The Situation Is Much Worse Than When There Was Truly Rioting In The Streets

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How stupid does a person have to be to attempt to chase down an armed person?.....Incredibly stupid?....stupendously stupid? If the rioters had not attempted to chase him down they would be alive and uninjured today. There was no reason to chase; pictures turned over to the police would have accomplished all that was necessary.

It seems you’re arguing that vigilante #1 (Rittenhouse) was more righteous than vigilante #2 (Rosenbaum) and #3 (Huber).
 
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If a mob were chasing me I wouldn't hesitate to use any amount of force to defend myself.

And that is what I find so bizarre about the right's equating Pro-Life with Pro-Gun.

Would you really kill someone with an AR-15 because they were throwing a plastic bag at you (Rosenbaum) or brandishing a skateboard (Huber)?

You also forget the inflammatory, violent, racist comments he made on social media--and that there is a survivor, a college student and medic, who actually saw him as enough of a threat that he felt only his less deadly weapon could stop him. The third victim is alive, and I think that he will be able to fill in any jury's questions with the facts to their satisfaction.

Medics don't pull out guns because someone shoots in self-defense. They pull out guns because someone has shot two people in cold blood and, left undeterred, would continue killing.
 
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Would you really kill someone with an AR-15 because they were throwing a plastic bag at you (Rosenbaum)
Don't know what plastic bag you are talking about...
brandishing a skateboard (Huber)?
You mean swinging it at his head?
You also forget the inflammatory, violent, racist comments he made on social media
Please feel free to post a link or PM me with it.
a college student and medic, who actually saw him as enough of a threat that he felt only his less deadly weapon could stop him.
So this guy was also armed.
The third victim is alive, and I think that he will be able to fill in any jury's questions with the facts to their satisfaction.
Ten to one odds against that with a video......
Medics don't pull out guns because someone shoots in self-defense. They pull out guns because someone has shot two people in cold blood and, left undeterred, would continue killing.
So that is why he jogged/walked toward the cop cars and even stopped to speak with one....because he would continue killing.
 
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It seems obvious that those who think that guns are the answer and that personal aggression has anything to do with law and order will never be convinced otherwise.

I dread what will happen if Trump loses (although I believe it is the only way our democracy can survive) and armed thugs take to the streets to enforce whatever misinterpretations of the law they perceive are correct. We saw a glimpse of their mob insanity as they threatened Gov. Whitmer with death and forced legislators to go to work with kevlar vests and bodyguards----because they didn't want to wear masks and social distance!! Now we see them defending militia recruiting heavily armed teenagers to escalate a tenuous situation--ending in two deaths.

Thank God that NY State is shutting down the NRA "Foundation" and the NRA's laundering Trump campaign contributions in 2016 has damaged their credibility even further. They are truly a dangerous organization--trying to validate armed insurrections by "militia" who are not "well-regulated" but, in truth, domestic terrorists.
 
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The difference in the 60's was that 1/3 of the country didn't accept the right of the police and vigilantees to shoot black men in the back for not following instructions, or for damaging a storefront.

No, in the 60’s you had one half of the country that didn’t have a problem with police using dogs, fire hoses and Billy clubs on truly peaceful protesters walking across a bridge or having the audacity to sit in a restaurant.

Then there was the Watts riots that started with a traffic stop and ended with a good portion of the city burnt, dead in the street and businesses ransacked.
 
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This young man rode into another state openly waving an assault rifle in self defense?
It doesn't matter. But for the record, he went there to help people. He administrated first aid to protesters. He got shot with pepper spray by protesters, but only when someone tried to grab his weapon did he react in self defense after first trying to get away.
 
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How stupid to get so close to the protestors. But, on the other hand, he was an untrained kid being macho and showing off his weapon in a scary situation he never should have been in in the first place. What the hell does a 17 year old kid need with an assault weapon in the first place?
 
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It doesn't matter. But for the record, he went there to help people. He administrated first aid to protesters. He got shot with pepper spray by protesters, but only when someone tried to grab his weapon did he react in self defense after first trying to get away.
We need to have laws preventing this type of actions with good intentions.
 
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First aid? He sure didn't mention that on social media. It might have been a good cover..

He told folks that he was an EMT worker. Most were skeptical and stayed away.
 
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First aid? He sure didn't mention that on social media. It might have been a good cover..
In addition to his AR-15, he had a small bag that had “medical supplies” that he didn’t employ at the first victim’s site.

He had been interviewed by a couple of people saying that he was there (partially) to provide medical assistance.
So yeah, good cover.
 
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And the crowd cheered as he lay in the street.

Yeah, I saw reports of that. I don't condone it and I'm sorry another life was lost. Supposedly he was with one of the outside groups called Patriot Prayer there to cause trouble. A parade of them had been driving around all day macing protesters. I saw posts from one of the people who said he was a friend of theirs and that they were going to come back tonight. Protesters on the ground said they were told they were coming to kill protesters. The police have been protecting the outside agitators. Right now there are videos on social media of them basically getting a police escort into town. We have a president openly encouraging all this. From the beginning of his rallies he has encouraged violence toward others by his supporters. It's not going to end well and I can almost guarantee he will try to implement martial law or invoke the insurrection act. Trump is trying to avoid jail time so he will do whatever it takes to win reelection and I don't believe he cares if citizens are lost or our country burns in the process. IMO, it's a means to an end.


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