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The “elements” = Greek: “stoicheion” which means “something orderly in arrangement, that is, (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively): - element, principle, rudiment.” (from Strong’s).

Galatians 4:3 KJV
(3) Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:


The nations have their “elements”….their “rudiments”….their “constitutions”…their fundamental principles… to follow. They are highly exalted among earthly men to the “heavens” so-to-speak. They are their “elements” that they serve and worship.

Constitution - a body of fundamental principles or established precedents according to which a state or other organization is acknowledged to be governed.

So why do churches also have their fundamental principles also…their church documents… that are patterned after the world’s handwritings of men (constitutions, bylaws, articles, statements, etc.) and are also highly exalted and placed in the churches and many serve and worship them more than (preferring more) God?

Is God not their King? Shouldn’t it be His laws (the 2 greatest commandments) and ordinances that we should highly exalt and follow/do?

The handwritings of men are called other “gods”….but by nature are no gods. They are being served and worshiped. Why would we have “other gods” in our churches to go and willingly prostrate ourselves to?

People are “servicing” their handwritings as they use them to judge others (supposedly in God’s name/authority) who do not keep their respective handwritings?

Galatians 4:8-10 KJV
(8) Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.


They are weak and beggarly “elements” that the church scribes have handwritten and placed highly in the churches for their congregations to serve and worship when God did not speak or command them.

(9) But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Paul said “you observe days, and months, and times, and years”.

But this is not about observing those things directly. It is another way to say that the Galatians were carefully following the commandments of men that are highly exalted to the “heavens” in their churches and minds.

(10) Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

For example, the 4th day of Genesis is a metaphor for the government of God…His commandments that are highly exalted and rule over us.

The “greater light” is His greatest commandment while the “lesser light” is the 2nd greatest commandment that are placed in our hearing of heaven.

They are for signs and for seasons and for days and years. They extend our earthly lives and are for fruitful seasons. They are for “signs” in this dark world for others to see as we are to always do them in this earth… and remember to do them.

Genesis 1:14-19 KJV
(14) And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
(15) And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
(16) And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
(17) And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,


They “rule” over the children of the Day and over those of the “night” as we are to always do His commandments even when those of the “night” hate us. Love our enemies. Bless and do not curse. "Rule" = government.

(18) And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

Again, the 4th day is about the government of God.

(19) And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The nations serve and worship their highly exalted handwritings…their fundamental “elements”. They are exalted unto “heaven” so to speak.

The LORD our God has divided the nations by the handwritings of men…their “elements”….their constitutions… which form their separate governments. These things divide the nations.

We though should not be divided by our “handwritings of ordinances” like the nations are.

We, as His people, are not to see the “sun and the moon and the stars”…the laws of the nations which form their divided governments…and be driven to worship and serve them also. These handwritings are not to be inside our churches for us to serve and worship and be divided. We are to be one people in God and His kingdom.

Deuteronomy 4:19-20 KJV
(19) And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.


The LORD has brought us out of “Egypt”…out of the world’s pollutions…where the nations are all divided and fight and war with each other as they all serve their respective “handwritings” of men. We should not be divided as the nations when we serve God and His commandments…no matter of what nation/country we are from. We are to be one people in Him.

We are brought out of “Egypt”….we are dead with Christ from the handwritings of the world.

(20) But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.

If we are dead with Christ from the “rudiments”…the “elements” ….of the world, why are we willingly subjecting ourselves to church “ordinances”…that is in Greek, “dogmas”?

The ancient definition of “dogma” is “what one thinks is right”. Many worship and serve their handwritings of “dogmas” that they think is true and right to keep.

They see themselves as “wise” for doing so. Professing themselves as “wise”, they became fools and their foolish heart was darkened.

Dogma – what one thinks is right. There is a way which seems to be right but in the end are the ways of death. It starts within our own minds of what we think is right...and then we go and serve a man's handwriting that aligns with our own "wisdom".

Proverbs 14:12 KJV
(12) There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.


They are the commandments and doctrines of men that many serve and worship as they use them to divide themselves into different denominations…where they hate one another and judging each other by their own standards…their own handwritings. They do nothing to save our mortal bodies.

Rudiments = elements. Ordinances = dogmas.

Colossians 2:20-22 KJV
(20) Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
(21) (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
(22) Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?


The keeping of the “daily” sacrifice of our Lord Jesus ….ALWAYS bearing about in our mortal body the dying of the Lord Jesus…shall save our mortal bodies as the eternal life of Jesus shall be made manifest in our outer mortal flesh in this earth.

2 Corinthians 4:10-11 KJV
(10) Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
(11) For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.


But this is being deceptively taken away …the daily sacrifice…and is being replaced by the worshiping and serving of the “handwriting of ordinances” which is not saving the mortal flesh of any one in this earth as it causes us to judge others who do not keep the “handwriting”.

Don’t let a man beguile you of your reward…His eternal life in this earth…by his preaching of his handwriting of dogmas...the serving and worshiping of what we think is right to do.

We are to die unto THE (definite article used in Romans 6) sin….the judging/speaking evil of others supposedly in God’s name. We are to keep His “daily” and die to the sin that causes us to perish from off this earth.

Romans 6:8-12 KJV
(8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
(9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
(10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
(11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Don’t let THE sin therefore reign in your mortal body. We must keep His “daily” sacrifice by dying to the sin….having love for one another.

By replacing the “daily” sacrifice with the serving and worshiping of the “handwriting of ordinances” in our lives, we are then not dying to THE sin but are practicing the sin supposedly in God’s authority which is part of the original lie from the beginning.

(12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

But we are told that the wages of THE sin is death….death to our mortal bodies. There is no excuse for not keeping the “daily” sacrifice in our lives.

Romans 6:22-23 KJV
(22) But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
(23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


We must use our freedom from THE sin to BECOME servants to God.

We then have fruit unto holiness and in the completion, everlasting life in this earth…something we are not being told in our churches by those who have no understanding of the Scriptures and want us to serve and worship their church handwritings of which the sin “lives” through so to speak.

We must deaden/kill/slay the deeds of the body through the Spirit of God.

The deeds of the flesh are envy, strife, hatred of one another, provoking one another, etc.

Many are being prevented from slaying the deeds of the flesh in their mortal bodies because of the serving and worshiping of the handwriting of dogmas (what they think is true and right to keep). We must die to the sin and its lusts.

If we live after the flesh, we shall die. Our mortal bodies perish. The following of the handwritings of men in our churches keep us living after the flesh and not after the Spirit even though we have His Spirit within us.

Romans 8:12-15 KJV
(12) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
(13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
(14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
(15) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.


We must use the flaming sword…the Spirit…to deaden the deeds of the flesh to be able to partake of the tree of life and have eternal life in this earth.

Genesis 3:24 KJV
(24) So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life
.

By serving and worshiping the “handwriting of dogmas”….of what we think within our own minds is wise, true and right to keep…..we are still DEAD in our sin and the uncircumcision of our flesh.

The churches handwritings are against us and are contrary to us. They are hostile and prevent us from having His eternal life in this earth.

Colossians 2:13-15 KJV
(13) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses
;

But our Lord has forgiven us for the handwritings. He nails them to His cross. He enlivens us to sit together in Him.

(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

He spoils them in triumph. The “principalities and powers” shall fall from “heaven” as we shall no longer highly exalt them.

(15) And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

to be continued...
 

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Do not let a man deceive you into submitting to his handwriting of ordinances (dogmas – what one thinks is right/believes) that were handwritten by church scribes for you to serve and worship and where they take advantage of you. They make merchandise of you.

Do not let a man judge you. They use fear to bring you into the keeping of their ordinances. Only God is our Judge.

Col 2:16-19 KJV
(16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(17) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Again, let no man beguile you of your reward (the eternal life of Jesus being manifested in our mortal bodies) by the “worshipping of angels”...those messengers’ handwritings that are handed down from one generation to another for us to keep.

(18) Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

They do not hold the Head...the mind of Christ.

Instead, they have intruded into the Scriptures and have taken the keeping of external ordinances and have put them into their handwritings where people who serve them judge others by. They serve and worship the handwritings of men more than God.

(19) And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

There is only One Judge and One Lawgiver....our Father in Heaven.

Who are we to judge another?

He that speaks evil of his brother is judging his brother and does not DO the law....the law of Christ who commanded us to have love for one another.

We must keep the “daily” sacrifice of the Lord who loved us and died for us and commanded us to have love for one another... dying toward the sin of judging others (supposedly in the name/authority of God).

Jas 4:11-12 KJV
(11) Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.


There is One Lawgiver (God) and not men who put their “laws” into their handwritings and then proceed to act as judge, jury and executioner of others (“ you are as gods knowing good and evil”....that is, as judges).

(12) There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Many are “casting out devils” as they judge others as such for not keeping and doing their handwritings of ordinances. They label them as “evildoers” because they see themselves as “wise” and as judges (“you are as gods/judges) supposedly for God.

They do these evil things....these supposed “wonderful works”.... in His name or authority.

Mat 7:21-23 KJV
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works
?

Yet, they really are working the lawlessness (the sin) as they love and practice the lie and think that they do these things in the name of God and Jesus Christ the Lord.

(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The “daily” sacrifice is being replaced by the serving and worshiping of the “handwriting of dogmas”...and so many are perishing. It is in the holy place where the “daily” should be.

When you shall “see” or know the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel (meaning: “God is my Judge), stand in the holy place....whoso READS, LET HIM UNDERSTAND.

Mat 24:15-16 KJV
(15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)


Now when Jesus says this... “whoso readeth, let him understand”....He is focusing our attention to Daniel 5 where Belshazzar and his “wise men” could not “read the writing” of the man’s hand that wrote on the plaster of the wall. They could not understand it.

Dan 5:7-8 KJV
(7) The king cried aloud to bring in the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers. And the king spake, and said to the wise men of Babylon, Whosoever shall read this writing, and shew me the interpretation thereof, shall be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about his neck, and shall be the third ruler in the kingdom.


“whoso readeth, let him understand”...

(8) Then came in all the king's wise men: but they could not read the writing, nor make known to the king the interpretation thereof.

God used this to show us that the abomination of desolation is the handwriting of a man’s hand.

God’s handwriting is being used to illustrate man’s handwriting and the judgment that comes upon those who are rejoicing and praising their handwritings as these “gods of gold and silver, etc. ” enrich those who have ruled by them.

God’s official decrees had come in the form of the decrees of man’s handwriting of ordinances that are present in the churches and are being used to judge others with.

