THE SABBATH TRUTH!

LoveGodsWord · Aug 28, 2020

Bob S said:
Was Abraham saved by faith or his obedience to the law? Are you saved because of your faith or because you keep the Sabbath? You just had to link those two verses even though they have no correlation.

True faith or saving faith is believing and following God's Word and doing what God's Word says *ROMANS 4:3; GALATIANS 3:6; JAMES 2:18-26; HEBREWS 11. Abraham's faith resulted in Abraham doing what God said and God's witness of Abraham was that "Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. *GENESIS 26:5. If we believe God's Word we will follow what Gods' Word says. This is saving faith. All scriptures provided in my posts have direct correlation and are scripture evidence to what is being shared here. I noticed you avoided answering my questions to you earlier. Was there a reason for that Bob?

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 28, 2020

pasifika said:
I will say it again...to love God is to believe in His Son And to love others..1John 3:23 that is what He commanded us. That's what it means to love God by following what He commanded us..

If you use the 10 commandments as a way to love God then that love only comes from you Not God...

You still listening to Moses my friend listen to Christ!

Well that is not true. I have said no such thing. Do you want to answer my questions to you now? If you do not know the answer please just say so.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 28, 2020

Bob S said:
No Jorge, the ten commandments of the old covenant ended at Calvary when the new covenant began. Our goal is to keep the Royal Law of Love. We are not subject to the ritual laws given only to the defunct nation of Israel. The laws dealing with morality are forever and, of course, are part of the Royal Law of Love. What we are not under are the laws dealing with food, feasts, new moons, Sabbaths and any other law that is not a morality issue.

Bob your disagreeing with JESUS and pretty much the rest of the bible and the new covenant scriptures if your teachings God's 10 commandments have been abolished.

MATTHEW 5:17-19
[17], THINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, OR THE PROPHETS: I AM NOT COME TO DESTROY, BUT TO FULFILL.
[18], FOR TRULY I SAY TO YOU, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE STROKE OR ONE PRONUNCIATION MARK SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.
[19], WHOEVER THEREFORE SHALL BREAK ONE OF THESE LEAST COMMANDMENTS, AND SHALL TEACH MEN SO, HE SHALL BE CALLED THE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[20], For I say to you, That EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, YOU SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

more scripture provided here linked...

What do you think 1 JOHN 2:3-4 means?

Hope this helps.

pasifika · Aug 28, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Well that is not true. I have said no such thing. Do you want to answer my questions to you now? If you do not know the answer please just say so.

Okay you can answer your question.

guevaraj · Aug 28, 2020

pasifika said:
Hello, who gave the commandments to Israel under the old covenant was it Jesus or Moses? So who spoke in John 16 was it Jesus or Moses?

Brother, the one who wrote the ten commandments with His finger is Jesus before the incarnation.

pasifika said:
Love is Not lawless..

The problem with your definition of love is that it excludes the ten commandments of Jesus before the incarnation. Your definition of love is insufficient to meet Jesus' requirements.

There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death. (Proverbs 14:12 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

LoveGodsWord · Aug 28, 2020

pasifika said:
Okay you can answer your question.

Ok thanks for being honest.

We need to be born again into God's new covenant promise to LOVE because we do not love. God's LOVE and our love to GOD and our fellow man is expressed through obedience to the 10 commandments *HEBREWS 8:10-12. (Please read also ROMANS 13:8-10 and JAMES 8:10-12).

No one loves God by KNOWINGLY breaking anyone of the first 4 of the 10 commandments. No one loves their fellow man by breaking anyone of the second 6 of the 10 commandments.

This is why JESUS says if you love my keep my commandments *JOHN 14:15 and "ON THESE TO GREAT COMMANDMENTS OF LOVE TO GOD AND MAN HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

As posted earlier to someone else in relation to how Abraham was saved and saving faith..

True faith or saving faith is believing and following God's Word and doing what God's Word says *ROMANS 4:3; GALATIANS 3:6; JAMES 2:18-26; HEBREWS 11 see also MATTHEW 7:21-27.

