Was Jesus Actually Perfect?

Bible Highlighter said:

If I told you to read the King James Bible out loud you could do it.

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I could. I could also read a Spanish translation out loud. And, French translation out loud.But, to understand it? No. The KJV English is not how we think and speak today.


If an angel appeared to you he would be speaking just like you and I speak.

Have you ever entertained strangers who speak like they are cast members of Shakespeare & Company? No..

Angels would not have anything strange about them if you met one. Jesus would speak to us just like we speak today as well.

genez said:

I could. I could also read a Spanish translation out loud. And, French translation out loud.But, to understand it? No. The KJV English is not how we think and speak today.

Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. Heb 13:2

Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.

If an angel appeared to you he would be speaking just like you and I speak.

Have you ever entertained strangers who speak like they are cast members of Shakespeare & Company? No..

Angels would not have anything strange about them if you met one. Jesus would speak to us just like we speak today as well.

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You are correct as angels ALWAYS spoke the language of those they appeared to in Scripture, not some foreign language.

Jesus is YHWH said:

You are correct as angels ALWAYS spoke the language of those they appeared to in Scripture, not some foreign language.

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To many, the King James is a foreign language. Its like someone from some island who still speaks primitive English visits modern society. Its not God's language for our present generation. It was intended for the Shakespearean cultures.

Anyone with an open mind? If they would submit to the few teachers who can teach from the ancient languages? The very languages God intended it to be preserved into? They would discover it was no mistake to assign those languages. For when properly understood? They are very exacting in meaning, and do not allow for an easy misunderstanding. Problems can occur when someone translating can not resolve what it says in the Greek, or the Hebrew, when it conflicts with their own theological bias, or sensitivities.

I remember learning when first starting to listen to my pastor, how he translated something from the OT. What he exegeted and translated told me that he is either wrong, or all the translations I had at my disposal were wrong. The odds were not good for him.

Then, I finally found a copy of a Young's Literal Translation. Not only was what I was shown right on target. All of a sudden the passage made sense.

A sense of political correctness tends to creep in and mixed with a theological bias with certain translators. Especially, those who came from sheltered backgrounds. For, in the original languages the Bible will use expressions that are sometimes down right raunchy in content. For God deals with sinners right where they're at.

In contrast, one could read the same passage in the King James (and many modern translations) and with its flowery wording, and it would leave the reader not knowing anything intense was going on.

Knowing the ancient languages is one reason the Communist Russian proponents used to accuse the Bible of being inappropriate contentographic. Little did we know they were onto something. For to properly understand why Jeremiah was so upset with his generation? One must understand the original languages. The Jews had become sexually depraved. Elijah and others also resorted to such language when required to deal with degeneracy. Even the apostle Paul has a few choice words from time to time that translators today blush at and hold back the intent...

That's only one small example...

Bible Highlighter said:

Notice, the real Bible for our English speaking world (the KJV)

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Ahahaha, hahahaha, hahaha.. you're funny!

Bible Highlighter said:

Right, and your quoting from a corrupt Modern Translation to base your theology here (as I said before). Those who hold to Modern Translations have a slightly ever shifting different theology than those who hold to the King James Bible (Which was the trusted Bible for hundreds of years before the Modern Translations showed up).

Philippians 2:6-8 in the King James says,

6 “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.” (Philippians 2:6-8) (KJV).​

Notice, the real Bible for our English speaking world (the KJV) says, “But made himself of no reputation” instead of the New Age Bible movement bibles that say, “but emptied himself.” The NLT even says that “he gave up his divine privileges”; This is clearly an attack upon the deity of Jesus Christ and His natural ability as being God. Yes, the Word was made flesh, and so the Eternal Word became a man. No doubt about it. But He was also equally God, as well.

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You're not getting it. He was denying Himself to his right to function as God. He needed to compartmentalize his humanity as to being the only capacity to live by.

Otherwise? He could never have pioneered our faith being as God. For his faith that is given to us is for men to live by!

He could never be tempted like us in every way. For God can not be tempted by evil!

And, last but not least?

If He allowed himself to remain functioning as God? He could NEVER die. We would not be saved!

So he emptied himself of his right to be as God. To do so, his Deity went into neutral, allowing his humanity to live as a man. A man who was fully in love and obedient to God.

Why do you think Satan tempted Jesus to turn stones into bread? Was that be a temptation for God? How could it be? No! Jesus had to remain as a man. Satan was pushing Jesus to take up his Deity and to cease being as a man that had to depend upon the Father for all his needs.

If Jesus was being as God there would have been no temptation to resist with the stones turned to bread. That was the point in resisting the temptation! For, he had to remain as a man in every way, in order to qualify to die for you as your substitute on the Cross as a man! Anything other than being a sinless man would have disqualified him. Besides... Being as God? Would have made it impossible for him to die.