Dan 5:4-5 KJV
(4) They drank wine, and praised the gods of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood, and of stone.
(5) In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote
.

“whoso readeth, let him understand”. Daniel (meaning “God is my Judge”) could read and understand the handwriting on the wall.

Don’t let a man judge you by his handwriting of ordinances that he uses to bring you into bondage and take advantage of you.

Dan 5:17 KJV
(17) Then Daniel answered and said before the king, Let thy gifts be to thyself, and give thy rewards to another; yet I will read the writing unto the king, and make known to him the interpretation.


To be continued..
 
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The “handwritings” of man’s hands are being served and worshiped more than the Creator.

They change the truth of God into THE lie and worship and serve the “creature”…that is, the formation….their fabrication…their ordinance…more than Him.

They are serving and worshiping the handwriting of dogmas (what they believe) more than the true God.

Romans 1:25 KJV
(25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


They lay aside the commandment of God in order to hold the “tradition”…that is, the transmission …of men. They reject the commandment of God to have love for one another so that the transmission (the handed down handwritings of men) is kept instead. They keep the transmissions of men...the handwritings of ordinances...and all the while think that they are worshiping the true God by doing so.

Mark 7:7-9 KJV
(7) Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
(8) For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
(9) And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.


The woman in the garden inserted her own carnal commandment into what God had commanded.
She changed His truth for the lie’s sake.

She inserted “neither shall you touch it” into God’s commandment and presented it as though God commanded it (the fabrication that the woman made of God's original commandment).

Men are doing the same thing today with their inserted handwritings that they worship and serve instead of the true God. It has become “another god” that they serve and worship...and all the while thinking that they are worshiping the true God by doing so.

Genesis 3:1-6 KJV
(1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.


The lie: “you shall not die”….that is literally, “dying, you shall not die” or rather by “killing, you shall not die”.

Many “kill” others with their acting as judge, jury and executioners of others (labeling them as “evildoers” who are “going to hell” for not following their handwriting that has changed the truth of God).

(4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

They think that they are doing God “service” (For God does know…) for doing so.

They use the same mouth to bless God and also curse other men with in judgment of them….thinking that God is ok with that since we are doing it in His authority/name. This should not be so. Either make the tree good or bad.

“You shall be as gods”…that is, you shall be as JUDGES for God…knowing who is good and evil by the using of their own standards (the handwritings of men).

Men see themselves as “wise” for doing so. Your eyes shall be opened….the woman desired to be seen as wise. Many want to be seen as the “wise” judge for God who knows who and what is good and evil. It looks "wise" to serve the doctrines and commandments of men that has changed the truth of God.

(5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
(6) And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.


They change the truth of God into the lie as they use their handwritings and belief of the lie to judge others. Those who think that they are doing the true God “service” think that “killing” another by using their mouth to judge others is good by Him when it is not. There is no “peace and safety” in doing so.

Jeremiah calls the handwritings of men the lying pen of the scribes who have changed God's law into their own "formation"...the "creature". There is no wisdom in the keeping of them.

Jeremiah 8:8-9 KJV
(8) How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
(9) The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?


Whosoever “kills” you in their judgment of you actually thinks that they are doing God “service” in His name by doing so.

John 16:1-3 KJV
(1) These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
(2) They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
(3) And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.


These are the people who are falling for the many false prophets deceptions who are coming forth and preaching “another Jesus” the “antichrist” instead of the true Jesus who is the Christ. They serve and worship the false Christ by the serving and worshiping of the handwriting of men.

The false prophet’s presence (“coming”) is in accordance to the working of Satan (whose “son” is “another Jesus”) with all power and signs and lying wonders.

Their “powers” are the preaching of their handwritings of ordinances and many accept these dogmas as they have already thought they were true to keep within their own minds.

The false prophets show us outward “signs” of supposed inward realities. Many, many signs are being performed…such as literal water baptism which is a big sign that can even deceive the very elect. They use these signs of supposed inward things to fascinate those who "see". But those who see with their own eyes are being blinded spiritually by the use of those signs.

They use flattery…feigned words…lying “wonders”…in order to deceive.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 KJV
(9) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
(10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


They receive not the love of the Truth (not doing it) that they might be saved.

Instead, they believe THE lie…the same lie the serpent told the woman… as they love and practice it instead of loving and practicing the Truth and be saved in this earth.

They “perish” from this earth instead…and many multitudes have and are perishing in their mortal bodies from this earth so that their spirit may be saved.

They are “suffering loss” …the loss of their mortal bodies because they are being judged/condemned as they do not believe the Truth (by doing it instead of the lie).

True believing is doing…faith is active. They believe the lie instead as that is what they do and show that they love more with their practicing of it instead of the practicing of the Truth.

(11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Jesus the true Christ told us before all of these things.

He told us that false Christs and false prophets would arise…and many have. Many false prophets (who falsely preach “peace and safety”) are preaching their “another Jesus” who they are calling the true “Christ” (“I am the Christ”).

Every “preacher” of theirs is calling their “Jesus” that they are preaching the “Christ” when he is really the “antichrist”…..the instead-of the true Christ.

There are many false prophets preaching many false Christs today and they serve their false Christs with their handwritings of ordinances/dogmas.

Matthew 24:24 KJV
(24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

But their "Jesus" the "antichrist" and not the true Christ is a wild "beast"...instead of the "Lamb slain".
 