Abraham's faith resulted in Abraham doing what God said and God's witness of Abraham was that "Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. *GENESIS 26:5.

If we believe God's Word we will follow what Gods' Word says. This is saving faith and how love is expressed towards God and our fellow man *ROMANS 13:8-10.

Unless we are born again to love we cannot see the kingdom of Heaven *JOHN 3:3-7. Those who are born again to love do not knowingly practice sin *1 JOHN 3:6-9.

There is a detailed scripture response here if you would like more scripture. Your response was to ignore this last time.

Hope this helps.

pasifika · Aug 28, 2020

guevaraj said:
Brother, the one who wrote the ten commandments with His finger is Jesus before the incarnation.

The problem with your definition of love is that it excludes the ten commandments of Jesus before the incarnation. Your definition of love is insufficient to meet Jesus' requirements.

There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death. (Proverbs 14:12 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Jesus wasn't born the time of Moses.

Yes the 10 commandments comes under the old covenant in which man will do everything God says...(man has a part to play )
So man will follow the 10 commandments as it written and That is the problem..Man cannot follow a holy law or commandments to its standard because Man are sinners...

Read this one;

Hebrews 8:7...For if there had been nothing wrong with the first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people...

But you still persevere in following that same covenant, what makes you different from those who cannot follow that covenant?

pasifika · Aug 28, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Ok thanks for being honest.

We need to be born again into God's new covenant promise to LOVE because we do not love. God's LOVE and our love to GOD and our fellow man is expressed through obedience to the 10 commandments *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Please read also ROMANS 13:8-10 and JAMES 8:10-12. There is a detailed scripture response here if you would like more scripture. No one loves God by KNOWINGLY breaking anyone of the first 4 of the 10 commandments. No one loves their fellow man by breaking anyone of the second 6 of the 10 commandments. This is why JESUS says if you love my keep my commandments *JOHN 14:15 and "ON THESE TO GREAT COMMANDMENTS OF LOVE TO GOD AND MAN HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

As posted earlier to someone else in relation to how Abraham was saved..

True faith or saving faith is believing and following God's Word and doing what God's Word says *ROMANS 4:3; GALATIANS 3:6; JAMES 2:18-26; HEBREWS 11. Abraham's faith resulted in Abraham doing what God said and God's witness of Abraham was that "Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. *GENESIS 26:5. If we believe God's Word we will follow what Gods' Word says. This is saving faith and how love is expressed towards God and our fellow man *ROMANS 13:8-10.

Unless we are born again to love we cannot see the kingdom of Heaven *JOHN 3:3-7. Those who are born again to love do not practice sin *1 JOHN 3:6-9.

Hope this helps.

Thanks LGW, what you're saying is that we need to be born again to a new covenant of Love to love, then we express that love through the 10 commandments (old covenant )..

The problem is with your answer is that against scripture the old covenant is no more (obsolete ) Hebrews 8:13 because of it problem...

You either under the old or new one...

LoveGodsWord · Aug 28, 2020

pasifika said:
Thanks LGW, what you're saying is that we need to be born again to a new covenant of Love to love, then we express that love through the 10 commandments (old covenant )..The problem is with your answer is that against scripture the old covenant is no more (obsolete ) Hebrews 8:13 because of it problem...You either under the old or new one...

No dear friend! I am saying no such thing. The 10 commandments are a part of the new covenant. Please see these new covenant scripture linked as proof. Everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (new covenant scriptures linked here). There is only a problem if one misinterprets scripture or has been taught by someone that has misinterpreted scripture or has no scripture to support their view. I respectfully believe your problem is not understanding what the old covenant was and what the new covenant is and would like to have a friendly discussion with you about this topic if you do not mind? Let's discuss it before moving forward. What do you think the old covenant is that is replaced by the new covenant and what is replaced (scripture please) in your view?

guevaraj · Aug 28, 2020

pasifika said:
Jesus wasn't born the time of Moses.