His Deity never left him. But, his Deity was not allowed to enable, nor empower him. All supernatural power had to be supplied by the Holy Spirit. Just like men receive grace today. For, Jesus had to be pioneering our way to walk with God. Jesus made himself to be the prototype Christian.

Isilwen said:

Ahahaha, hahahaha, hahaha.. you're funny!

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Funnyeth! Funnyeth, sayest thou?

genez said:

Funnyeth! Funnyeth, sayest thou?

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Ummm, what? Sounds like KJV speak to me and I have a hard time reading it. I failed Shakespeare in High School.

Isilwen said:

Ummm, what? Sounds like KJV speak to me and I have a hard time reading it. I failed Shakespeare in High School.

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And, its a reason what many fail the Bible when reading it in a language they can only half understand. Too many things are misleading...


Huh? We now speak with substance unlike the empty discussions we had with our fathers?

Now in English...

grace and peace.....

genez said:

And, its a reason what many fail the Bible when reading it in a language they can only half understand. Too many things are misleading...

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with
corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain
conversation received by tradition from your fathers." 1 Pet 1:18​

Huh? We now speak with substance unlike the empty discussions we had with our fathers?

Now in English...

For you know that it was not with perishable things such as
silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of
life handed down to you from your ancestors."
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grace and peace.....

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I fully agree with you!

I have told Bible Highlighter before that when my ex-mother-in-law wanted to buy me a gift, I asked for a Bible. I prayed for God to lead me to a Bible because there were so many and this was when I was new to Christianity (my then-wife gave me my first, being an NIV Men's Devotional Bible which I still have and will not get rid of as it's sentimental being my first Bible). He lead me to an NKJV, large print with the crown of thorns etched into the cover. I was looking for a Bible recently, and I prayed that he lead me to a Bible, this time He lead me to the NIV Life Application Bible.

Isilwen said:

I fully agree with you!

I have told Bible Highlighter before that when my ex-mother-in-law wanted to buy me a gift, I asked for a Bible. I prayed for God to lead me to a Bible because there were so many and this was when I was new to Christianity (my then-wife gave me my first, being an NIV Men's Devotional Bible which I still have and will not get rid of as it's sentimental being my first Bible). He lead me to an NKJV, large print with the crown of thorns etched into the cover. I was looking for a Bible recently, and I prayed that he lead me to a Bible, this time He lead me to the NIV Life Application Bible.

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It was a NIV that my niece gave me that allowed me to realize I had the Holy Spirit! Because I could understand what it said. When reading a KJV that someone gave me earlier it made me feel like I was joining an ancient cult. It was weird. Like I was trying to learn a dead old religion.

genez said:

He could never be tempted like us in every way.

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I am familar with Hebrews 2:18, and Hebrews 4:15. But these verses are in reference to external temptation, and not internal tempation. For example: A person can try to sell you hot watches in a park, and you could later tell your co-workers that you were tempted by some guy. But that does not mean you were interested in the part of the temptation given.

You said:

For God can not be tempted by evil!

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Right, and if Jesus is God, then He could not be tempted by evil.
This is why you believe in a contradiction. You want Jesus to be God, but yet He is not that way in power and or in the core essence of who God is. It's just in name only that He is God. Are men worshiped like God? Jesus was. But you want to strip Jesus of His Godhood. The Scriptures say that the fulness of the Godhead dwelled within Him bodily.

You said:

If He allowed himself to remain functioning as God? He could NEVER die. We would not be saved!

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God is spirit. The flesh aspect of Jesus is the part of Him that was a man. So yes, the man part of Him could die, but obviouslly His eternal being as being the uncreated Word could never die.

You said:

So he emptied himself of his right to be as God. To do so, his Deity went into neutral, allowing his humanity to live as a man. A man who was fully in love and obedient to God.

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You said:

Why do you think Satan tempted Jesus to turn stones into bread?

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Satan was tempting Jesus to see if He was actually the Son of God. Once satan figured that out, he no longer tempted him. His goal was to then try and kill him.

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Was that be a temptation for God? How could it be? No! Jesus had to remain as a man. Satan was pushing Jesus to take up his Deity and to cease being as a man that had to depend upon the Father for all his needs.

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No. That's a denial of Christ's deity and the Hypostatic Union. Jesus was both God and man.

You said:

If Jesus was being as God there would have been no temptation to resist with the stones turned to bread. That was the point in resisting the temptation! For, he had to remain as a man in every way, in order to qualify to die for you as your substitute on the Cross as a man! Anything other than being a sinless man would have disqualified him.

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Who told you that? It definitely is not Scripture. The KJV said He made Himself of no reputation. There is nothing about how Jesus emptied Himself of His divine powers. That is what corrupt Modern Translations teach. This is why not all Bibles say the same thing.

The gospel of John says the Word was made flesh.
So something was being added and not removed.

genez said:

It was a NIV that my niece gave me that allowed me to realize I had the Holy Spirit! Because I could understand what it said. When reading a KJV that someone gave me earlier it made me feel like I was joining an ancient cult. It was weird. Like I was trying to learn a dead old religion.