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The woman in the garden inserted her own carnal commandment into what God had commanded.
She changed His truth for the lie’s sake.

She inserted “neither shall you touch it” into God’s commandment and presented it as though God commanded it (the fabrication that the woman made of God's original commandment).

Men are doing the same thing today with their inserted handwritings that they worship and serve instead of the true God. It has become “another god” that they serve and worship...and all the while thinking that they are worshiping the true God by doing so.

Thank you for this post. It is good to see another who understands that Jesus didn't nail His Father's Law to the cross, rather, the "handwriting of ordinances" of men who were supposed to be administering God's Definition of Righteousness to the people, and not their own.

Mal. 2:7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

The one thing I question is your statement about Eve.

Gen. 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God would have most certainly spoken to Adam about many things which are not recorded. Which animals are clean for food, to love one another etc. Here HE said not to eat of the fruit. You are saying she ADDED "not to touch it either", as part of her own righteousness, which you imply corrupted the Commandment.

But wouldn't this same God's character be the same here as the rest of the Holy Scriptures?

God said "thou shall not kill", but HE also taught not to hate a brother in your heart, which would lead to the killing. He said don't commit adultery, but HE also said don't look on the nakedness of a woman that is not his to look at. He also said not to lust after the woman in your heart, both leading to adultery.

So the Command not to eat the fruit, if we keep God's Character intact, would also include, don't stare at the fruit with desire in your heart. Don't pick the fruit and carry it around with you, and even, "don't touch the forbidden fruit."

I think you may have missed the point here.

Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

You are spot on implying that the "other" voices in the land quote some of God's Words.

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

She knew the danger God told her. How could she eat the fruit without first touching it? Why would she touch it unless she was lusting after it.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

The serpent didn't care about the commandment, eat or touch. It didn't say "it's OK to tough it, or eat it. The first thing the serpent convinced Eve of was that God is a liar. Eat, touch, doesn't matter, "ye shall surely not die".

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (Transgress the Commandment) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

This is the universal teaching of the serpent in my view. That God's Laws are against us and are a burden that makes men blind. That only by rejecting HIS Commandments, can one's eyes be opened.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat,

She had already sinned before she ate. She looked at the forbidden fruit and lusted after it, which led to her touching it, and eating it. Had she followed what she said God told her, "don't eat, don't even touch", she would have been without sin.

But the serpent wasn't after her, it was after Adam. The two had become one as the scriptures say, with Eve as the weaker vessel. The serpent didn't go after Adam directly, but went after him through the woman. (Wife, Bride, Church)

and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

In the same way, this "other" voice is alive and well today. Going through the "woman" (Church) to destroy the Man, (Spirit of Christ in us). By convincing "MANY" that much of God's Word can not be trusted, and that HIS Commandments are a Yoke of Bondage that burdens men with blindness.

The same way it went through the Jews who claimed to be of the God of Abraham, to destroy the 2nd Adam.

But He made a show of them openly, and exposed who their real father was.

The rest of your OP is a very good read. Thank you for it. Most religious men it seems don't believe much of the Word's of the Christ.

Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. (Not the "handwriting of ordinances" from the shepherds who led God's People astray.)

I am interested in your thoughts on my reply. Please don't hesitate to ask me questions, or discuss my understanding of the first recorded deception.
 
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Hi Studyman!

Peace.

Thanks for reading, your kindness and taking the time to respond. Much appreciated. Sorry for the delay.

I am thinking that the original commandment of God was changed by the woman from the beginning so that the lie the serpent told could be practiced which for today means judging another based on our own carnal commandment......for example, “you shall not touch it”.

It shows us religious man’s problem today from the very start.

She changed the truth of God (His commandment) by adding her inserted carnal commandment (“you shall not touch it” ) and worshiped and served the “creature”... the formation...the product of that change...more than the Creator.

She used it as the standard to judge another...which is the message for today . She saw herself as a wise “judge” (ELohim = gods, judges) for God (for God does know...).

Rom 1:25 KJV
(25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


This is why Paul had stated “touch not, taste not, handle not” in his thinking by using the example of the woman’s added commandment in the garden (touch not). These are man's commandments and doctrines that have corrupted the simplicity that is in Christ who commanded us to have love for one another.

Col 2:20-23 KJV
(20) Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
(21) (Touch not; taste not; handle not;


These “ordinances” or “dogmas” ...that which one thinks is right in the mind... cause people to perish (“you shall surely die”) as they use them to judge others by .

All are to perish with the using...the using up of them. The sin is practiced by doing so....which causes the mortal body to perish from this earth.

(22) Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

The woman in the garden wanted to be seen as “wise”. These things have a “show of wisdom” in worshiping what one thinks is right. It does nothing to save the mortal flesh however as it causes death.

(23) Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

We must not desire to be seen as wise (our own "vain glory") and take pleasure in unrighteousness by taking of that “tree”...and eat of it...that is, to continuously partake of it.

Gen 3:6 KJV
(6) And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.


Death and life are in the power (hand) of the tongue....the “woman”... to the “hidden man of the heart”.

The tongue gives birth to words that come from the heart. Out of the abundance of the heart does the tongue speak. The tongue is the weaker vessel. A man’s belly shall be satisfied with the “fruit of his mouth”.

Pro 18:20-22 KJV
(20) A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled.
(21) Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.


Whosoever finds a “wife”....

(22) Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.

When lust has conceived, it brings forth sin: and “the” (definite article) sin, when it is finished, brings forth death (“you shall surely die”). The "woman" gives birth to the sin by evil speaking of another. The sin is the same sin from the beginning. Sin lies at the "door" of the mouth. It wants to rule over us by having us speak evil of another...but we must rule over it in Christ.

Jas 1:14-15 KJV
(14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
(15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.


Gen 4:7 KJV
(7) If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.


The “woman” is indeed the weaker vessel compared to the “man of the heart” which should be Christ (Christ within us).

The tongue should not speak flattery....the “outward adorning of plating of hair and of wearing gold or of putting on of apparel”. Our tongues should always be subjected to Christ...Christ within.

1Pe 3:3-5 KJV
(3) Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
(4) But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
(5) For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:


We are His “bride” that should put forth all evil out of our mouths.

Eph 4:29-32 KJV
(29) Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
(30) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
(31) Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
(32) And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.


In doing so, the “wife” makes herself ready....ready to speak the “true sayings of God” to others who will hear. We can preach Jesus then. Our tongues are then “married” to Him and we can speak the Word of Truth (the marriage supper = the true words of God spoken so others may eat of).

Rev 19:7-9 KJV
(7) Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
(8) And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
(9) And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.


But Satan wants to deceive us with his ministers and their handwritings of dogmas to use our tongues to commit the sin of judging others based on the added carnal commandments of men....the same sin committed from the beginning.
 
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Hi Studyman!

Peace.

Thanks for reading, your kindness and taking the time to respond. Much appreciated. Sorry for the delay.

I am thinking that the original commandment of God was changed by the woman from the beginning so that the lie the serpent told could be practiced which for today means judging another based on our own carnal commandment......for example, “you shall not touch it”.

It shows us religious man’s problem today from the very start.

It is good to have these discussions. In my view your take on this is a perfect examples of how we corrupt God's Words in our mind.

How we define this very first example of deception given us by God will influence our entire religion. Everything from this point on will reflect our understanding of this first deception.

Our disagreement is directly tied to this story, and there is a truth here. One of us is wrong, or both of us are wrong in our understanding of what God is trying to show us. We can't both be right.

I have heard your teaching before and have had many years to consider it. If I may, I humbly submit to you the reason why I think you are making a mistake here.

First,

You are placing so much weight on something you can not possible know. Do you really believe that the only Word's spoken by God to Adam and Eve are the ones recorded? How do you know God didn't tell her not to eat, lust after or even touch the forbidden fruit?

Is it uncharacteristic of the God of the Bible to command folks to abstain from all appearance of evil? Don't commit the act, don't even think about committing the act?

In a just judgment, balanced weights, shown by "Every Word" of God, was Eve not guilty when she lusted after the forbidden fruit? When she touched the forbidden fruit, even before she ate it?

Secondly, your entire post completely leaves out the "other voice" in the garden. No mention of the very reason why Eve was deceived in the first place. In doing so, you make Eve out as the Deceiver. You make her out as the devil, so to speak. No mention or explanation as to why she ate the fruit, what prompted her to eat the fruit, except that she lied about God.

Nothing about the "other" voice at all, only that she sinned when she said God also told her not to even touch the forbidden fruit, which you have no way of even knowing. So Eve is made out, in your philosophy, as the liar here, not the serpent. That Eve was trying to deceive the serpent by lying to it.

Think about that, in the philosophy you are sharing, Her sin wasn't eating the fruit, but saying God told her something you didn't hear or see. Something perfectly in line with the Character of God, something we would accept with our own children. But because you didn't hear God tell her not only don't eat, but also, don't even touch, she is become the deceiver.

How did Noah know what were clean and unclean animals? How did Abimelech know it was a sin to be with another man's wife? Do we not both know that God spoke Word's to His People that are not recorded?

What if God did tell Eve not to eat, lust after or even touch the forbidden fruit? What if , like Noah and Abimelech, God told her things that were not recorded?

And lastly, Eve wasn't driven out of the garden because she just touched the fruit, she first looked at it, then desired it, then lusted after it, then touched it, then ate it. According to the Character of God throughout the Bible, especially in the person of Jesus, didn't she "sin" before she even touched the forbidden fruit?


She changed the truth of God (His commandment) by adding her inserted carnal commandment (“you shall not touch it” ) and worshiped and served the “creature”... the formation...the product of that change...more than the Creator.

She used it as the standard to judge another...which is the message for today . She saw herself as a wise “judge” (ELohim = gods, judges) for God (for God does know...).

Rom 1:25 KJV
(25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


But the truth of God, as shown throughout the Holy Scriptures, is to "Abstain from all appearance of evil."

2 Cor. 6:
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

How did Eve change the Truth of God into a lie? How is it a Lie to say she wasn't allowed to eat or even touch the forbidden fruit? How does God's Command not to eat, allow lusting and touching?

No my friend. I can see how modern religions might make a big deal out of this. But i don't think you have thought this accusation of Eve through. She wasn't in trouble for following what she believed God told her,. Had she had followed what SHE believed was God's Commandment, there would have been no sin. No eating of the fruit, no giving to Adam. NO! She was in trouble because she believed what the "other" voice in the garden told her. That God is a Liar, whose commandments burden men with blindness.