Brother, do you know who Jesus is? Jesus is our creator! It is because He is the creator and alternately responsible for His creation that He can take our place and die for our sins.

He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. (John 1:10-13 NIV)

pasifika said:
Yes the 10 commandments is comes under a covenant in which man will do everything God says...So man will interpret and decided how the 10 commandments is followed. That is the problem..

The Jews placed such value on the Ten Commandments that they created additional laws to protect them from coming close to disobeying one of the Ten Commandments. For example, to make sure they never disobey the third commandment, never use God's name in vain, they never speak His name. When they find His name in the Scriptures, they say another word so that there is no chance that they will use His name in vain. Most Christians have the opposite reaction to the Ten Commandments, they do not place any value on it at all.

pasifika said:
Read this one; Hebrews 8:7...For if there had been nothing wrong with the first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people...But you still persevere in following that same covenant, what makes you different from those who cannot follow that covenant?

Below we learn that most Jews were obedient until Jesus, while we were the disobedient that received mercy because of most Jews current disobedience.

Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. (Romans 11:30-31 NIV)

The above passage says we were disobedient while the Jews were obedient until Jesus. The old covenant was never the true one, we cannot be saved by animal sacrifices that were a "shadow" of the coming of Jesus. The true reality is "in heaven", where Jesus now serves as our eternal High Priest.

They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” (Hebrews 8:5 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Bob S · Aug 28, 2020

guevaraj said:
Brother, that Sabbath you mentioned is not the weekly Sabbath which is an unconditional covenant forever about the "sign" of our relationship with the one who makes us holy. I'm sure you know that there are two types of Sabbaths: weekly Sabbaths and monthly Sabbaths.

Sorry Jorge, it was Israel sign not anyone else. Israel broke the covenant which contained the sign. By the way the other Sabbaths and the new moon (monthly Sabbath) were already mentioned. You know the feasts and new moon.

The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’ ” (Exodus 31:16-17 NIV)

Now you have it right, between God and the Israelites, not new covenant Christians. And if you will look at all the "for ever" in scripture you will find they all do not mean everlasting. See: BibleGateway - Keyword Search: "for ever"

Then Bathsheba bowed down with her face to the ground, prostrating herself before the king, and said, ‘May my lord King David live for ever!’
1 Kings 2:33
May the guilt of their blood rest on the head of Joab and his descendants for ever. But on David and his descendants, his house and his throne, may there be the Lord’s peace for ever.’
1 Kings 2:45
But King Solomon will be blessed, and David’s throne will remain secure before the Lord for ever.’
1 Kings 8:13
I have indeed built a magnificent temple for you, a place for you to dwell for ever.’
1 Kings 9:3
The Lord said to him: ‘I have heard the prayer and plea you have made before me; I have consecrated this temple, which you have built, by putting my Name there for ever. My eyes and my heart will always be there.
1 Kings 9:5
I will establish your royal throne over Israel for ever, as I promised David your father when I said, “You shall never fail to have a successor on the throne of Israel.”

LoveGodsWord · Aug 28, 2020

Bob S said:
Sorry Jorge, it was Israel sign not anyone else. Israel broke the covenant which contained the sign. By the way the other Sabbaths and the new moon (monthly Sabbath) were already mentioned. You know the feasts and new moon.

Now you have it right, between God and the Israelites, not new covenant Christians. And if you will look at all the "for ever" in scripture you will find they all do not mean everlasting. See: BibleGateway - Keyword Search: "for ever"

Then Bathsheba bowed down with her face to the ground, prostrating herself before the king, and said, ‘May my lord King David live for ever!’

1 Kings 2:33
May the guilt of their blood rest on the head of Joab and his descendants for ever. But on David and his descendants, his house and his throne, may there be the Lord’s peace for ever.’

1 Kings 2:45
But King Solomon will be blessed, and David’s throne will remain secure before the Lord for ever.’

1 Kings 8:13
I have indeed built a magnificent temple for you, a place for you to dwell for ever.’

1 Kings 9:3
The Lord said to him: ‘I have heard the prayer and plea you have made before me; I have consecrated this temple, which you have built, by putting my Name there for ever. My eyes and my heart will always be there.

