boy get arrested that kill two men

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The kid left his home state of Illinois and went to the protest with his rifle.

He had an agenda going there and should've stayed home.

Sorry, I can't defend this kids actions.

Which actions? He engaged in a lot of actions.

Are you taking the position the conduct you highlight means he couldn’t defend himself if the situation warranted it?
 
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there are so many people getting killed i am losing track of who is killing who

that head line is from a different news report

“young White man” was shown on video shooting protesters at point-blank range in the middle of a street.

Who Is Kyle Rittenhouse? Jacob Blake Protest Shooter Is Reportedly A White Teen Affiliated With Cops – USA News Hub

this is the photo in the news report of the victims?
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Those ARE NOT the victims and That IS NOT a news report. On top of that the people who were shot by the teen can hardly be called victims themselves Because in all the video released they were assaulting the teen.
 
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The kid left his home state of Illinois and went to the protest with his rifle.

He had an agenda going there and should've stayed home.

Sorry, I can't defend this kids actions.
Kenosha borders Illinois.
 
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No it's not. None of the " victims" were black.
Now that we know a lot more about the event it is very clear what it was saying.

Businesses are now hiring private security to guard their property and protect it from the rioters and looters. This shows that the local police have not been able to protect their property and businesses now feel they must protect it themselves with guns. This 17 yr old was clearly in over his head, when the situation became dicey he panicked. It is interesting that the people he shot were felons. Not because that in some way exonerates him. I suspect during his trials that will not be admissible unless he can provide solid evidence that it played a part. No, it is interesting because it tells you who was out on the street after the curfew. So although the protesters are peaceful, once the curfew kicks in it seems a much higher percent of felons are on the street looking to loot and/or riot. Unfortunately there has been very little distinction made between the protestors and the rioters. People are counting this event and the ones he shot to be further evidence of a bias against black lives even though he didn't shoot any blacks and it is very likely they were there to riot and loot, and not for BLM.

This is the explosive situation we are in. During a pandemic a lot of people have lost their job. This is probably hitting felons harder than anyone else. They are already the despised cast offs with limited job opportunities and even limited as to where they can live (pedophile). This is a very different group from the earlier BLM protesters. On the other hand with the very tough economic situation for small businesses they cannot afford to be looted and have their businesses burn to the ground, they also are on the ropes and are hiring people with assault rifles to guard their property. Because the protests are directed at the police and each new incident only fans the flames more the police are being much more circumspect in their actions leaving these businesses vulnerable.

3 things are feeding the flames, not one. 1. Incidents of police violence against minorities like the shooting of Jacob Blake. 2. Lost jobs and lost opportunities due to the pandemic. and 3. Businesses trying to protect their business from riots and looters. So the burning of a business one night is going to fuel their outrage the next.
 
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Now that we know a lot more about the event it is very clear what it was saying.

Businesses are now hiring private security to guard their property and protect it from the rioters and looters. This shows that the local police have not been able to protect their property and businesses now feel they must protect it themselves with guns. This 17 yr old was clearly in over his head, when the situation became dicey he panicked. It is interesting that the people he shot were felons. Not because that in some way exonerates him. I suspect during his trials that will not be admissible unless he can provide solid evidence that it played a part. No, it is interesting because it tells you who was out on the street after the curfew. So although the protesters are peaceful, once the curfew kicks in it seems a much higher percent of felons are on the street looking to loot and/or riot. Unfortunately there has been very little distinction made between the protestors and the rioters. People are counting this event and the ones he shot to be further evidence of a bias against black lives even though he didn't shoot any blacks and it is very likely they were there to riot and loot, and not for BLM.

This is the explosive situation we are in. During a pandemic a lot of people have lost their job. This is probably hitting felons harder than anyone else. They are already the despised cast offs with limited job opportunities and even limited as to where they can live (pedophile). This is a very different group from the earlier BLM protesters. On the other hand with the very tough economic situation for small businesses they cannot afford to be looted and have their businesses burn to the ground, they also are on the ropes and are hiring people with assault rifles to guard their property. Because the protests are directed at the police and each new incident only fans the flames more the police are being much more circumspect in their actions leaving these businesses vulnerable.

3 things are feeding the flames, not one. 1. Incidents of police violence against minorities like the shooting of Jacob Blake. 2. Lost jobs and lost opportunities due to the pandemic. and 3. Businesses trying to protect their business from riots and looters. So the burning of a business one night is going to fuel their outrage the next.

Daily caller has a good article. One of their reporters was a couple hundred feet away when the first guy was shot. Seems someone fired off a round or two and the kid was blamed even though it wasn't him. If I remember correctly the pedo guy tried taking the kids rifle and then we all know the rest.
 