Someone brought the belief "not even touch it" into Eve's mind. It didn't come from the deceiver, Eve said flat out, "God hath said".

You are accusing Eve of being a liar here with absolutely zero evidence. You have been convinced by something, that Eve is the deceiver, saying things about God that were not true.

And there is an entire religious doctrine founded on this accusation that you are promoting.

My friend, what if Eve wasn't the liar? What if God did tell her not to touch the forbidden fruit as she said? If she wasn't telling a lie, then your entire understanding has been "leavened". Everything you believe is infected with this untruth?

For me, I'm not going to accuse Eve of being the liar here. I'm going to go by what is written, and place the title of deceiver on the serpent, not Eve.

This is a foundational issue. Was Eve trying to deceive the serpent, or was the serpent trying to deceive Eve?

I know how hard it is to turn away from religious doctrines we have been convinced of. It is my sincere hope that God will direct us both to His Truth.

Thanks for the conversation.
 
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Hi Studyman,

Peace Brother.

I do enjoy civil discussions.

I know I can be wrong….and I come on here to publicly write or discuss these things for others as well as my own understanding. One must be humble about these things.

What happened at the Beginning in Genesis needs to be looked at what it means for us today as His people…and it is very relevant for today and not just a history lesson.

Indeed, Eve was the one who was deceived by the serpent…. as Paul put it:

2 Corinthians 11:2-4 KJV
(2) For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
(3) But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.


The “serpent” today is the false prophet (the many false prophets) who comes to us preaching “another Jesus”. It just takes one false prophet to beguile us through his cleverness.

Again, what happened at the Beginning in Genesis is very relevant for us today as what was written is for our benefit today.

The false prophet is claiming that the “Jesus” he is preaching is the true Christ (“I am the Christ”) but is instead the “antichrist” or the instead-of Christ. The false prophets lead us astray from the simplicity that is in Christ by their many handwritings to keep. They want to take away the keeping of His daily sacrifice in our mortal bodies and put up their handwritings for us to serve and worship which causes us to serve THE sin and perish.

The serpent (the false prophet) deceives the woman….the church today…as many gladly bear with the many false prophets who supposedly come in the name/authority of Jesus. They receive them as they see themselves as “wise” for doing so.

The false prophet’s “Jesus” is served with the doing of the added commandments of men …their handwriting of dogmas…which many serve and worship (judging others by) and all the while think that they are doing God “service” by the doing of them.

(4) For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

What the woman did was to add her own carnal commandment to God’s commandment and then presented it out loud as though God had commanded it. She augmented it.

Men are doing that very thing today with their “handwriting of ordinances” that they have placed high up in the churches of men for them to serve and worship. They placed “another god” near the God we are supposed to serve and worship by the doing of His commandments instead of the added commandments of men that are highly esteemed among the denominations.

Today, a “Pharisee” is a denomination that is serving and worshiping a handwriting that the church “scribes” have affixed to that denomination.

There are many “Christs” being preached. Which Jesus is the right one among them? This is why the real Jesus who is called the Christ is revealed…His revelation among the many false Christs being preached today among the many different denominations.

“Pharisees” = “separatists” = denominations. The “Pharisees” today are those who are separating themselves by their handwritings (written by their scribes).

They sit in Moses’ seat as they bid what you should be working (their carnal commandments according to their scribes' handwriting) . Their commandments of men are fixed and they won't lift one finger to scratch any one of them out from being a burden to those who are serving their scribes' handwritings.

Matthew 23:1-4 KJV
(1) Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
(2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
(3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
(4) For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.


The “Pharisees”…the denominations of men…separate themselves and they use their respective handwritings to judge each other over thereby serving THE sin and are perishing for it.

Jude 1:18-19 KJV
(18) How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
(19) These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.


We though who believe are commanded to come out from among them and be separate from them.

“Touch not” means to not be “ATTACHED” to the unclean denominations of men.

They are “dead bodies”. if we sit together with them as they preach things that they ought not be (doctrines and commandments of men) for money’s sake, we perish in our mortal flesh along with those who are condemned to perish (the son of destruction). Their teachings are lifeless and they are perishing from this earth as we speak.

2 Corinthians 6:17 KJV
(17) Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,


We are free to eat of the trees of the garden...the fruit of the Spirit....there is no law against this.

Galatians 5:22-23 KJV
(22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
(23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


The Truth of God:

Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
(16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
(17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Here is where the woman changes the Truth of God for the lie the serpent tells her. Again, she adds to the commandment of God by inserting “neither shall you touch it”.

It involves touching…it is carnal just as all of the commandments of men today who require their external regulations be followed.

Notice how she puts “neither shall you touch it” AFTER “you shall not eat it”.

If we take this literally, then yes, we have to touch the fruit before eating it.

But where it is placed (after the “eating” part) shows us that she had added that part of the commandment to include just touching the fruit will cause death.

According to the woman, JUST TOUCHING the fruit… without the eating of it….would cause death.

God did not say by the touching of it you shall surely die but by the eating of it shall you surely die.

This is not what God had commanded because He stated that by EATING of the fruit shall cause death: “….But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die”.

Genesis 3:1-3 KJV
(1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.


So where did the woman get this added commandment?

From her own mind.

She assumed that is what God had commanded.

She had formed a “dogma” within her own mind. A “dogma” = “what one thinks is right”. By the reciting of what she thought was right (neither shall you touch it), the serpent knew he could then deceive her with what came out of her own mind.