1 Kings 9:5
I will establish your royal throne over Israel for ever, as I promised David your father when I said, “You shall never fail to have a successor on the throne of Israel.”

Actually not really Bob. According to God's Word (not mine) God's ISRAEL in the new covenant are all those who believe and follow God's Word. GENTILES are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in God's NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcised by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

............

CONCLUSION: God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in God's NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Need more scripture?
1. ORIGIN OF ISRAEL AND THE 12 TRIBES linked
2. MEANING OF THE NAME OF GOD'S ISRAEL linked
3. GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT IS GOD'S CHURCH linked
4. GENTILES ARE NOW GRAFTED IN WITH GOD'S ISRAEL linked

Hope this helps.

pasifika · Aug 28, 2020

guevaraj said:
Brother, do you know who Jesus is? Jesus is our creator! It is because He is the creator and alternately responsible for His creation that He can take our place and die for our sins.

He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. (John 1:10-13 NIV)

The Jews placed such value on the Ten Commandments that they created additional laws to protect them from coming close to disobeying one of the Ten Commandments. For example, to make sure they never disobey the third commandment, never use God's name in vain, they never speak His name. When they find His name in the Scriptures, they say another word so that there is no chance that they will use His name in vain. Most Christians have the opposite reaction to the Ten Commandments, they do not place any value on it at all.

Below we learn that most Jews were obedient until Jesus, while we were the disobedient that received mercy because of most Jews current disobedience.

Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. (Romans 11:30-31 NIV)

The above passage says we were disobedient while the Jews were obedient until Jesus. The old covenant was never the true one, we cannot be saved by animal sacrifices that were a "shadow" of the coming of Jesus. The true reality is "in heaven", where Jesus now serves as our eternal High Priest.

They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” (Hebrews 8:5 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Jesus was the incarnation of YHWH...
10 commandments was given only to those that came out of Egypt. Moses was the mediator of that covenant...

Just as Jesus was the mediator in the new covenant...

BiffBuffering · Aug 28, 2020

pasifika said:
Then keep reading for the commandments in John 14...
Don't just look at the word commandments then assume is the 10 commandments but keep reading..

Why not? Everyone knows that "10" belongs before the word "commandments." 50 years ago everyone assumed just that. All of this over-emphasis on loving one another is a holdover from the "Summer Of Love" hippie culture. Christians love to mimic the world.

pasifika · Aug 28, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
No dear friend! I am saying no such thing. The 10 commandments are a part of the new covenant. Please see these new covenant scripture linked as proof. Everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (new covenant scriptures linked here). There is only a problem if one misinterprets scripture or has been taught by someone that has misinterpreted scripture or has no scripture to support their view. I respectfully believe your problem is not understanding what the old covenant was and what the new covenant is and would like to have a friendly discussion with you about this topic if you do not mind? Let's discuss it before moving forward. What do you think the old covenant is that is replaced by the new covenant and what is replaced (scripture please) in your view?

Okay no problem, so your question is

" what do you think the old covenant is that replaced by the new covenant and what is replaced ( provide scripture ) in your view?

The old covenant is referring to the Sinai covenant between God and children of Israel which came out Egypt..
Under that covenant the people will do everything that God said...Exo 19, so God gave His laws, commandments (10) sabbaths under that covenant God also give blessings and curses for them who obey and disobey...

The problem with that covenant is the people.. (Hebrews 8:7) they cannot uphold the laws, commandments etc so some perished in the wilderness some were told that they would not to enter into God's rest..Hebrews 3:16-19( punishment for breaking the covenant ).

So in the New covenant God is the one who do everything instead of the people...Hebrews 8:10

LoveGodsWord · Aug 28, 2020

pasifika said:
Okay no problem, so your question is

" what do you think the old covenant is that replaced by the new covenant and what is replaced ( provide scripture ) in your view?

