The Militia Involved In Kenosha

RocksInMyHead said:

ETA: and that's without getting into the fact that he put himself in the position in the first place by travelling to the city and walking around with a weapon illegally.

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As he was unlawfully carrying it’s possible that self defense is off the table as one cannot use that legal defense for acts related to the commission of a crime.

RocksInMyHead said:

Nope. It is technically possible that he has, in fact, completed an EMT program. Or at least a class.

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Yes, but irrelevant, since he was not acting as an EMT in confronting protesters/rioters with an illegally held rifle.

mark46 said:

We have noted the murder. What we have failed to consider is the complicity of the police in allowing vigilantees to work with them.

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This would be true is this was immediately after Reconstruction, but it can't be justified after that. Before Reconstruction, it was known that police forces were purposed with protecting the property of citizens - which included the property known as slaves. The White Flight, Black Codes, Jim Crow and Lynching all made it impossible for someone to realize the police have been complicit in allowing "vigilantes" to work "with them" - because for most all of American existence they shared the common nuisance of the entities they subjugated (but "freed").

So, not all of "us" failed to understand this. That is why (as per history) when everyone is done with the disposables minorities, they will come for the rest of us using the same apologies we used to justify what has already been done to American citizens. The door has already been open because we refuse to see with strategic thinking, or from the perspective that every citizen deserves the same privileges and rights. Instead, we see with ignorance, prejudice or ideology based on the disunity of our nation.

Everyone always wants to "have a conversation" about American degeneracy because the vast majority do not want action to be taken, and the possible loss of privileges we get at the expense of others. We would rather let foreign nations destabilize us than miss out in the fun of an orchestrated debasement of our nation and citizens. At this point, its par for the course what America will allow to happen to its own citizens. What we have justified against our own citizens will come back on us - it is a historic motif.

Let the people who are spiritually susceptible to continue doing what they are doing, because it has no choice but to get worse. This is, after all, a spiritual influence - which is why some people can't help "being who they are".

LostMarbels said:

Bottom line? For an example, my fireworks business carries some $280,000 in product. I do not own any of it. I sell it and pay the retailer for the wholesale. Keep the profit. I am liable in court for that $280,000. These looters could not only completely ruin my life, they could put me out on the streets after I get sued for my home as collateral on my new-found quarter of a million dollar debt. I could literally lose my life on the streets. And they will more than likely court order to garnish my wages. People think this is all fun and games and some magical insurance fairy will make everything better.

But... I did not do it this season for just that reason. Some of these rioters actions are directly threatening to individuals lives. As in food... shelter, and daily necessities needed to remain living. It's not just about money.

But me personally... I will defend myself and my property.

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You are telling the Internet you are willing to kill people on what COULD happen. If you were going to take a life I wish you would be damn sure it will cost you yours if you don’t.

Also, I’m shocked that you don’t carry insurance on $280,000 of product. That’s like not having insurance on your house that you have just bought on a 30 year mortgage.

Pavel Mosko said:

Doubtful. He is posting from France. Is he even a citizen of the US?

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You never know? The Dems probably ship um in from everywhere.

Aldebaran said:

I did a background search of those who were shot. Not exactly an upstanding citizen by any stretch of the imagination. Here's the history of "shooting victim" Anthony Huber:

Count no. Statute Description Severity Disposition
1 941.30(2) 2nd-Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety Felony G Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 939.63(1)(c) Use of a Dangerous Weapon
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
2 940.235(1) Strangulation and Suffocation Felony H Guilty Due to Guilty Plea
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
3 940.30 False Imprisonment Felony H Guilty Due to Guilty Plea
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon
4 940.19(1) Battery Misd. A Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
Modifier: 939.63(1)(a) Use of a Dangerous Weapon
5 947.01(1) Disorderly Conduct Misd. B Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
Modifier: 939.63(1)(a) Use of a Dangerous Weapon
6 947.01(1) Disorderly Conduct Misd. B Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse


And here's the history of Joseph Rosenbaum:
Count no. Statute Description Severity Disposition
1 940.19(1) Battery Misd. A
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
2 947.01(1) Disorderly Conduct Misd. B
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse

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So what? You're saying its okay to kill people if they have a criminal record?

Aldebaran said:

I did a background search of those who were shot. Not exactly an upstanding citizen by any stretch of the imagination. Here's the history of "shooting victim" Anthony Huber:

Count no. Statute Description Severity Disposition
1 941.30(2) 2nd-Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety Felony G Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 939.63(1)(c) Use of a Dangerous Weapon
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
2 940.235(1) Strangulation and Suffocation Felony H Guilty Due to Guilty Plea
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
3 940.30 False Imprisonment Felony H Guilty Due to Guilty Plea
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon
4 940.19(1) Battery Misd. A Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
Modifier: 939.63(1)(a) Use of a Dangerous Weapon
5 947.01(1) Disorderly Conduct Misd. B Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
Modifier: 939.63(1)(a) Use of a Dangerous Weapon
6 947.01(1) Disorderly Conduct Misd. B Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse


And here's the history of Joseph Rosenbaum:
Count no. Statute Description Severity Disposition
1 940.19(1) Battery Misd. A
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
2 947.01(1) Disorderly Conduct Misd. B
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse

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Which one of those charges carries with it the death penalty by vigilante in Wisconsin?

GreatLakes4Ever said:

Which one of those charges carries with it the death penalty by vigilante in Wisconsin?

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After the sentence has been served to boot.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

You are telling the Internet you are willing to kill people on what COULD happen. If you were going to take a life I wish you would be damn sure it will cost you yours if you don’t.

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I said I would defend myself. I do not fight for pride or out of anger. You escalated that all the way up to 12 on a scale set for ten. I am never going to just arbitrarily murder someone. Turn your rhetoric down a little… It's causing too much static.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

Also, I’m shocked that you don’t carry insurance on $280,000 of product. That’s like not having insurance on your house that you have just bought on a 30 year mortgage.

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How? I make $16K a year... what is $280,000 of insurance on 16 tons of 1.4G explosives going for anyways? Mind you, after paying my help Im walking away with maybe 4k after sleeping in a tent for a month.

Argumetum memeus strawmannis, the lowest order of debate.

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