What we think is right is the wrong way....leading to the death.

Proverbs 14:12 KJV
(12) There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.


The woman ADDED (neither shall you touch it) to the commandment and then DIMINISHED it (you shall surely NOT die) with the believing and practicing of the lie. Peace and safety thinking where there is none.

As is says in Deuteronomy 4:2, you shall not “add”….which means “to augment” – to make things greater by adding to it.

This adding is what the woman in the garden did. She augmented the truth (which changed it) by what she thought was right to do (neither shall you touch it).

Deuteronomy 4:2 KJV
(2) Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.


Now the eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is not literal. It is about judging others with that “augmented” dogma that we think within our very own minds is true. It is about using our tongues not for life but for the judging of others….and all the while think that we are doing God “service” for doing so (part of the lie: “for God does know…”).

With the same mouth, we bless God and then curse other men who are made after the image of God. The fruit of that "tree" is death in the end.

Many think that is okay with God and that He approves of us judging others who do not keep our own handwriting of dogmas (which we think are right to do in our own minds) that we worship and serve as we think that we do these things in His name or authority.

Those who “dwell on the earth” (those who will not put to death their earthly wisdom: envy, strife, hatred of one another, etc) will make an “image” to the wild beast ( “another Jesus” and not the Lamb slain).

They will use what they think is right in their own minds and go find a “church” where their particular dogma is written and being preached.

They will then “kill” others who do not worship their handwriting of dogmas....the "image" of their "another Jesus". They do not literally “kill” others but use their breath/spirit to judge others…being judge, jury and executioner of others who do not follow their handwriting.

Revelation 13:14-15 KJV
(14) And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
(15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed
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Thanks for reading and considering.
 
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Hi Studyman,

Peace Brother.

I do enjoy civil discussions.

I know I can be wrong….and I come on here to publicly write or discuss these things for others as well as my own understanding. One must be humble about these things.

What happened at the Beginning in Genesis needs to be looked at what it means for us today as His people…and it is very relevant for today and not just a history lesson.

Indeed, Eve was the one who was deceived by the serpent…. as Paul put it:

2 Corinthians 11:2-4 KJV
(2) For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
(3) But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.


Yes, Eve was deceived by the serpent. The Serpent was the deceiver. Not Eve, as Paul said. Eve was not the liar here, the serpent was.

But your teaching here is founded on the belief that Eve was also a Liar, even before the Serpent deceived her. That she already corrupted her own mind even before the Serpent spoke to her. And you make this Judgment of Eve without even "ONE" Scriptural support. Not one Prophet, Not God, Not Jesus, Not the Disciples, not even ONE TIME in the entire Bible supports your claim that Eve was a Liar before the serpent deceived her.

Now I know you didn't get this understanding from the Holy Scriptures, because there is not even one place in the entire Bible that even implies Eve was a Liar before the Serpent deceived her. You heard this religious philosophy from somewhere, not from the Word of God which became Flesh.

Now I don't mean to offend here, just be honest, and only to point out Biblical Truths that matter.

Eve said;

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Between you and the Holy Scriptures, you are the only one saying Eve Lied here. You have not provided, nor can you provide, even one verse which even implies that that Eve Lied here.

So you know God spoke more than this one sentence to Adam and Eve. You know there are volumes of Word's Spoken by God to Adam and Eve which were not recorded. You know all these things, yet you Judge Eve as a Liar because God didn't record these Word's Eve SAID He spoke to her. How can you make this Judgment of her without even one piece of evidence? Not one Word from God, One mention of Eve being deceived before she even spoke to the Serpent.

There is not one mention of this alleged Lie that you are preaching to the World Eve told, in all the Holy Scriptures.

And yet, your religious philosophy is founded on this belief.

Before we have a discussion about all the rest, shouldn't you show me where this doctrine comes from? Where did you get the teaching that Eve was a Liar even before the serpent came to her?

And what would have happened if Eve had not even touched the forbidden fruit? Would Adam have fallen?

I don't mean to be uncivil, just direct. These are relevant questions, which should be answered before moving forward.

I can be wrong to. If you have any Scriptural Evidence that Eve was deceived even before the serpent came to her, then please provide it to me so I can be corrected.

 
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Peace Brother.

I enjoyed the brief discussion but I feel this is quickly getting to the point of “strife” over words. This is not where I want to go.

I implore you: we must always remember to let brotherly love continue…even when we may have disagreements. It is imperative that we remember to do as the Lord commanded us as He loved us and gave His life for us. This is what makes us a follower of Christ.

We must show forth our faith in Him. Faith without good works (peace, love, patience, kindness, etc) is dead.

We must not get angry at our brothers without cause. Let our “yes” be “yes” and our “no” be “no” as far as agreements or disagreements go.

Thanks for reading.

Peace be to you,

Your brother in Christ.
 
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Peace.

I guess I haven’t been clear here. I know I go off on tangents and don’t get directly to the point…not being concise enough. I recognize that in myself. Sorry about that.

I haven’t been saying that Eve was the liar but was deceived into practicing the lie (which was told by the serpent) by her “augmenting” of the command of God.

She added (augmented His command) to the commandment of God and which caused her to fall for the lie told by the serpent. She exchanged/changed the truth of God for the lie which was told by the serpent.