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This is the explosive situation we are in. During a pandemic a lot of people have lost their job. This is probably hitting felons harder than anyone else. They are already the despised cast offs with limited job opportunities and even limited as to where they can live (pedophile). This is a very different group from the earlier BLM protesters.
Pure speculation. Probably the same people.
 
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Pure speculation. Probably the same people.
Based on several observations:
1. Protests are generally described as peaceful prior to the curfew
2. People who are out after the curfew are violating a police directive.
3. Looting and rioting takes place after the curfew
4. Many of these protests take place during the day with many of these people making public statements. It is very clear that many of these protesters are mothers, workers, NBA players, etc. So it is true I am speculating that the percent of felons during the legal protests are more than during those that take place after the curfew, that speculation is based on the behavior of the two.
 
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Based on several observations:
1. Protests are generally described as peaceful prior to the curfew
2. People who are out after the curfew are violating a police directive.
3. Looting and rioting takes place after the curfew
4. Many of these protests take place during the day with many of these people making public statements. It is very clear that many of these protesters are mothers, workers, NBA players, etc. So it is true I am speculating that the percent of felons during the legal protests are more than during those that take place after the curfew, that speculation is based on the behavior of the two.
Well, evil does tend to love the darkness.
 
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Which actions? He engaged in a lot of actions.

Are you taking the position the conduct you highlight means he couldn’t defend himself if the situation warranted it?

He went to the protest in another state and should not have been there carrying a gun.

He only had to defend himself because he placed himself in harms way and there were those who tried to stop him.

Going to the protest didn't help the cops, but made their job more difficult
 
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It's still another state. I live on the border of NH. I can't go into NH and shoot people without being arrested
You can’t go anywhere and shoot people without being arrested. I’m just countering the narrative that this is “an out of state militia Member that drove hundreds of miles to the protest.“ When Kenosha and the city he lives in across the border is in all practicality one city. Most cities are like that now. What use to be little towns separated by farmland have now become big urban centers. The little towns are now separated by suburbs and commercial property. This urban center probably just has a state line running down the middle of it. But I am guessing. I lived in Racine 50 years ago. Talked to a friend from there on the phone last week a few days before all this happened who was on his way home from Kenosha to Lake Geneva. Visiting his grandkids.
 
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You can’t go anywhere and shoot people without being arrested. I’m just countering the narrative that this is “an out of state militia Member that drove hundreds of miles to the protest.“ When Kenosha and the city he lives in across the border is in all practicality one city. Most cities are like that now. What use to be little towns separated by farmland have now become big urban centers. The little towns are now separated by suburbs and commercial property. This urban center probably just has a state line running down the middle of it. But I am guessing. I lived in Racine 50 years ago. Talked to a friend from there on the phone last week a few days before all this happened who was on his way home from Kenosha to Lake Geneva. Visiting his grandkids.

The point isn't that he just broke the law by crossing the state line with a firearm, but the motivation to go to the protest itself with a gun to shoot anyone who attacks him.

It's be like me walking into a high crime neighborhood with a firearm, waiting to shoot the first person who threatens me.

In other words, if you're looking for trouble, you can find it, but the law will still prevail over you.
 
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The point isn't that he just broke the law by crossing the state line with a firearm, but the motivation to go to the protest itself with a gun to shoot anyone who attacks him.

It's be like me walking into a high crime neighborhood with a firearm, waiting to shoot the first person who threatens me.

In other words, if you're looking for trouble, you can find it, but the law will still prevail over you.
Well that's an accusation you have no business making. That he crossed state lines with a firearm looking for trouble.
 
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Well that's an accusation you have no business making. That he crossed state lines with a firearm looking for trouble.
It will be very difficult to get an unbiased jury. If he has the money to hire real legal defense they can go through all the Facebook and social media posts and eliminate all those who have already shown bias.
 
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Well that's an accusation you have no business making. That he crossed state lines with a firearm looking for trouble.

Then give us the other possible reasons he crossed the state line and went to the protest armed with a rifle.

I'll be glad to read what you provide
 
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Then give us the other possible reasons he crossed the state line and went to the protest armed with a rifle.

I'll be glad to read what you provide
He didn't bring the rifle with him, so he never crossed state lines with it. He was hired to protect a business, that was his purpose for being there. The night before riots and looting had been off the hook, so businesses took it upon themselves to protect their property.
 
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Then give us the other possible reasons he crossed the state line and went to the protest armed with a rifle.

I'll be glad to read what you provide
Really, you can't think of any other possible reason? Like driving 30 minutes from where he lives to help guard an uncles or brothers business or something like that?
 
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