The old covenant is referring to the Sinai covenant between God and children of Israel which came out Egypt..
Under that covenant the people will do everything that God said...Exo 19, so God gave His laws, commandments (10) sabbaths under that covenant God also give blessings and curses for them who obey and disobey...

The problem with that covenant is the people.. (Hebrews 8:7) they cannot uphold the laws, commandments etc so some perished in the wilderness some were told that they would not to enter into God's rest..Hebrews 3:16-19( punishment for breaking the covenant ).

So in the New covenant God is the one who do everything instead of the people...Hebrews 8:10

Thank you. That is a start but can you be specific? What made up the old covenant what makes up the new covenant? What is the differences between the old and new covenants in your view (scripture please)? You have already been provided the scriptures showing that all of God's 10 Commandments are included in the new covenant. (Please see these new covenant scripture linked as proof. Also, everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (new covenant scriptures linked here). I am only asking these questions so I do not have a misunderstanding in regards to what your saying. Also, are you saying no one in the old covenant is saved can you explain yourself a little better? Your last paragraph disagrees with HEBREWS 11. Can you let me know how your last paragraph agrees with HEBREWS 11? Maybe I am not quite sure what your saying. Hence asking for clarification.

Thanks.

pasifika · Aug 28, 2020

BiffBuffering said:
Why not? Everyone knows that "10" belongs before the word "commandments." 50 years ago everyone assumed just that. All of this over-emphasis on loving one another is a holdover from the "Summer Of Love" hippie culture. Christians love to mimic the world.

I think is not good to just assumed things when it comes to the Bible.

pasifika · Aug 29, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Thank you. That is a start but can you be specific? What made up the old covenant what makes up the new covenant? What is the differences between the old and new covenants in your view? You have already been provided the scriptures showing that all of God's 10 Commandments are included in the new covenant. (Please see these new covenant scripture linked as proof. Everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (new covenant scriptures linked here). I am only asking these questions so I do not have a misunderstanding in regards to what your saying.

Thanks.

Old covenant: law(based on works) includes food, sacrifice etc, commandments (10), temple worship, adoption to sonship, those given to Israel through Moses

New covenant: law (based on faith), commandments (Love), Promises, adoption to sonship..this is the Gospel regarding Jesus Christ...

LoveGodsWord · Aug 29, 2020

pasifika said:
Old covenant: law(based on works) includes food, sacrifice etc, commandments (10), temple worship, adoption to sonship, those given to Israel through Moses

New covenant: law (based on faith), commandments (Love), Promises, adoption to sonship..this is the Gospel regarding Jesus Christ...

This one does not make much sense. How is animal sacrifices, feasts days, the Sanctuary laws, the Levitical Priesthood based on works? What is the differences between the old and new covenants in your view? Also, are you saying no one in the old covenant is saved can you explain yourself a little better? Your last paragraph disagrees with HEBREWS 11. Can you let me know how your last paragraph agrees with HEBREWS 11?

pasifika · Aug 29, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
This one does not make much sense. How is animal sacrifices, feasts days, the Sanctuary laws, the Levitical Priesthood based on works? What is the differences between the old and new covenants in your view? Also, are you saying no one in the old covenant is saved can you explain yourself a little better? Your last paragraph disagrees with HEBREWS 11. Can you let me know how your last paragraph agrees with HEBREWS 11?

Animals sacrifice, levitical Priesthood etc under the old covenant are based on works because man are doing the works...that's how this covenant is made up. " people will do what God's says"...

Covenant of works (mans work) Vs Covenant Faith (God's works)..

Yes No One under the old covenant can be saved...their works cannot save them Only the work of God...

The gospel (message of Faith) only can save mankind it was given from the time mankind fell in the garden up to Abraham, Moses, Prophets up to us today.
Hebrews 11 is about those who accept that message of Faith....
Again, the old covenant was between God and those Moses led out of Egypt...Noah, Abraham, Isaac etc are Not part of that covenant...

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