It is about believing in and the doing of the lie based on what one thinks is right (the meaning of “dogma”.

Many “dogmas”….what “we believe”…are put into the handwritings of men in their churches which become a basis for judging others as “evil doers” and they do these things supposedly in the name/authority of God and do not do as He commanded us to do.

Supposedly in His name/authority (per the practicing of the lie) they cast out others as “devils”. Many label others as "evil doers" or "devils" and cast their names out as such.

But saying “Lord, Lord” is not enough. We must show forth our faith with good works...with love, peace, patience, kindness, joy...

Matthew 7:21-23 KJV
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


The Son of God comes to open up our eyes of our understanding of this. The judging of others via the handwriting of dogmas is not doing His will. We are "naked"of His righteousness and we must have our eyes opened to this realization.

He comes to tell us: “…knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked…”

We must not respond with just “Lord, Lord”…the sewing of fig leaves together. Leaves without fruit does no good.

We must respond with the showing forth of the fruit of the Spirit not just platitudes. Leaves only without fruit shall not save us. We cannot feel secure….making ourselves “aprons”…as the church in Laodicea felt (feeling secure).

Genesis 3:7-10 KJV
(7) And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.


We must hear the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the “cool”…that is, Spirit…of the Day (the Day of Judgment).

Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence/face of Him. We show we know Him by the doing of His commandments.

Instead of showing that they knew Him by the doing of His commandments, they “hid” in the TREE (singular) of the garden. They hid in the Tree of Life.

They did hide behind the reputation that they were living but were “dead” as they did not show forth the evidence of their faith. Faith without good works is dead.

(8) And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

“Where are you”…where is the evidence of your faith?

(9) And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
(10) And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.



Let us look closer to the lie told by the serpent. I am speaking these things with the focus on today’s church environment.

The lie of the serpent’s first message is one of “peace and safety”: “you shall not surely die”.

The proper translation of this should be: “dying, you shall not die” or rather “killing, you shall not die”.

This is saying go ahead and “kill” another by judging another brother with your breath…with your voice.

Make false accusations of those who don’t follow your religious dogmas (what one thinks is right), thoughts and ways…It is okay to do so per the serpent. There is “peace and safety” supposedly in doing so.

But Jesus stated those who “take the sword shall perish by the sword”. (Matthew 26:52). The “sword” is the sharp tongue used to attack another….to “kill” another. There is no peace involved in judging another with the sword of the tongue.

Genesis 3:4-7 KJV
(4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:


Everyone who “kills” you with their false accusations (judgments) thinks that they are doing God “service” … “for God does know”. Supposedly He is okay with that (when He is not okay per His commandment). This is continuing to “eat” from the wrong tree. We can’t use our mouths both for blessing God and then cursing others. We are not blessing God by cursing others.

“You shall be as gods”….that is, JUDGES (Elohim= gods, judges). You shall be seen as “wise” judges for God knowing who and what is good and evil. Many then become judges of their brothers that they don’t agree with as they judge them as “evil doers” for what they speak.

(5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The woman then desired to be seen as the wise one. She sought out her own “vain glory”…to be seen as wise. She took pleasure and did speak out in judgment of another which leads to the death.

(6) And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

The “serpent”…the false prophet…is there (his “coming” or presence) in accordance to the working of Satan in order to deceive those who do not receive the love of the Truth so that they might be saved. Instead of doing the Truth they change the Truth for the believing of and loving and practicing of the lie.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 KJV
(9) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
(10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


They believe THE lie and take pleasure in unrighteousness. They want to be seen as “wise”….seeking after their own “vain glory” and provoke others. They believe that they are doing God “service” for killing you with false accusations. Supposedly in His name/authority do they do their “wonderful works” and cast out those who they judge as “devils”.

(11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Outside of His understanding are those who “love and DO” THE lie. “Make” = “do”.

Revelation 22:14-15 KJV
(14) Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
(15) For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
 
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Peace Brother.

I enjoyed the brief discussion but I feel this is quickly getting to the point of “strife” over words. This is not where I want to go.

I implore you: we must always remember to let brotherly love continue…even when we may have disagreements. It is imperative that we remember to do as the Lord commanded us as He loved us and gave His life for us. This is what makes us a follower of Christ.

We must show forth our faith in Him. Faith without good works (peace, love, patience, kindness, etc) is dead.

We must not get angry at our brothers without cause. Let our “yes” be “yes” and our “no” be “no” as far as agreements or disagreements go.

Thanks for reading.

Peace be to you,

Your brother in Christ.

We are not striving about words here my friend. You are promoting a doctrine that I am questioning, not in anger, but in Godly Love. You teach Eve was deceived, defined as believing a Lie about God, when she said God told her not to eat or touch the forbidden fruit.

I pointed out that between you, me, and the entirety of the Holy scriptures, only you are saying or even implying this religious philosophy. No other Prophet, not God, not HIS Son, not any of the Disciples taught, suggested or even implied that Eve was deceived when she recounted what God had told her.

You are free to believe as you wish. I hold no malice or hard feelings or anger. I simply want to point out that this philosophy you are promoting, doesn't come from the Holy Scriptures, and when asked for some support, even one verse, you can not provide them.

It is because I Love you that I pointed this out to you.

Which I have.

May the God of the Bible lead us both into HIS Truth.

With HIS LOVE.

SM
 
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