, I had a family, and a life. Wasn't always great, wasn't always bad. We're all human after all. But my husband was an Islamic extremist, avid Taliban supporter, etc. And he was fairly dangerous... hated Americans with a passion...

I made choices in life that led to some discord between myself and my community. I divorced him, and worked with the FBI and DHS to have him removed and permanently barred from this country.

Of course, this led my life in a bit of a strange direction, and I began working to oppose extremism, and found a nitch working with American Muslims coming out of the prison system to steer them away from extremists, because by then there were problems with them recruiting from subsets of society such as this.

So I did my thing, what I felt was right.. and followed Islam.

But the more time I spent fighting against extremism, the more disillusioned if you will that I became of Islam, in a post 9/11 society... and the more I felt that extremism was the truer representation of that faith.

Which left me a lot confused... but God, in my opinion, wasn't someone you wanted to get on his bad side.. so in a lot of fear and trepidation I tried hard to stomp down every doubt.

But then I met this man, a hillbilly of all people and for whatever reason I felt could ask him anything about Christianity and he would know the answer.

So I let the floodgates open and I began asking... one question after the other, one debate after the other. I told him everything... every doubt, every fear, asked every question...

This went on for a long time, a couple years, and we decided to marry .. we were in love.

I wasn't convinced of Christianity yet... but I had gone far enough to stop praying as a Muslim...

Because our marriage complicated matters that was the day he stopped talking to me about Christianity - because my faith needed to be between myself and God, and he promised to leave it alone... he was happy to have me for a wife, regardless of my faith.

I stopped at that point looking into Christianity at all... I never could get past the roadblock that Christs death on the cross meant to the Christian faith.. I never could understand it.

So I stopped being anything. I couldn't be Muslim, and I couldn't be Christian so although I believed in God, I couldn't follow any faith.

I told God I was willing to follow any religion regardless of what that meant so long as it was true, and so long as it was from Him.. then I walked away...

I became agnostic for a couple years, stopped even thinking about faith, and lived my new life as a wife of this man I loved so much.

Time went by (over a year), and my husband wanted to move back to the land he was born in so we did. My family pretty much hated me, and I felt I was leaving nothing behind... so we moved.

I met and was accepted by his family, I continued identifying myself as a Muslim (was what I was born as anyway) and played homemaker.

About 4 months later I had a dream, and in that dream Jesus' sacrifice was explained to me in a manner I could understand, and I woke up saved... been saved ever since...

That's the very long story short version... because much transpired, much I didn't relate to you...

I can't tell you how many nights I wept for God to show Himself, for God to lead me to His truth.. how much blood sweat and tears were involved before I, like you, gave up on God.

But one night, out of the blue - when I was in a place I was ready for not only His truth, but where I could also follow it, He showed up .. gave me a brand new everything...

And now I know who He is, but also who I am meant to be... His daughter.

Your road will certainly look different than mine... but God will give you a lightbulb moment, however best that works for you, and whenever it is best for you.

How will my wife be happy in heaven?

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