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If you were to research the translating team for the NIV, you would be shocked that one of them was in favor of the sin of Sodom. Hence, why all the gender nuetral references. Not only that, but it is one of the most massacred Modern Translations out there. It is by far one of the worst and even Modern Translations proponents will even admit to that fact. Just do a Google search between the KJV vs. the NIV and you will see changes for the worse and not for the better. But hey, if you bought into drinking forever from the well of the Modern Translation camp, there is nothing I can really say that will convince you.

Anyways, the NIV is the epitome of the New Age movement that is invading the church.

Bible Highlighter said:

I am familar with Hebrews 2:18, and Hebrews 4:15. But these verses are in reference to external temptation, and not internal tempation. For example: A person can try to sell you hot watches in a park, and you could later tell your co-workers that you were tempted by some guy. But that does not mean you were interested in the part of the temptation given.



Right, and if Jesus is God, then He could not be tempted by evil.
This is why you believe in a contradiction. You want Jesus to be God, but yet He is not that way in power and or in the core essence of who God is. It's just in name only that He is God. Are men worshiped like God? Jesus was. But you want to strip Jesus of His Godhood. The Scriptures say that the fulness of the Godhead dwelled within Him bodily.



God is spirit. The flesh aspect of Jesus is the part of Him that was a man. So yes, the man part of Him could die, but obviouslly His eternal being as being the uncreated Word could never die.





Satan was tempting Jesus to see if He was actually the Son of God. Once satan figured that out, he no longer tempted him. His goal was to then try and kill him.



No. That's a denial of Christ's deity and the Hypostatic Union. Jesus was both God and man.



Who told you that? It definitely is not Scripture. The KJV said He made Himself of no reputation. There is nothing about how Jesus emptied Himself of His divine powers. That is what corrupt Modern Translations teach. This is why not all Bibles say the same thing.

The gospel of John says the Word was made flesh.
So something was being added and not removed.

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In nutshell... You are all over the place... and not getting anything. You have the gift for gab.

If you found a sound teacher who can teach the Bible (not from some translation in archaic English)... you would be able to stand in one place and make sense.. and know it.

Have a nice Day. King James will be there to greetest thou.

Bible Highlighter said:

If you were to research the translating team for the NIV, you would be shocked that one of them was in favor of the sin of Sodom. Hence, why all the gender nuetral references. Not only that, but it is one of the most massacred Modern Translations out there. It is by far one of the worst and even Modern Translations proponents will even admit to that fact. Just do a Google search between the KJV vs. the NIV and you will see changes for the worse and not for the better. But hey, if you bought into drinking forever from the well of the Modern Translation camp, there is nothing I can really say that will convince you.

Anyways, the NIV is the epitome of the New Age movement that is invading the church.

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I do not depend upon the NIV.. The version I had was not gender neutral.. It has been revised since 1979. Everything comes under attack and changed if it can be... I get taught from the Hebrew and Greek .... Because? God decreed that there will be a few good teachers able to teach for those wanting to have their mind in Heaven and their feet solidly on the ground.

Have a nice Day.

Bible Highlighter said:

If you were to research the translating team for the NIV, you would be shocked that one of them was in favor of the sin of Sodom.

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Give me a link... not hearsay. That could have been a made up story about why the NIV changed to gender neutral. But? What is the Father in the NIV? The Son? Come on.... give me a link. Not hearsay.


It took terms like "men" and made it into "people." For one reason... That was how the word "men" was used back then.

genez said:

In nutshell... You are all over the place... and not getting anything. You have the gift for gab.

If you found a sound teacher who can teach the Bible (not from some translation in archaic English)... you would be able to stand in one place and make sense.. and know it.

Have a nice Day. King James will be there to greetest thou.

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Well, I've been talking on Christian forums for 10 years. Most do not have a problem with the way I discuss things, and many have even thanked me for the way I explain things with God's Word. Not all my posts are going to be stellar write ups, but I looked back at the post and did not see a problem with it. I think you are just nitpicking to divert the topic of conversation here.

genez said:

Give me a link... not hearsay. That could have been a made up story about why the NIV changed to gender neutral. But? What is the Father in the NIV? The Son? Come on.... give me a link. Not hearsay.


It took terms like "men" and made it into "people." For one reason... That was how the word "men" was used back then.

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New International Perversion
Time for Truth! | The NIV PERversion
Another King James Bible Believer
Which Bible
NIV versus KJV Bible
(Note: Please take note that I may not agree with the authors or the websites in everything that they may believe; I merely agree with them that the NIV is a neutered Bible).

genez said:

In favor? That gossip train you are on is fake news.​

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It is a fact that two people were for the sin of Sodomy who worked on the NIV committee.
Jesus said you will know a tree by its fruit.

Anyways, getting back on topic: Jesus was perfect because He was God.
Folks may want to attack that idea in some way, but it is the truth of God's Holy Word.