WHERE DID THE BODY OF CHRIST BEGIN ?

Dan Perez said:

Hi to all and some believe that the BODY OF CHRIST began :

#1 In Genesis

#2 It began in Acts 2 ?

#3 It began in Acts 9 ?

# 4 It began in Acts 13 ?

#5 It began in Acts 28 ?

What say you and provide a verse saying WHERE , HOW , and with WHO ?

dan p

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Hello @Dan Perez,

Your subject heading asks, 'where did the Body of Christ begin?' and that surely has to be in the mind of God before the world began.

* When did it begin? I would say it began following the revelation of God to Paul, concerning the new dispensation and it's outworking, which was given following the final rejection of Christ as their Messiah and King, by the nation of Israel, both in the land and the dispersion. Which is marked by the departure of the elders in Acts 28, following the quotation by Paul from Isaiah 6:9-10 in Acts 28:26-27, and the announcement made that 'the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles ... ' (v.28).

* For with the descent into the darkness of unbelief by Israel, the Olive Tree of Israel was no longer there to be grafted into, so God made known to Paul the mystery that had been Hid in God (Ephesians 3:9 & Colossians 1:26) since before the world began, to be administered by him, as it's Steward, which he did.

* Though imprisoned, Paul was able to write and distribute epistles, namely Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon, which contain the form and administration of the church which is His (Christ's) body (Ephesians 1:22-23).

* Paul was imprisoned in AD59, and released in AD64, martyred in AD67, and Jerusalem destroyed in AD70.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

readywriter said:

Hello @Dan Perez,

Your subject heading asks, 'where the Church began?' and that surely has to be in the mind of God before the world began.

* When did it begin? I would say it began following the revelation of God to Paul....

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So Christ died for an entity that didn't yet exist when he died?

The Boxer said:

So Christ died for an entity that didn't yet exist when he died?

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Hello @The Boxer,

Christ died as 'the Lamb' from the foundation of the world. (Revelation 13:8). The church which is His Body was also known of God and hid in Him from before the world began (Ephesians 3:9 & Colossians 1:26).

readywriter said:

Hello @The Boxer,

Christ died as 'the Lamb' from the foundation of the world.

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No, he did not die from the foundation of the world. He died in the fullness of TIME.

The Boxer said:

No, he did not die from the foundation of the world. He died in the fullness of TIME.

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Hello @The Boxer,

I had edited my post, you may like to look at the Scriptures quoted there.

readywriter said:

Hello @The Boxer,

I had edited my post, you may like to look at the Scriptures quoted there.

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The idea is that Christ was ordained to die from the foundation of the world.

The Boxer said:

The idea is that Christ was ordained to die from the foundation of the world.

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Hello again, @The Boxer,

What have any of your responses (#123,#125,#127) got to do with my reply to Dan Perez (Reply#122).

readywriter said:

Hello again, @The Boxer,

What have any of your responses (#123,#125,#127) got to do with my reply to Dan Perez (Reply#122).

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You said that Christ's body began with the revelation of Paul. Or, did I misunderstand you? If I understood correctly, then you are saying that Christ died for and entity that didn't yet exist when he died.

The Boxer said:

You said that Christ's body began with the revelation of Paul. Or, did I misunderstand you? If I understood correctly, then you are saying that Christ died for and entity that didn't yet exist when he died.

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Hello @The Boxer,

'But God commendeth His love toward us,
in that, while we were yet sinners,
Christ died for us.'
(Romans 5:8)

That question has no bearing on the matter in hand (#122), for Christ died for you and I before we came into existence: does that negate the fact that He died for us?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

readywriter said:

Hello @The Boxer,

'But God commendeth His love toward us,
in that, while we were yet sinners,
Christ died for us.'
(Romans 5:8)

That question has no bearing on the matter in hand (#122), for Christ died for you and I before we came into existence: does that negate the fact that He died for us?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

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We existed in the loins of Adam sir. Thus my point stands unrefuted. Christ couldn't have died for those who did yet not exist when he died. It makes no sense. Try again.

topher694 said:

Acts 2

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False

Dan Perez said:

Hi and Christ did die SLAIN ( FROM ) ( THE ) foundation of the world !

The Greek word APO / FROM proves it .

The Greek word ( THE ) the Greek article means FROM THE foundation of the world , satisfying for me .

dan p

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You prove nothing. The "world" in view is the new world, not the world of Genesis. Jesus' death ushered in a new world. Jesus was slain at its foundation.

Dan Perez said:

Hi to all and some believe that the BODY OF CHRIST began :

#1 In Genesis

#2 It began in Acts 2 ?

#3 It began in Acts 9 ?

# 4 It began in Acts 13 ?

#5 It began in Acts 28 ?

What say you and provide a verse saying WHERE , HOW , and with WHO ?

dan p

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In that sense Christ the anointing teacher comforter guide who also alone brings to our memory the things he has taught us was and is God from before the foundation of the world .Having no beginning of days or end of Spirit life.

God is not a man and neither is there a fleshly man that stands between God not seen and mankind seen as a infallible umpire. He not seen remains our high priest continually.

hebrew7: 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

The Boxer said:

We existed in the loins of Adam sir. Thus my point stands unrefuted. Christ couldn't have died for those who did yet not exist when he died. It makes no sense. Try again.

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Hello there,

Forgive me, for I have only now seen your response to my entry.

We did indeed exist in the loins of Adam, I agree. However in regard to the subject of the thread 'When did the church which is the Body of Christ Begin', I stand by my entries to date. Yet, it was foreseen and provided for before the foundation of the world, but hid in God until it's revelation to Paul, while in Prison. (Ephesians 3:9 & Colossians 1:26)

Grace and Peace
Chris

garee said:

In that sense Christ the anointing teacher comforter guide who also alone brings to our memory the things he has taught us was and is God from before the foundation of the world .Having no beginning of days or end of Spirit life.

God is not a man and neither is there a fleshly man that stands between God not seen and mankind seen as a infallible umpire. He not seen remains our high priest continually.

hebrew7: 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

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I would agree it was then he revealed the gospel to the whole world (all the nations). But it was revealed to each believers as members of the bride the church like Abel and others that had the born again Spirit of Christ as sons of God dwelling in them, up until the promised demonstration of Isaiah 53. The father and Son working together as one God to bring the propmised peace. First in the garden of Gethsemane then unto the cross . (two witnesses )

garee said:-I would agree it was then he revealed the gospel to the whole world (all the nations). But it was revealed to each believers as members of the bride the church like Abel and others that had the born again Spirit of Christ as sons of God dwelling in them, up until the promised demonstration of Isaiah 53. The father and Son working together as one God to bring the promised peace. First in the garden of Gethsemane then unto the cross . (two witnesses )

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Hello @garee,

With respect, the mystery concerning the Church which is the Body of Christ was hid in God, from when the world began. It is not the subject of the Old Testament prophets, the gospels, the Acts, the early epistles of Paul, the general epistles, or the book of Revelation. To say otherwise would be to deny the testimony of Ephesians 3:9 and Colossians 1:26. It was made known to the Apostle Paul, and administered by him in his epistles written from imprisonment (Ephesians 3:6-9), namely, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon.

The mystery of Christ however, was the subject of the Old Testament Scriptures (Romans 1:2), but required the revelation of the Holy Scriptures to make them known, as shown in Ephesians 3:4:-

Also 'The Bride of the Lamb' and 'the Church which is His (Christ's) Body', are two separate companies with different hopes and spheres of blessing.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris