Could the violence in Kenosha cost the Dems WI?

renniks said:

You are a small country with way too many laws. We kinda like our freedoms, that's why we booted the redcoats back to England. My "high powered" rifle has provided me with venison for 30 years or so and I don't have to kill the King's deer illegally to eat, or raise my little finger when I take a sip of tea.

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Yeah, your impression of what England is like is clearly extremely current and accurate..

renniks said:

I disagree. Obviously, police are often using their service weapon to avoid being killed. If they can't do that, cop killings are going to skyrocket. And in fact, crimes already have skyrocketed because of the break down in allowing the police to use the force they need to use lately.

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Which crimes exactly have 'skyrocketed'?

Kentonio said:

Yeah, your impression of what England is like is clearly extremely current and accurate..

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Good point -- keep up to date.

Kentonio said:

Which crimes exactly have 'skyrocketed'?

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Oh, you know the little ones, like homicides and rape.
In NYC:
"Shooting victims were up 81%, and shooting incidents were up 76% from Jan. 1 through Aug. 2, compared with the same period in 2019, according to New York Police Department figures.

The city recorded 237 homicides between Jan. 1 and Aug. 2, a 31% increase from the 181 during the same period in 2019."

In Seattle:
Durkan’s emergency order booting protesters from the six-block cop-free zone makes mention of the “narcotics use and violent crime, including rape, robbery, assault, and increased gang activity” within the CHOP since it first emerged in early June.

June 2 to June 30 saw the 525 percent jump in crime compared to the same period last year."

CHICAGO -- Murders and shootings reported last month in Chicago increased drastically from July 2019, but overall crime in the city decreased, according to data released by Chicago police.

The 105 murders reported in July mark a nearly 139% increase from the 44 reported in July 2019, while the 406 shooting incidents are a 75% increase from the 232 last July, according to figures in a statement from police Saturday.

renniks said:

I disagree. Obviously, police are often using their service weapon to avoid being killed. If they can't do that, cop killings are going to skyrocket. And in fact, crimes already have skyrocketed because of the break down in allowing the police to use the force they need to use lately.

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Yes, it is irrelevant. Perhaps you've forgotten, but the numbers were only brought in because you made a claim about the percentage of officers who draw their weapons over the course of their careers.

Bob Carabbio said:

SO - you're telling me that you've NEVER worked with a group of other people???!!!

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That does not answer my question. Upon what are you basing your "probably"?

Belk said:

That does not answer my question. Upon what are you basing your "probably"?

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Actually it does. over the years, I've worked with many groups of functionally related people (As a Chief Engineer), and I pretty much know who to trust, who's capable, who to avoid, who's nothing but talk, and who's gonna be TROUBLE. goes with the territory.

Bob Carabbio said:

Actually it does. over the years, I've worked with many groups of functionally related people (As a Chief Engineer), and I pretty much know who to trust, who's capable, who to avoid, who's nothing but talk, and who's gonna be TROUBLE. goes with the territory.

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Thank you for the explanation. How does that translate into his squad probably knowing he was a "loose" cannon? How have you determined he was a "loose" cannon? This seems like information that is not established.

Basil the Great said:

It seems to me that if the violence in Kenosha continues, that Biden could lose support among suburban women and lose WI. What think all of you?

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Pretty sure it already cost them America.

STATEMENT ONE
If we elect Biden, then there will be rioting in the streets and the people will be in danger.

STATEMENT TWO
Trump has been in power for 4 years, and the problem is much worse than 4 years ago.
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Why should anyone believe that it would be better under Trump in the future.

ZNP said:

Agreed, if everything settles down to peaceful protests over the next two months any potential benefit should evaporate. On the other hand if protestors think they need AR-15s to keep them safe this could escalate like wildfire.

As long as the pandemic, fires in California, and other natural disasters all stop for the next two months and everyone gets their job back and the economy bounces back there should be no problem with the protests settling down and becoming peaceful.

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Belk said:

Thank you for the explanation. How does that translate into his squad probably knowing he was a "loose" cannon? How have you determined he was a "loose" cannon? This seems like information that is not established.

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By his actions and conversation. the fellow that murdered Floyd had a "history" already.

mark46 said:

STATEMENT ONE
If we elect Biden, then there will be rioting in the streets and the people will be in danger.

STATEMENT TWO
Trump has been in power for 4 years, and the problem is much worse than 4 years ago.
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Why should anyone believe that it would be better under Trump in the future.

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If TRUMP is elected, the poor disappointed Democratic thugs will probably put on a destructive show that'll set records for YEARS to come. The "SWAMP" doesn't reliquish it's grip peacefully.

Bob Carabbio said:

If TRUMP is elected, the poor disappointed Democratic thugs will probably put on a destructive show that'll set records for YEARS to come. The "SWAMP" doesn't reliquish it's grip peacefully.

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And this is probably just a taste of things to come....Police arrest 8 during DC protests, including 5 for allegedly assaulting officers
And there are others that are simply too obscene to link to....

JohnDB said:

AKA he had warrants out for his arrest.

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Did the warrant say
"Wanted, Dead or Alive"

JohnDB said:

How is this guy a hero or martyr?

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Quit with the strawman please. Noone is claiming his is a hero.

stevil said:

Quit with the strawman please. Noone is claiming his is a hero.

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Then why the riots AFTER his arrest and gunshot wounds?

If he was a hero I could see it...
If he was innocent I could see it...

renniks said:

Oh, good grief. I give up. He was going for the knife, the knife was in the car, he was going to use it, but still, the officer should have just let it happen. What happened to common sense?

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Instead of pointing a gun to the back of his head and walking with him around the car and watching him bend down into the car, maybe the closest cop should have put away his gun and arrested they guy, tackled him, grabbed him and put him to the ground.

It seems more like a trap where the cop just follows him, pointing a gun, waiting for him to get close to a weapon.

If the guy was going for a knife, well, the cop had a gun. He could have stepped back a bit and put some distance between the guy and himself. The cop with the gun is safe at a distance from the guy with the knife.
But we will never know if the guy was going for a knife or not. The coward cop with the gun shot him 7 times before the guy had any opportunity to be a threat to anyone. It is classified as murder, and yet another case of an unarmed black person being brutalised and murdered by the police.

ZNP said:

I heard him say he wanted to reallocate funds. Now that needs clarification. What funds? What does he want to take funds away from and what does he want to direct those funds to? Since police departments are local why would the President be telling them how to handle their budgets?

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I would have thought that if you think it is an issue for you that you would have put some effort into finding out what the stance is of both candidates.
The question
"How will the president deal with the racial tension brought about by incidents of police brutality and murder of unarmed black americans?"

This is Biden's stance
PolitiFact - No, Joe Biden isn’t 'on board with defunding police'
On June 9, 2020, he told "CBS Evening News" host Norah O’Donnell that he supports "conditioning federal aid to police, based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness."

Conditioning Federal aid, doesn't sound like reallocating funds or telling police how to handle their own budgets.

"While I do not believe federal dollars should go to police departments violating people’s rights or turning to violence as the first resort, I do not support defunding police," he wrote. "The better answer is to give police departments the resources they need to implement meaningful reforms, and to condition other federal dollars on completing those reforms."

He then goes on to explain a $300 million plan to reinvigorate community policing in America, which would encourage relationship building between police officers and community members.

So it seems, that instead of defunding, Biden is proposing giving the police an additional $300 million dollars.

Biden’s campaign website says the $300 million would be used to set up grants that departments across the country could apply for to hire more officers.

So it seems Biden wants to give the police more funds, wants there to be more police, and wants them to address these issues head on, through reforms.

So why is it that Trump supporters insist that Biden is for defunding the police?
Is it because they believe what Trump says when he lies and misrepresents Biden's position?
Is it because Foxnews and other far right wing media parrot these lies and misrepresentations?

Now are you going to continue these lies but continuing to argue on forums that Biden is for defunding the police?

BTW what is Trump going to do about quelling the tension brought about by police brutality on black americans? Other than support police with riot gear and tear gas, what is he going to do that helps the black americans feel that the future looks brighter?

stevil said:

I would have thought that if you think it is an issue for you that you would have put some effort into finding out what the stance is of both candidates.

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If you had the slightest concern for what was an issue for me you would have asked.

ZNP said:

If you had the slightest concern for what was an issue for me you would have asked.

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I didn't need to ask, as you have gone to the time and effort of making a post in a public forum, stating an untruth about Biden reallocating Police funds.

Now that you have read my post above, are you clear on Biden's position?
Do you accept that he isn't supportive of defunding the police?
Do you accept that Biden is suggesting to give $300 million additional federal funds to the police?
Do you accept that Biden is suggesting recruitment of additional police?